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« on: Sep 21, 2007 at 22:48 »

I had heard that this may be  LeBeau's last year.  Any truth to this?  I hope not, but if it is who could we get to replace him?  
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« Reply #1 on: Sep 21, 2007 at 22:57 »

I haven't heard anything.  I think there was that speculation when Tomlin was hired and he'd convert us over to the 43 (forcing LeBeau out).

But, given the player dynamics and great past 2 years for the D, I personally feel Lebeau can  "retire as a Steeler" if he so chooses.
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« Reply #2 on: Sep 22, 2007 at 17:39 »

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I haven't heard anything.  I think there was that speculation when Tomlin was hired and he'd convert us over to the 43 (forcing LeBeau out).

But, given the player dynamics and great past 2 years for the D, I personally feel Lebeau can  "retire as a Steeler" if he so chooses.
I agree, Tomlin seems like a student of the game, and is loving having LeBeau  around. Ive been hearing whispers of tomlin and lebeau working on a hybrid 3-4/cover 2 zone blitz Style, which could be really interesting.
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« Reply #3 on: Sep 22, 2007 at 17:54 »

I can't believe that Dick isn't in the HOF.  
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« Reply #4 on: Sep 23, 2007 at 01:42 »

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« Reply #5 on: Sep 23, 2007 at 07:26 »

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I can't believe that Dick isn't in the HOF.


White cornerbacks have to do more to succeed than black cornerbacks and white pass-defenders also face more criticism than their black counterparts......
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« Reply #6 on: Sep 23, 2007 at 17:38 »

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 Check it out:

http://www.burghsportsguys.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1185
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« Reply #7 on: Sep 24, 2007 at 08:23 »

If DL leaves the Steelers, it will be of his own choosing, IMO.
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« Reply #8 on: Sep 24, 2007 at 12:45 »

jburghfan, I REALLY feel you should put a "IMO" on your comment:

"White cornerbacks have to do more to succeed than black cornerbacks and white pass-defenders also face more criticism than their black counterparts......"


DL deserves to be in the HOF, that's it. Why make it a race issue??
 
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« Reply #9 on: Sep 24, 2007 at 12:53 »

Pretty sure that *sarcasm* is the answer here...
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« Reply #10 on: Sep 24, 2007 at 13:11 »

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jburghfan, I REALLY feel you should put a "IMO" on your comment:

"White cornerbacks have to do more to succeed than black cornerbacks and white pass-defenders also face more criticism than their black counterparts......"


DL deserves to be in the HOF, that's it. Why make it a race issue??
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« Reply #11 on: Sep 24, 2007 at 13:17 »

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jburghfan, I REALLY feel you should put a "IMO" on your comment:

"White cornerbacks have to do more to succeed than black cornerbacks and white pass-defenders also face more criticism than their black counterparts......"


DL deserves to be in the HOF, that's it. Why make it a race issue??
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« Reply #12 on: Sep 24, 2007 at 13:45 »

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Newbie.... Yeah that's me! (Thank You)

But the Biggest Steelers fan in H-Town Texas.
Just messin'. Though I probably should know better than to mess with Texas  :ph43r:

Welcome to the board!
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« Reply #13 on: Sep 24, 2007 at 13:53 »

No offense taken. Thank you. I'm glad to be here. :cheers:  
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« Reply #14 on: Sep 24, 2007 at 13:58 »

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jburghfan, I REALLY feel you should put a "IMO" on your comment:

"White cornerbacks have to do more to succeed than black cornerbacks and white pass-defenders also face more criticism than their black counterparts......"


DL deserves to be in the HOF, that's it. Why make it a race issue??
You'll have to excuse jburghfan as he lives in his mom's basement and doesn't get out much.

At the same time, I think his point in the remarks he made is the same as your's, though he sprinkled his with sarcasm.

But he's gotta kill the time somehow.

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« Reply #15 on: Sep 25, 2007 at 17:26 »

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You'll have to excuse jburghfan as he lives in his mom's basement and doesn't get out much.

Mom's no longer with us....So I've moved upstairs to the big house....

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jburghfan, I REALLY feel you should put a "IMO" on your comment:


It's not my opinion....It's Donovan's....
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« Reply #16 on: Sep 26, 2007 at 07:48 »

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It's not my opinion....It's Donovan's....
By Donovan, do you mean McNabb?? I didn't agree with his statement either. I do agree with what I heard Marino say recently... "It's all about winning and losing"
Look at the last CB to be accepted into the Hall.... ROGER WEHRLI (I believe he's white)

 
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« Reply #17 on: Sep 26, 2007 at 07:50 »

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It's not my opinion....It's Donovan's....
By Donovan, do you mean McNabb?? I didn't agree with his statement either. I do agree with what I heard Marino say recently... "It's all about winning and losing"
Look at the last CB to be accepted into the Hall.... ROGER WEHRLI (I believe he's white)
Roger Wehrli is white?  
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« Reply #18 on: Sep 26, 2007 at 08:27 »

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It's not my opinion....It's Donovan's....
By Donovan, do you mean McNabb?? I didn't agree with his statement either. I do agree with what I heard Marino say recently... "It's all about winning and losing"
Look at the last CB to be accepted into the Hall.... ROGER WEHRLI (I believe he's white)
Just to remove all implied sarcasm, Chris, and to make sure everyone is calling a spade "a spade".  Jburgh said what he did as sarcasm/humor as a take off (actually it was exactly) on McNabb's statement.

What jburgh said sounded ridiculous, just as it did when McNabb said it, which is why it was funny.  

There is a lot of dry humor on this board, so I should warn you not to take any offense to what Otismalibu posts.
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« Reply #19 on: Sep 26, 2007 at 11:25 »

Don't worry jburghfan, I got your reference right off the bat.

As for LeBeau making the HOF, it took Paul Krause a long time to get in too.  He was a hell of a CB.
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« Reply #20 on: Sep 26, 2007 at 12:16 »

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It's not my opinion....It's Donovan's....

By Donovan, do you mean McNabb?? I didn't agree with his statement either. I do agree with what I heard Marino say recently... "It's all about winning and losing"
Look at the last CB to be accepted into the Hall.... ROGER WEHRLI (I believe he's white)

 We're all missing the point.

By Donovan, he was clearly talking about this guy:

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« Reply #21 on: Sep 26, 2007 at 12:23 »

Mellow Yellow?
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« Reply #22 on: Sep 26, 2007 at 12:40 »

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Mellow Yellow?
In "Mellow Yellow," Donovan was just trying to address the issue of race, in song.

It's really too bad that James Brown, the godfather of soul himself, would bait such a thoughtful artist into this controversial media firestorm.

Such is my understanding, anyway.
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« Reply #23 on: Sep 26, 2007 at 14:05 »

I can not believe that people would actually be sarcastic in a space as serious as this.
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« Reply #24 on: Sep 26, 2007 at 14:30 »

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Might want to stay away from any links he posts as well.

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« Reply #25 on: Sep 27, 2007 at 09:48 »

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Just to remove all implied sarcasm, Chris, and to make sure everyone is calling a spade "a spade". Jburgh said what he did as sarcasm/humor as a take off (actually it was exactly) on McNabb's statement.

What jburgh said sounded ridiculous, just as it did when McNabb said it, which is why it was funny
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Thanks for 'splaining that for me BV.....I was going to do it myself, but you know what they say about a joke if you have to explain it.......

It was intended to show how ridiculous McNabb's statement was, and also what a travesty it is that **** is not in the HOF....I wasn't trying to offend anyone (except Scac...Which is my main purpose of visiting this board)....

You can joke about alot of things in this crazy PC world.....But don't ever say anything about race.....Change a few words in McNabb's original statement, and people start calling you out.....

But, I knew it would happen, that's why I posted it.....Much like someone editing out a non-PC correct word from a direct quote taken from the movie Pulp Fiction....


 
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« Reply #26 on: Sep 27, 2007 at 10:49 »

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but you know what they say about a joke if you have to explain it.......

 
Then maybe it's not really funny.

I won't even touch on your Pulp Fiction comment.
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« Reply #27 on: Sep 27, 2007 at 10:58 »

But don't get me wrong... no harm no foul. I'm not bitter or taking this somewhere it shouldn't go.... my comment was strictly "IMO"

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« Reply #28 on: Sep 27, 2007 at 11:30 »

Is the white CB gone for good?  
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FOXSports.com, Updated 3 hours ago   STORY TOOLS:                        

A week removed from Donovan McNabb's remarks about black quarterbacks, the nation prepares for another weekend of pro football, a game segregated by position.

For the sake of argument, consider the rule, and not the exception. Kickers and punters are white. Running backs (excluding the "throwback" blocking types) are black. Receivers are mostly black. Quarterbacks, as McNabb noted, remain predominantly white.
Still, a single black quarterback would be one more than the number of starting white cornerbacks.

"I may have been the last," says Jason Sehorn, who retired four years ago.

The last ever, he means. Sehorn, whose nickname among the Giants was "Species," now wonders if white cornerbacks are themselves extinct.

"Like the dinosaur," he says.

Then again, if in fact the white cornerback is a dead species, it wouldn't bother Sehorn too much. It is not, at least in his mind, a civil rights question.

"Being the last doesn't mean anything," he says. "It's not like being the first. It's not like I was a pioneer."

Sehorn, now an analyst for FOX Sports Net, considers black quarterbacks like James Harris and Doug Williams among the game's pioneers. He's more ambivalent on the subject of McNabb, who recently told HBO's James Brown that black quarterbacks "have to do a little extra" and that their white counterparts "don't get criticized as much as we do."

"As a journalist," says Sehorn, "the first thing I thought was, 'It's not the color of your skin. It's the city you play in.'"

Philadelphia, where it is brotherly to loathe, has the most notorious fans in America. Long before booing McNabb, they booed Santa Claus and Mike Schmidt. Sehorn
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« Reply #29 on: Sep 27, 2007 at 11:38 »

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Jason Sehorn=KS2???


Let me explain that, Chris....You see, back in the day,.....Eh.....Fuck it.....


 
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« Reply #30 on: Sep 27, 2007 at 11:53 »

This whole white cornerback issue is a CONSPIRACY by the NEGROTOCRACY to keep the po' white man DOWN!  It is time for my flat-butted, slow-of-foot brothers to UNITE against this OUTRAGE!  We've been told we can't JUMP, and we can't DANCE, and now we are told we can't COVER the wide receiver!  Jesus was WHITE!  Superman was WHITE!  You don't think JESUS or SUPERMAN could cover Randy Moss?  You don't think JESUS or SUPERMAN could take Terrell Owens out of a game?  

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« Reply #31 on: Sep 27, 2007 at 12:07 »

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I don't know, Fin.....Jesus had a pretty weak jam at the LOS.....Something about that whole turn the other cheek deal.......

 
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I don't know, Fin.....Jesus had a pretty weak jam at the LOS.....Something about that whole turn the other cheek deal.......
True dat.  But He did some funky stuff with the Gatorade... Second half, the other team was too drunk to run anything.
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« Reply #33 on: Sep 27, 2007 at 15:26 »

White cornerbackshave to do more to succeed than black cornerbacks and white defensive backs in general, face more criticism than their black counterparts.
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I don't know, Fin.....Jesus had a pretty weak jam at the LOS.....Something about that whole turn the other cheek deal.......
True dat.  But He did some funky stuff with the Gatorade... Second half, the other team was too drunk to run anything.
Yeah, and you try covering TO in sandals.  Plus, the dude was what, 5'3"?  Musta been a hella leaper.
 
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« Reply #35 on: Sep 27, 2007 at 17:49 »

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« Reply #36 on: Sep 27, 2007 at 21:21 »

Living in Pittsburgh, I have not heard anything stating or even hinting that this is LeBeau's last year.
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A week removed from Donovan McNabb's remarks about black quarterbacks, the nation prepares for another weekend of pro football, a game segregated by position.

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"You have to believe in yourself," says Sehorn. "You have to believe that you can be the anomaly."


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7269916?MSNHPHMA

 What the hell is the point of this article. Black, White, Brown, what's the difference? They're football players.
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« Reply #38 on: Sep 28, 2007 at 08:50 »

How come no one's mentioning Korean-African-American wide receivers?

Their experiences are also worth discussing.  
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 This is the best point made on this whole post!

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And what about Kailee Wong?  There's an Asian name for you.  And really I have no point except that Kailee Wong sounds like it should be popping up on one of Otis's DVDs...
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Their experiences are also worth discussing.
And what about Kailee Wong?  There's an Asian name for you.  And really I have no point except that Kailee Wong sounds like it should be popping up on one of Otis's DVDs...
Or out of Penso's apartment.
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