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« on: Aug 19, 2007 at 11:30 »

Are we positive that Willie Reid is a "lock" to make the roster? I for one have not been real impressed with his punt or KO returns. I have yet to see him make one man miss, and it's a near-certainty that he goes down on first contact.

I understand he can fly, and has potential. But I just wanted to get everyone else's take on if they still feel he is an absolute "lock" to make this team.
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« Reply #1 on: Aug 19, 2007 at 11:36 »

Ya i believe he is a lock just because he has been taking mostly all the punts at practice.. I understand Cedric has been out there but he's just a security back up..He has a pretty good camp and as a receiver he is a shifty guy who's still a lil raw..

He might not be lined up in shotgun too much but he is a gurantee atleast for punts.. Maybe his kick return job is still up in the air..but he def has a big edge of Colcough
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« Reply #2 on: Aug 19, 2007 at 14:46 »

Not if another team cuts someone who can replace him on the return job. He is far from a lock
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« Reply #3 on: Aug 19, 2007 at 20:46 »

Reid has not impressed me at all, but I want to see some more of him in the next 2 preseason games before I say if think he should be cut. He needs to break a few tackles and not go down on first contact when he's returning.  
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« Reply #4 on: Aug 20, 2007 at 08:07 »

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Reid has not impressed me at all, but I want to see some more of him in the next 2 preseason games before I say if think he should be cut. He needs to break a few tackles and not go down on first contact when he's returning.
Disagree completely.  I find there's a lot of engative commentary on Reid, which I think stems from his having missed a year to injury, and one preseason game where he muffed a kick.  That seems to be coloring people's expectations wildly.

Since the HOF game, I've seen a guy who's done everything that one would expect from a slash-type player -- field kicks, catch the ball, block, rush -- and the only thing we haven't seen is Reid break off a long return.  OK, well.  How much coverage cushion is he getting on the returns so far?  From what I've seen, guys are pretty much on him right away.  The question isn't whether he should be "breaking tackles," but rather whether he can reasonably be expected to elude coverage units in his face.  

I do consider Reid's chances to be very good.  It was also good to see Coke have a nice return, get his confidence back so that he can be a reserve returner.  Even though Ced and Coke had some better returns in these PS games, I still think Reid's much better overall.  He was just killing at camp, and Tomlin and Ligashesky are seeing a lot more of Reid than we are.
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« Reply #5 on: Aug 20, 2007 at 08:26 »

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The question isn't whether he should be "breaking tackles," but rather whether he can reasonably be expected to elude coverage units in his face.  
 

 That's just it.  I don't see him being able to do that at this level.  Yeah, he might've been All World Returner for the Semenholes, but IMO, he has yet to show that he can hack it in the bigs.

I know I'm in the minority and it'll probably give Y (2 to tha double D) Joyce a coronary, but my opinions on Reid haven't changed.

Personally, I think he's a bubble guy, at best.  While he might have more potential than a guy like...Wilson, let's say, I don't see him ever getting any time as anything other than a PR.  And, that's saying a lot coming from me because it was only a few short months ago when I thought Wilson was a no brainer cut.  I gotta give the guy a little credit though because he's showed something during the preseason and at the very least, has earned a roster spot.

If it were up to me, I would only keep Reid if they're going to keep six WRs.  If they were just going to go with five, it would be Ward, Holmes, Wilson, Washington and Young.  IMO, he's somewhat fortunate that they're a little thin, experience-wise, at WR or he'd have no shot to make the team.  If they would've gone out and signed a guy like Tim Dwight during the offseason, he'd have "cut" and "practice squad" written all over him.
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« Reply #6 on: Aug 20, 2007 at 08:48 »

We'll have to agree to disagree on Reid.  I don't think any returner can be expected to miracle his arse out of coverage that's basically got him blanketed, not even THEE Devin Hester.  And I see Reid as a poor man's Hester on KR/PR, and probably a bit better as a pure WR.  I'll say that with Reid's versatility and upside, he's almost an ARE-Hester cross.  I think he's gonna have a few WOW plays this year.
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« Reply #7 on: Aug 20, 2007 at 10:16 »

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We'll have to agree to disagree on Reid.  I don't think any returner can be expected to miracle his arse out of coverage that's basically got him blanketed, not even THEE Devin Hester.  And I see Reid as a poor man's Hester on KR/PR, and probably a bit better as a pure WR.  I'll say that with Reid's versatility and upside, he's almost an ARE-Hester cross.  I think he's gonna have a few WOW plays this year.
I agree with the "WOW" assesment.

Unfortunatly I fear the "wows" may be negitive.

Like WOW how do you tackled by the first guy who touches you every single return! Or WOW could you please hold onto the ball!

Or something along those lines. I don't think he is a "poor man's" Devin Hester, maybe a "homeless man's" Devin Hester.
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« Reply #8 on: Aug 21, 2007 at 08:49 »

Reid hasn't exactly shown a proclivity for fumbling.  That's just asinine.  And even though Ced and even Coke looked good in their returns, if you put them in the SAME EXACT spot as 15 was in for his returns, they'd have gotten nada too.  The setup was just poor.  

Really not understanding the rabid anti-Reid stuff.
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« Reply #9 on: Aug 21, 2007 at 10:26 »

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Really not understanding the rabid anti-Reid stuff.
I think it is a prejudice against having too many players named "Willie" on the team. That many "Willie's" are gonna make us homersexual, or something!


And I guess it's a durn good thing that William Gay doesn't go by "Willie."
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« Reply #10 on: Aug 21, 2007 at 16:48 »

I just think there is too much upside to give up on him already, regardless of what happens here in the pre-season. I would rather err on the side of hanging on to him than on some other team picking him up and finding out that way that we made a mistake.

I don't like the idea of Colclough returning punts. His technique looked awful last year (hands over his head like he was going to set up a volleyball).

 
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« Reply #11 on: Aug 21, 2007 at 17:35 »

I know the guy is a return specialist, but it looks like he could make the team soley on his WR skeels.  And Devon Hester doesn't run em all back for TDs, he has his 3 yard returns and fair catches just like all the rest.

Reid is a lock.
 
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« Reply #12 on: Aug 21, 2007 at 19:13 »

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Like WOW how do you tackled by the first guy who touches you every single return! Or WOW could you please hold onto the ball!

People were saying the same thing about Randle El when he was first getting into the NFL game. For real. I was in the stands for a lot of it but it happened on here, too.

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I know I'm in the minority and it'll probably give Y (2 to tha double D) Joyce a coronary, but my opinions on Reid haven't changed.

You mean you haven't changed your opinion from last weekend?!? Not shocking.

Also I don't get too worked up about things like that. Not like the old jousting pole era. I get pissed off when people (mostly at the games) act like the team owes them something and whines like fuckin babies at every wrong turn. "This team aint never gonna be nothin' I don't think" Oh well. Take your pessimism and quadruple negatives out of my way on the waiting list.

The one thing that has me very confused and legitimately upset regarding an ex-Nole is that Tomlin is supposedly playing Deshea and Ike as his corners and leaving B-Mac on the bench....but I won't get into a rant and destroy the thread.

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I do consider Reid's chances to be very good. He was just killing at camp

I agree he's got to make the team. I raved about his camp performance last year (and Walter Young's ironically...I'll have to find it...) and Roethlisberger's gone out of his way to praise FWR on several occassions that I've heard him interviewed.

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And I guess it's a durn good thing that William Gay doesn't go by "Willie."

Yeah but he still goes by Gay. I do see what you mean though. Thank God we've got our Head 'RC Coach' going by "Coach Tomlin" and not Willie Mays Hayes (2).

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would've gone out and signed a guy like Tim Dwight during the offseason

I was at a bachelor party watching the 2nd preseason game (pre- "the fun") and I remember commenting that FWR did the "Tim Dwight" in the second or third quarter when he took the punt running with a speed buildup into traffic like Dwight used to do at Iowa.

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Devon Hester doesn't run em all back for TDs

He has been damn good, though. I made fun of that pick at the time but he's obviously on his way to becoming one of the best PR men ever IMO.



 
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« Reply #13 on: Aug 21, 2007 at 21:07 »

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Really not understanding the rabid anti-Reid stuff.
I think it is a prejudice against having too many players named "Willie" on the team. That many "Willie's" are gonna make us homersexual, or something!
 
Or turn all you dudes into chicks.

And I'm not having that.  I kinda like being the "only" chick.....(yeah, there are others out there, but....)



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