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« on: Apr 25, 2007 at 10:49 »

get him out of here!
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« Reply #1 on: Apr 25, 2007 at 11:01 »

I find it odd the amount of venom that is going Faneca's way.  

He's yet to hold out of anything mandatory, unlike Hines Ward in 2005.  

Assume some of it is based on previous things Faneca has said...wanting Grimm and not liking the release of Joey Porter, via a private conversation with Hines Ward...which was made public by Ward to the media.

The rest of it, I don't know.  Maybe a dislike for guys who don't follow the program.  

I've got no problem trading Faneca.  He's in the last year of his contract and I can't see 1) the team signing him to a higher deal than the one Leonard Davis and Eric Steinbach received and 2) Faneca wanting to stay here.  It's a regime change...started with the HC, then the assistants, and has already involved one big name player.   Who is next?  

Faneca wants to get his big C$3 ASAP and most likely wants to be around coaching staff and players who he knows well.  It is stability....a guy just signing his C$3 won't get the ax for the first 2-3 years of the contract, assuming the SB/guaranteed money is right.  Which if he's shooting for higher than Davis and Steinbach, it will be.  

Faneca is trying to secure his long-term financial goals.  It probably won't be here but until he misses a mandatory event, it seems odd to wish him bon voyage so quickly.

My answer would be "no," that I do not expect him to be traded.  
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« Reply #2 on: Apr 25, 2007 at 11:50 »

I don't think it is about "wanting him gone" as much as it is about not wanting to give him another big contract. If I was confident he would come in and play his ass off for his final year I would not be looking to trade him. The fact is, nothing he has done, or doing, shows me that he will do that.

In my opinion there are only two options here, give him the big contract or move him. With Troy ready to break the bank, the steelers can't throw top money at an aging guard who's level of play is on the decline.

Faneca will be moved on Saturday.
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« Reply #3 on: Apr 25, 2007 at 12:28 »

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I don't think it is about "wanting him gone" as much as it is about not wanting to give him another big contract.

It looks like the first post disagrees.  

But I don't assume that most feel it's that simple.

Still, if you trade every guy who wants a big contract, just 'cause he wants a big contract, you're not going to have much of a team.  

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If I was confident he would come in and play his ass off for his final year I would not be looking to trade him. The fact is, nothing he has done, or doing, shows me that he will do that.

How much can he have done by now?  He's missed two voluntary mini camps?  Looking across the kffl.com board, it looks like quite a few guys from other teams have missed voluntary activities this off-season.  

Nothing that has occurred says to me that Faneca won't come in and play his ass off, or at least as well as a 30+ LG can.  

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In my opinion there are only two options here, give him the big contract or move him.

There is a third option...he plays in 2007 and leaves.  

It's not unheard of in Steeler land.  

Burress did just that.  Chris Hope did just that.  

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With Troy ready to break the bank, the steelers can't throw top money at an aging guard who's level of play is on the decline.

I agree that the Steelers shouldn't extend Faneca.  But I don't believe the issue is boxed into two choices.
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« Reply #4 on: Apr 25, 2007 at 12:40 »

It would not surprise me to see Alan Faneca dealt before Saturday. It also wouldn't surprise me to see him remain with the team and hold out in training camp. Either way, I don't expect him to play for the Steelers in 2008. They aren't going to pay him Steinbach-Huthinson money and they shouldn't based on his age and the fact the Steelers have bigger fish to fry in-house within the next two seasons (Ben and Troy).

It just seems to me that Faneca is no longer happy in Pittsburgh. He's spoken out against everything short of a lack of Sushi joints in Crafton. And I find it just a little bit odd that he came to Pittsburgh to meet with Tomlin before mini-camp......and then left again. At least according to the reports.

If the Steelers know he's going to be gone after this season and they feel that he's no longer happy here, they should try to move him before Saturday afternoon. I'd rather lose him a year early for a second rounder than a year later for a late fourth or fifth rounder.






 
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« Reply #5 on: Apr 25, 2007 at 12:54 »

I think he stays and plays.  Who knows after that?  I'm sure they'd extend him for 3-4 years, but not at the money he wants - obviously not one of those 7/49 deals we've seen.  But what about 4/21 and a 7 bonus?  Would he really spit on $7 million?  Structure it as a 3 year deal and let's roll.

After that, he could still get another nice contract with some crap team.  Hell, Grimmy might even be a head coach by then ...


 
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« Reply #6 on: Apr 25, 2007 at 12:58 »

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I'd rather lose him a year early for a second rounder than a year later for a late fourth or fifth rounder.


i would expect at least a 3rd round compensation for Faneca if he leaves via FA after 2007.  I thought the compensation selections were based upon playing time and value to a team dollar wise.  faneca would start every game unless injured and be on the field for almost every offensive possession for his new team.  Plus he was a first rounder, so the choice IMO would be between a 2nd and 3rd rounder this year or a 3rd rounder in the 2009 draft.
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« Reply #7 on: Apr 25, 2007 at 13:09 »

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How much can he have done by now?


Yes, he has missed two voluntary mini camps along with running his mouth about personnel moves (hiring of Tomlin). He has no business going public about who he wanted to be head coach, all that does is cause descension in the ranks. It was not just a one time thing either, which we could have chalked up to emotions.

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There is a third option...he plays in 2007 and leaves

This is obviously an option but I just don't see it being one in this case. I should have picked my words better to show that this is my opinion. I think we agree in principle but have two different views of the severity of tthe situation.

I feel that, unless blown away, Faneca does not even want to sign here. I also feel that he does not want to risk playing on the last year of his contract, hence the stubborness in hopes of joing the Cards. Again, this is the way I am viewing it and I could definitely be way off base.
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« Reply #8 on: Apr 25, 2007 at 13:20 »

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I feel that, unless blown away, Faneca does not even want to sign here. I also feel that he does not want to risk playing on the last year of his contract, hence the stubborness in hopes of joing the Cards. Again, this is the way I am viewing it and I could definitely be way off base.
thats alot to assume if you asked me.  All we know about faneca is that he wanted Russ Grimm as the steelers HC and he noshowed for the offseason workouts and minicamp so far.  

i havent seen one printed word from him other than the fact he's in the Russ Grimm Business.  The oly ones expressing faneca's "interests" are those thinking up stuff around the NFL campfires.  mere speculation on the writers part in this one so far.

oh and his agent had no comment other to say 'talk to errrrm... ROONEY!'

he's pulling a Bueller...he hasnt even been spotted at 31 flavors either.  
 
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« Reply #9 on: Apr 25, 2007 at 13:38 »

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he's pulling a Bueller...he hasnt even been spotted at 31 flavors either.

Wrong, he was spotted at the Steelers training facility right before the last mini camp but then left before practice started. That, to me, shows very little respect to Tomlin and his staff. If you are going to stay away....then stay away!


 
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Wrong, he was spotted at the Steelers training facility right before the last mini camp but then left before practice started. That, to me, shows very little respect to Tomlin and his staff. If you are going to stay away....then stay away!
he probably forgot his lucky hat...he cant travel without it.
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« Reply #11 on: Apr 25, 2007 at 13:48 »

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he probably forgot his lucky hat...he cant travel without it.

Or he forgot his Lucky Tampons...he can't be a bitch without them.

 
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« Reply #12 on: Apr 25, 2007 at 13:52 »

To clarify, I have no problem with them trading Faneca.  I assume if a deal goes down, it won't be him for a 2nd rounder, straight up.  Rather something like (not looking at value charts at the moment) AZ's 2nd round pick and one of our Day Two picks for Faneca and one of our Day Two picks.  

I'm not against trading Faneca.  

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He has no business going public about who he wanted to be head coach, all that does is cause descension in the ranks.

He said he wanted Grimm as HC.  

Beyond wanting to create a story, really nothing of value there.  

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It was not just a one time thing either, which we could have chalked up to emotions.

Where else and how often?

Other than the media jumping on it and asking him again and again, to which I would expect his honest answer, I haven't come across repeat performances.

But I've been busy and may have missed a few quips from Faneca.  

But that gets to my point...that it does seem that  all of a sudden, Faneca is the villain.  Almost overnight.  Last year, at this time, he was a fan favorite.  Now, enemy #1.  

So while I understand that the media has positioned Faneca as posturing for a new contract, 1) it isn't new and isn't exclusive to Faneca and 2) seems to me that he hasn't been egregious in anything he's done since Tomlin's hiring.  Sure, you'd like him to kiss Tomlin's ass as Ben has and say Tomlin was his first choice.  But things don't always work out that way.  As in life, players aren't perfect.  

It would have been pleasant to for Faneca to keep his comments to himself but it's not a requirement by the team and should not be by the fans.  

I think trading Faneca is reasonable, as from what I've read in the media, they (in the media) believe he is unhappy with his contract.  Most veterans who are entering their final year are this way, so I have little doubt Faneca is unhappy that he hasn't received an extension.  

I think it's unfortunate that he's going out as a bad guy.  
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« Reply #13 on: Apr 25, 2007 at 14:04 »

I am a big fan of Faneca, but if we can't sign him and he does not want to be here lets get all we can for him.
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« Reply #14 on: Apr 25, 2007 at 14:17 »

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it isn't new and isn't exclusive to Faneca

It should be exclusive to players coming off a season in which they performed.

I can't remember exactly who it was but I believe Clayton was saying that it is no secret that Faneca is still upset about Grimm not getting the job. I know that this does not mean much but where there is smoke there is usually fire.  
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i would expect at least a 3rd round compensation for Faneca if he leaves via FA after 2007.  I thought the compensation selections were based upon playing time and value to a team dollar wise.  faneca would start every game unless injured and be on the field for almost every offensive possession for his new team.  Plus he was a first rounder, so the choice IMO would be between a 2nd and 3rd rounder this year or a 3rd rounder in the 2009 draft.
This is the really good point.  Even if Faneca is guaranteed going to go after 2007 the compensatory pick is roughly what we want in a trade now.  I would rather keep Faneca and see what happens over the next few months (and at worst get a 3rd in the 08 draft) then trade Faneca now.
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and at worst get a 3rd in the 08 draft) then trade Faneca now.

A 3rd rounder in 08 would be the best we could get if he left as a free agent. And those very rarely get given out, as far as I can recall.
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i believe we wouldnt receive any compensation selection for Faneca until the 2009 draft.  he would have to play through the 2008 season with another team before we get compensated.

we are getting the compensation for Randel El in this years draft after he put in a year of play time with the skins.
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I would rather keep Faneca and see what happens over the next few months (and at worst get a 3rd in the 08 draft) then trade Faneca now.

At worst a 3rd rounder? there were only four 3rd round comp picks that were given out this year. does anyone know who they were for?

I think a more accurate statement would be 3rd rounder at best.
 
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At worst a 3rd rounder? there were only four 3rd round comp picks that were given out this year. does anyone know who they were for?

I think a more accurate statement would be 3rd rounder at best.
This years 3rd Round comps, their salaries , & this year's performance.  I'm thinkin' Faneca's next contract would be at least the $5.6M per year that Woodson managed.  I'd be surprised if (pending the details) the Steelers didn't get a 3rd round comp.

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THIRD ROUND
San Diego (Drew Brees, $10.0 million, 16 Games Played/16 Games Started, Pro Bowl)
San Francisco (Julian Peterson , $7.714 million, 16/16, Pro Bowl)
Indianapolis (Edgerrin James, $7.5 million, 16/16)
Oakland (Charles Woodson, $5.576 million, 16/16)
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San Diego (Drew Brees, $10.0 million, 16 Games Played/16 Games Started, Pro Bowl)
San Francisco (Julian Peterson , $7.714 million, 16/16, Pro Bowl)
Indianapolis (Edgerrin James, $7.5 million, 16/16)
Oakland (Charles Woodson, $5.576 million, 16/16)

If Faneca continues to decline in 2007, then I would not put him the class of those guys above. In fact, after last year , I am not sure I would put them in the same class as those guys above.
 
 
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« Reply #21 on: Apr 25, 2007 at 15:36 »

The player's "class" has little to do with it.  It's all about the Benjamins.  Edge is a prime example.  His production fell off a little this year, yet losing him garnered the Colts a 3rd round comp.  Why?... 'cause he got paid $7.5M per season under his new contract.  Compensatory picks follow the money, not production.  If Faneca were to leave after this season, & score dollars like the top OG's recently, I'm pretty confident there would be a high comp pick in the works.
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« Reply #22 on: Apr 25, 2007 at 15:42 »

I understand now. I was not aware it was all about the cash.

Thanks for the knowledge!
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« Reply #23 on: Apr 25, 2007 at 16:26 »

I don't see a deal going down.  

AZ would give up a high 2nd rounder for a guy in the last year or his contract, whom they could get, sans the draft pick, in 2008?

Sounds like NHL trade talk to me.  

Doesn't make sense.
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I don't see a deal going down.  

AZ would give up a high 2nd rounder for a guy in the last year or his contract, whom they could get, sans the draft pick, in 2008?

Sounds like NHL trade talk to me.  

Doesn't make sense.
Two things.  The Cards would get him now, as opposed to 2008.  For a team that's been talked about as having a decent D and tons of offensive firepower and is poised to break into the postseason... Yeah, well, until that OL gets fixed, you can rush Edge James 1000 times and he ain't goin' anywhere, not to mention Matty Leinart might be all busted the hell up by next year.

So, fixing the line is a bit of a priority.

Also, not sure what the 2008 cap outlook for various teams are, but I suspect the Cards are in good shape.  As are about 2/3 of the teams in the league.  Who says the Cards win a bidding war?  If they have their man in mind, they might not want to settle for second best in a 2008 FA bid-off.  

Not saying a trade will go down, just sying it's not out of left field from the Cards' perspective.

Hell, if they want to give up a 2007 R2 + R3 and a 2008 R2, I'll throw Max Starks in to the deal gratis.
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Two things. The Cards would get him now, as opposed to 2008. For a team that's been talked about as having a decent D and tons of offensive firepower and is poised to break into the postseason... Yeah, well, until that OL gets fixed, you can rush Edge James 1000 times and he ain't goin' anywhere, not to mention Matty Leinart might be all busted the hell up by next year.

So, fixing the line is a bit of a priority

Which certainly can be fixed by taking Blaylock, Kalil (played guard in the Senior Bowl I believe), or Sears with their 2nd round pick.  One of those guys will be available, will be cheaper than Faneca (now and 2008), and have a longer shelf-life.  

There is no disagreement that the Cards' OL is bad.  They lost their best (that's a relative term) OL in Leonard Davis.  They brought in one or two guys (Mike Gandy is one).  They still need help...a lot of it.  

I think they're in a position to improve the line via the draft.  

IMO, the Cards hold all of the cards.  

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Also, not sure what the 2008 cap outlook for various teams are, but I suspect the Cards are in good shape. As are about 2/3 of the teams in the league. Who says the Cards win a bidding war? If they have their man in mind, they might not want to settle for second best in a 2008 FA bid-off.

Could be.  

But there is a very distinct, publicly acknowledged link between Faneca and the new coaching staff in AZ.  

So for AZ to be a top choice for Faneca in 2008, once he's left as a FA....it's not the normal scenario where it's a random NFL star who just wants to get paid.  

Faneca is irked about two things, from what I've read in the papers....the shakeup in Pittsburgh and money.  

If the Cards are okay cap-wise, I think the coaching connection wins out...rather easily.  

So I don't see AZ as feeling pressure to get Faneca now or never.  

Also would expect Faneca to draw interest from a Cowher-led team, if that happens.  

Agree that it's feasible for AZ to trade for Faneca...but the way I see it, they are positioned very well in the draft to get very good OL help through the first two rounds.
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« Reply #26 on: Apr 26, 2007 at 09:45 »

No one can doubt that Alan Faneca's isn't the best LG in the NFL. I don't care about his age, his production on the field is still amazing...and it clearly warrants top $$$. But, at some point...Alan has to realize he's a leader in the locker-room/in the trenches, so you buckle up that KEVLAR and go practice with your team, giving your new head coach confidence in team unity. Sure, you want paid...I don't blame you, but you have to realize your wearing a Steeler uniform and how the Rooney's "do-business". Come on...

He's being more of a pain that would he should be, period.

I'd like for him to stay...but for the hassle, future salary cap restrictions, we deal him. Sorry Alan, part of the biz.

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Hell, if they want to give up a 2007 R2 + R3 and a 2008 R2, I'll throw Max Starks in to the deal gratis.

That...would be beautiful. And dropping out of that #15 spot for more picks in the process!?!? Ahhh...think of the draft pick possibilities!  
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