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 11 
 on: Dec 15, 2014 at 20:19 
Started by aj_law - Last post by Preacherman0
Secondary is still awful, as Gene Collier continues to point out in his own eloquent way. But I get this feeling that the defense is a step away from being pretty damn good. Secondary looks better without Ike. They've made some big plays and, at times, look competent.

Still need massive upgrade at safety. But Gay, Blake, McCain look decent and getting better. Front line has made a tone of progress. Moats is no replacement for Silverback, but he's an upgrade over Jones and can hold his own until a replacement can be found. Williams, Spence, Shazier, Timmons look solid in the middle.

The Dline has a long way to go and The Beard will be missed--sorely--for the rest of the year (which may well be his last). But it seems like his influence has really taken hold on this group, as they seem to be playing progressively better. Heyward is a pleasant surprise to me.

Plus, our definition of good defense may need to adjust. We're not the Seahawks and I doubt we'll see many such defenses every again, outside of some insanely lucky drafts. Holding a team to 20 points and high 300s in yardage may be the new standard, particularly if they can hang on to the Killer Bs for a while.

If the D can continue to gel over the next two weeks? Who the heck knows? As we've seen, if you can make the tournament, anything could happen. So raise a glass to 2005 II. Hey, we can always hope...and at least we have a shot at some meaningful football in Jan.

 12 
 on: Dec 15, 2014 at 20:06 
Started by Preacherman0 - Last post by Preacherman0
Jake Plummer is ahead of YA Tittle in passer rating?

Crazy stats, indeed. I'd chalk that up to the different eras but he's the oldest guy in the group.

 13 
 on: Dec 15, 2014 at 15:59 
Started by msdmnr2002 - Last post by Finnegans Wake
Yeah, it's been up a few weeks.  We've had some things break our way again lately, Chargers and Fins losing. 

Chiefs have the F7 to rattle Ben.  Not much deep passing, but Jamaal Charles, and our run D is on a milk carton.

Steelers favored 3.5 seems about right.   Good time to start stacking wins, however imperfect they may be.

 14 
 on: Dec 15, 2014 at 15:33 
Started by aj_law - Last post by Merman1983
I remember my dad saying he saw Elway's first game, which was a three rivers.  Stat like was something like 1-14 for 13 yards and a pick or two.

 15 
 on: Dec 15, 2014 at 15:25 
Started by aj_law - Last post by msdmnr2002
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Manning threw 3 picks in his first game and had a passer rating of 58.6.  For his first four games, he threw 3TDs/11INTs with a passer rating that hovered around 50 and a completion percentage somewhere in the mid 50s.

Ergo, Manziel is the second coming of Peyton Manning.

I said somebody good. Manning-what he done?

Nice pickup AJ.


 16 
 on: Dec 15, 2014 at 15:18 
Started by aj_law - Last post by aj_law
Not sure how much of an indicator this is on JF. I know there are plenty of QB who looked great in game 1 only to slide into mediocrity/fall on their face later. Any good QBs get completely overwhelmed week 1 and come back to have a good career?

Manning threw 3 picks in his first game and had a passer rating of 58.6.  For his first four games, he threw 3TDs/11INTs with a passer rating that hovered around 50 and a completion percentage somewhere in the mid 50s.

Ergo, Manziel is the second coming of Peyton Manning.

 17 
 on: Dec 15, 2014 at 15:02 
Started by msdmnr2002 - Last post by Merman1983
ESPN's got their playoff machine up - or maybe it's been there for weeks and I just noticed. Anyhow, there is a scenario where Cincy and Pittsburgh are locked up at 4 and 5 and the game is simply to figure out where the rematch will be played.

Probably won't happen, but if it does, how hard do you play to win home field vs. resting players? I don't think the idea of not revealing anything matters, since you just played them a few weeks ago and there's a season's worth of tape out there. So to me the question is about health.

If that happens, I think you have to go for the home game.  Past home playoff game failures be damned, the players would rather play at home, and the coaches would rather coach at home.

Plus you know that Tomlin wouldn't give up a regular season game.  Didn't he play Ben in a late season game that didn't matter (I want to say in 2008) and Ben actually sustained a concussion (but he played the first playoff game against San Diego)? Actually found it, see below:

Although guaranteed the second seed in the AFC Tomlin stated, "It is a big week for us."[116] Willie Parker's 34-yard touchdown run in the second quarter was the Steelers longest run of the season.[119] With less than two minutes left in the first half, Ben Roethlisberger was hit by D'Qwell Jackson and Willie McGinist and had to be immobilized and carried off the field after suffering from a concussion.[192] Byron Leftwich replaced Roethlisberger and scored the Steelers second touchdown of the game to give the Steelers a 14–0 lead at halftime.[193][194]




 18 
 on: Dec 15, 2014 at 14:36 
Started by msdmnr2002 - Last post by msdmnr2002
ESPN's got their playoff machine up - or maybe it's been there for weeks and I just noticed. Anyhow, there is a scenario where Cincy and Pittsburgh are locked up at 4 and 5 and the game is simply to figure out where the rematch will be played.

Probably won't happen, but if it does, how hard do you play to win home field vs. resting players? I don't think the idea of not revealing anything matters, since you just played them a few weeks ago and there's a season's worth of tape out there. So to me the question is about health.

 19 
 on: Dec 15, 2014 at 14:30 
Started by aj_law - Last post by msdmnr2002
I think Hoyer is done in Cleveland regardless. At least if I were Hoyer, no way I go back into that cesspool unless I have no other offers - including Arena League and Canada.

Which means this move has committed the Browns to starting Manziel through next season. Hoyer will be out, no decent FA QB will want to come, and they can't draft anyone else yet.

Not sure how much of an indicator this is on JF. I know there are plenty of QB who looked great in game 1 only to slide into mediocrity/fall on their face later. Any good QBs get completely overwhelmed week 1 and come back to have a good career?

 20 
 on: Dec 15, 2014 at 13:06 
Started by Preacherman0 - Last post by Finnegans Wake
Stats are indeed funny.  Collins may have been a one-dimensional QB and a racist boozwank, but he's also 12th on the all-time yardage list, ahead of the entire class of 2004, ahead of Joe fucking Montana, FFS.


ank

Player  (age), + - HOFer, Bold - Active

Yds

Years

Teams


1. Brett Favre  71,838  1991-2010  4TM
2. Peyton Manning  (38) 69,107  1998-2014  2TM
3. Dan Marino+  61,361  1983-1999  mia
4. Drew Brees  (35) 55,064  2001-2014  2TM
5. Tom Brady  (37) 52,996  2000-2014  nwe
6. John Elway+  51,475  1983-1998  den
7. Warren Moon+  49,325  1984-2000  4TM
8. Fran Tarkenton+  47,003  1961-1978  2TM
9. Vinny Testaverde  46,233  1987-2007  7TM
10. Drew Bledsoe  44,611  1993-2006  3TM
11. Dan Fouts+  43,040  1973-1987  sdg
12. Kerry Collins  40,922  1995-2011  6TM
13. Joe Montana+  40,551  1979-1994  2TM
14. Johnny Unitas+  40,239  1956-1973  2TM
15. Eli Manning  (33) 38,935  2004-2014  nyg
16. Ben Roethlisberger  (32) 38,520  2004-2014  pit
17. Dave Krieg  38,147  1980-1998  6TM
18. Boomer Esiason  37,920  1984-1997  3TM
19. Donovan McNabb  37,276  1999-2011  3TM
20. Philip Rivers  (33) 36,008  2004-2014  sdg

Then again, passer rating...

110. Jake Plummer  74.6  1997-2006  2TM
111. Y.A. Tittle+  74.3  1948-1964  3TM
 Roman Gabriel  74.3  1962-1977  2TM
113. Steve DeBerg  74.2  1978-1998  6TM
 Gus Frerotte  74.2  1994-2008  7TM
115. Earl Morrall  74.1  1956-1976  6TM
116. Kerry Collins  73.8  1995-2011  6TM
117. Craig Morton  73.5  1965-1982  3TM
 Frankie Albert  73.5  1946-1952  sfo
119. Rodney Peete  73.3  1989-2004  6TM
120. Mark Sanchez  (28) 73.1  2009-2014  2TM

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