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« on: Aug 21, 2007 at 12:09 »

Still two games to go, but I'll take a shot.  A lot could happen between now and September 1.

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« Reply #1 on: Aug 21, 2007 at 12:54 »

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« Reply #2 on: Aug 21, 2007 at 12:55 »

I think that they will keep Reid and axe BSP (with a more spread offense I can't see just taking 5 WR).  While I would like to say Kreider beats out Poop, don't think it will happen.

I do think there will be an unexpected cut (Tomlin making a mark on the team), but where that will be I don't know.  I can't see that statement cut being Starks (possible, but unlikely).  Iwuoma (a Cowher guy) probably won't make it anyway.
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« Reply #3 on: Aug 21, 2007 at 13:29 »

QB (3). Roethlisberger, Batch, St. Pierre.

St. Pierre is the man with something to prove, which partly explains how much action he's seen this preseason.  I think that the lesson of 2006, or one of them, was that QB depth is mighty shaky with two guys.  The read-between-the-lines message this preseason was, Should we stick with BSP this year, or bring in a waiver wire QB?  IMO, BSP has done just enough to stick.  Might not in 2008.

RB (5). Parker, Davenport, Kreider, Davis, Russell.  

Haynes has made a good acquittal of himself, but I see his skill set as virtually equivalent to Davis's, and health and age win out.  Kreider survives the cuts because sometimes we'll spread the ball, sometimes it'll be the ol' pounding style.  Next year, possibly, Davis makes both Davenport and Kreider expendable?

WR (6). Ward, Holmes, Washington, Wilson, Reid, Young.  

Baker hasn't challenged, so it comes down to how many guys we want to carry.  Young has shown his best yet this year, and could be a handy RZ target, not to mention necessary depth for a team using more spread formations.

TE (3). Miller, Spaeth, Tuman.

Tuman doesn't come back next year.

OL (9).  
Smith, Faneca, Mahan, Simmons, Colon, Starks, Kemoeatu, Philip, Capizzi.

Stephenson needs a lot of work, so we hope he clears waivers.  Philip may not win the backup job so much as Okobi loses it.  In the absence of any decent OT depth, look for Capizzi to sneak in, if he gets enough prep work.

DL (6). Smith, Hampton, Keisel, Hoke, Kirschke, McBean.  

McBean versus Eason is a tough call, but figure this is the last DL spot, and we can afford to take on a Mitchell project.  Not settled by any stretch, just yet.

LB (8).  Farrior, Foote, Haggans, J. Harrison, Woodley, Timmons, Kriewaldt, Wallace.

Koonce may stick on the PS, despite some good STs play.  Arnold Harrison hasn't shown enough, IMO.  Wallace has gotten a lot of work across ILB/OLB/STs, and sticks.  Kriewaldt, in the Fiala role, sticks due to vet smarts and STs play.  

DB (9).  Polamalu, Clark, Smith, Carter, Townshend, Taylor, McFadden, Gay, Colclough.

Madison may be a PS keeper, don't know about Lorello.  The four deep at S is augmented by Townshend getting some reps there; maybe he's a two-position backup if and when McFadden wins a starting corner job.  Gay passes Coke on depth, but Coke sticks due to recent decent play and STs.

ST (3).  Sepulveda, Reed, Warren.


Guys on my list who I'm least confident of: Capizzi, Philip, McBean.
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« Reply #4 on: Aug 21, 2007 at 14:51 »

Who would you like to give a pass to, Finman?  

Okobi?

Eason?

Haynes?

Arnie Harrison?

Koonce?

Essex?

Stephenson?

You've only got 52.  I'm going to guess Okobi.
 
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« Reply #5 on: Aug 21, 2007 at 15:07 »

Yeah, I'm an idiot.  

I don't think we give it to the guy who most impacts STs.  I personally would keep Stephenson, even being a project, but I'll go with Koonce.  
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« Reply #6 on: Aug 27, 2007 at 14:11 »

Not much change, but there are a couple.

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« Reply #7 on: Aug 27, 2007 at 14:43 »

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« Reply #8 on: Aug 27, 2007 at 15:01 »

My 53rd man is now Eason.

 
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« Reply #9 on: Aug 27, 2007 at 20:41 »

Ironically, this year I think BSP finally deserves to stick as the #3, but he may not simply because of competition at other positions.  6 RBs deserve to stay, and only going with 5 WR is risky IMO.  

Be a bit of a ballsy move to only go with 2 QBs, esp. since Ben hasn't played 16 games yet in his career.  Charlie's solid, but has gotten hurt at times also.

That's why Tomlin's getting the big bucks.
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« Reply #10 on: Aug 27, 2007 at 20:47 »

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Ironically, this year I think BSP finally deserves to stick as the #3, but he may not simply because of competition at other positions.  6 RBs deserve to stay, and only going with 5 WR is risky IMO.  

Be a bit of a ballsy move to only go with 2 QBs, esp. since Ben hasn't played 16 games yet in his career.  Charlie's solid, but has gotten hurt at times also.

That's why Tomlin's getting the big bucks.
My feeling on the risk of playing with 2 qb's on the roster is as follows:  if you get down to where you have to start #3, your season is fucked regardless.

Let Pea Hair go.  We get down to needing a third, it's not going to matter much anyway. I'm sure we can pull some Tom, Dick or Harry off the wire to hand the ball off.
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« Reply #11 on: Aug 27, 2007 at 20:59 »

Great point by msdmnr on Ben not making it the full 16 in any of his seasons as a full start and injury issues with Batch.  

Though I lean the way of the penso...if BSP is there, we're screwed anyway.  

 
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« Reply #12 on: Aug 28, 2007 at 08:16 »

Pretty good chance that BSP would be "available" if it ever came down to needing a 3rd QB anyway.

And, I'd like to make one final modification to my list and then that'll be it.  

Cut McBean and sign Tim Dwight who was cut by the Jets yesterday.
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« Reply #13 on: Aug 28, 2007 at 08:34 »

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Pretty good chance that BSP would be "available" if it ever came down to needing a 3rd QB anyway.

And, I'd like to make one final modification to my list and then that'll be it.  

Cut McBean and sign Tim Dwight who was cut by the Jets yesterday.
If you pick up Dwight, it makes Reid expendable as well.
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« Reply #14 on: Aug 28, 2007 at 08:43 »

How's Dwight's speed at this point? Isn't there a reason that the Jets would cut him? I don't think of the Jets as being flush with speedy, athletic return men.

Maybe Wilson would be just as good, and save the roster spot...

I still hope Reid sticks, and gets his crap together.
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« Reply #15 on: Aug 28, 2007 at 08:59 »

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« Reply #16 on: Aug 28, 2007 at 09:11 »

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How's Dwight's speed at this point? Isn't there a reason that the Jets would cut him? I don't think of the Jets as being flush with speedy, athletic return men.

They do have Justin Miller for KO's.  They've got a couple fourth year guys listed on their  depth chart for punt returns.

As poor as our punt returns have been, wouldn't mind a bit if they at least brought him in for a look.  Cut him in a week if he doesn't look ready.

Regarding the BSP issue, I agree if he has to start several games for us, we're screwed.  I thinking more along the lines of needing someone for a few series, or one game tops, i.e., if Ben's out, then Charlie gets dinged up during the game.  However, it's rare that a team needs to use three QBs in a game.  However, say Ben's out.  If BSP's not available, then we're picking up some guy off the street that doesn't know the offense as a backup, and he'll only have a few days to figure it out.

All comes down to how much insurance you want to buy.  And it's not like we're grooming BSP for the future, since he's two years older than Ben (and it's highly unlikely he'll ever be a #1 under any circustances).
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« Reply #17 on: Aug 28, 2007 at 10:42 »

BSP is the Rooney's insurance policy if they can't RESING Ben.

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« Reply #18 on: Aug 29, 2007 at 14:17 »

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburgh...s/s_524599.html

The quote by Okobi sounds like he is really worried about being cut.  I still think we need him as a backup at Center or Guard, but if by freeing the 2 Mil we can resign Faneca, Simmons or extend Marvel, OK by me.
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« Reply #19 on: Aug 30, 2007 at 09:07 »

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The quote by Okobi sounds like he is really worried about being cut.  I still think we need him as a backup at Center or Guard, but if by freeing the 2 Mil we can resign Faneca, Simmons or extend Marvel, OK by me.

 Philip has a better shot backing up OG, IMO.  Okobi seems to be a C only type.

Saving his cap room won't help re-sign Faneca, and it's questionable whether that would be good in the long haul anyway.  Simmons, maybe dollar-wise, though questions still exist about his strength, so long-term?  Who knows.  Smith, I think he's in for a few more years, the real question is grooming a successor.  Smith might actually be more adept if he moved in to LG and we had a younger LT outside of him.  Might work for a year or two.
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« Reply #20 on: Aug 30, 2007 at 17:39 »

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How's Dwight's speed at this point? Isn't there a reason that the Jets would cut him? I don't think of the Jets as being flush with speedy, athletic return men.



They do have Justin Miller for KO's. They've got a couple fourth year guys listed on their depth chart for punt returns.

As poor as our punt returns have been, wouldn't mind a bit if they at least brought him in for a look. Cut him in a week if he doesn't look ready.

Tim Dwight has accrued enough service time that he is a fully-vested veteran. Meaning if he is on the roster for week one, his salary becomes guaranteed for the remainder of the season. So bringing him in and then cutting him if he doesn't pan out doesn't appeal to me.
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« Reply #21 on: Aug 30, 2007 at 20:47 »

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« Reply #22 on: Aug 31, 2007 at 00:53 »

St. Pea Hair IS eligible for the practice squad...

Great, I think... 2 QBs on the active 53 and a safety valve on the PS.


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After rechecking, the Steelers have determined that quarterback Brian St. Pierre is eligible for the practice squad. Players are eligible unless they've been active for nine games in one season or been on practice squads for three years. St. Pierre had spent time on practice squads for two seasons when the Steelers signed him to their practice squad last year.

However, he only spent one week on the practice squad before he was added to the 53-man roster. It turns out, a player must spend at least three weeks on the practice squad for it to count as one season. That does not mean Mike Tomlin will put him there, but it gives him another option. Tomlin believes in having three quarterbacks. He could have two on the 53-man roster and one on the practice squad in reserve if one of the two are injured. The Steelers would have to release St. Pierre and then sign him to the practice squad, so if anyone else is interested in him they could offer him a contract as part of their 53-man roster.
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« Reply #23 on: Aug 31, 2007 at 07:31 »

Final version (starters bolded, practice squadders in brackets):

QB (3). Roethlisberger, Batch, St. Pierre.

RB (5). Parker, Davenport, Kreider, Davis, Russell.

WR (5). Ward, Holmes, Washington, Wilson, Reid.

TE (3). Miller, Spaeth, Tuman.  [Boyd*]

OL (9). Smith, Faneca, Mahan, Simmons, Colon, Starks, Kemoeatu, Okobi, Capizzi.  [Philip, Stephenson, Stapleton]

DL (7). Smith, Hampton, Keisel, Hoke, Kirschke, Eason, McBean.  [Paxson*]

LB (9). Farrior, Foote, Haggans, J. Harrison, Woodley, Timmons, Kriewaldt, Wallace, A. Harrison.  

DB (9). Polamalu, Clark, Smith, Carter, Townshend, Taylor, McFadden, Gay, Colclough. [Madison, Lorello]

ST (3). Sepulveda, Reed, Warren.

*Could be bumped for waiver wire signings.  Will sign one additonal player off waivers, only 7 listed as possibles above.

Final tweak: swapped Eason in and Walt Young out, on theory that Mac would get snapped off waivers (Browns?) and Young will not, can just sit by the phone for us to call.
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« Reply #24 on: Aug 31, 2007 at 09:05 »

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Great, I think... 2 QBs on the active 53 and a safety valve on the PS.
 
Interesting.  I didn't know that.  Thanks for the info.

 
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« Reply #25 on: Sep 01, 2007 at 09:50 »

QB (3)  Ben, Batch, St. Pierre (given Ben's injury history, and the likelihood I think BSP doesn't last on the PS, have to keep 3 QB's)

RB (5)  FWP, Kreider, Najeh, Davis, Russell (Russell is younger, faster, and cheaper, and most agree that Haynes isn't 100%.  If they are serious about letting FWP take some reps as the third down back in the shotgun, Haynes is expendable.)

WR (6)  Ward, Wilson, Holmes, Washington, Reid, Young (If the Steelers decide to go with 5 at WR, I really want to keep Young and get rid of Reid.  I just don't see it happening.  If it's my team, it's Young over Reid.  Young is a big target out wide, and a great redzone possibility.  But with Miller and a 6'7 TE in Spaeth, they may see those two as better options.  I think given Reid's development and injury history, he's a PR only, necessitating 6 at this position if you keep Reid.)

TE (3)  Miller, Spaeth, Tuman

OL (9)  Smith, Faneca, Mahan, Simmons, Colon, Starks, Kemo, Essex, Philip  (This is by far the toughest call.  I think Okobi has been an expensive backup for far too long, but at the same time, I'm wondering if the Starks experiment at both tackles was done to see if they can keep him as backup at both position, meaning they can get rid of Essex, keep Okobi, throw Capizzi on the practice squad, and hope for some time for him to develop before they sign him in the event of injuries.)  There are a couple combinations of players at the end that I think are equally likely to happen.  However, given what has been said about Capizzi, he's PS material.  I don't think anyone in that organization feels comfortable throwing him out there in the third quarter of the Cleveland game after a couple injuries.  He's still a project, too much so to keep on the active roster.  Since they didn't draft a T, I think they have to keep Essex.

DL (6)  Smith, Hampton, Keisel, Hoke, Kirshke, Eason

LB (9)  J. Harrison, Farrior, Foote, Haggans, Timmons, Woodley, A. Harrison, Kriewaldt, Wallace.

CB (9)  Taylor, Troy, Townsend, Clark, Smith, Gay, McFadden, Carter, Madison (I'm calling the cut of Colclough.  It's not pent up anger or a desire to be vindictive.  I just don't think he's that good, and there are few better ways for a new coach to set a tone than to come in, look at a second round pick your team traded up to get, and tell him to hit the road.)

ST (3)  Reed, Sepulveda, Warren
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