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« Reply #30 on: Oct 25, 2007 at 14:10 »

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The Steelers gameplan on Sunday was the exact same thing they've been doing for the past three seasons and five games. It didn't work on Sunday. That doesn't make it a bad plan.
 
That simply can't be true.  I'm fine with the "this plan wasn't as flawed as your claiming" argument, but to say that this is the exact same thing the Steelers have been doing during the past three seasons is definitely false.


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« Reply #31 on: Oct 25, 2007 at 14:19 »

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That simply can't be true.


It simply is true. The Steelers have been throwing in the first quarter (and first half) of games all the way back to 2005, including every game of the playoffs that year.


Ryan Wilson breaks it down much better than I did. It's the second post down.

The Steelers are a classic example of a team, "running when it wins" and not  "winning when it runs."



 
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« Reply #32 on: Oct 25, 2007 at 14:21 »

Actually, DJF, it goes back to 2004.  Ben threw significantly more passes in the first half that season than he did in the second half.  
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« Reply #33 on: Oct 25, 2007 at 14:22 »

My Breakdown

I was going to write about this topic over at SCI, but Ryan beat me to the punch...
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« Reply #34 on: Oct 25, 2007 at 21:10 »

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That simply can't be true.


It simply is true. The Steelers have been throwing in the first quarter (and first half) of games all the way back to 2005, including every game of the playoffs that year.


Ryan Wilson breaks it down much better than I did. It's the second post down.

The Steelers are a classic example of a team, "running when it wins" and not  "winning when it runs."

 Actually, if you read the article, you'd see it was only on the 2005 playoff run, during which they obviously did throw the ball a lot.

4 games does not equal 3 seasons.



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« Reply #35 on: Oct 25, 2007 at 21:16 »

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Actually, if you read the article, you'd see it was only on the 2005 playoff run,

He only broke down the playoffs.

I broke down the entire season. From my site:

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heck out the pass:run ratio by quarter during the regular season:

First quarter: Pass: 50 - Run: 50
Second quarter: Pass: 53 - Run: 47
Third Quarter: Pass: 39 - Run: 61
Fourth Quarter: Pass: 36 - Run: 64

During '05, the Steelers played 20 games. In 11 of those games, they threw more than they ran in the first quarter. In six of those games, they ran more than they threw. In the other three, it was an even balance.



 
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« Reply #36 on: Oct 25, 2007 at 21:45 »

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« Reply #37 on: Oct 26, 2007 at 00:43 »

Certainly take care of the ball.  Most teams have problems winning with 2 picks and a fumble for TD, even if they get a couple turnovers themselves.

 
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« Reply #38 on: Oct 26, 2007 at 00:52 »

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Most teams have problems winning with 2 picks and a fumble for TD

exactly...i would bet if that "brain fart" of a snap doesnt take place, this conversation wouldnt have been started in the first place.  any defensive TD will kill a teams chances of winning with/without a solid offensive game plan.
 
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« Reply #39 on: Oct 26, 2007 at 10:09 »

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Actually, if you read the article, you'd see it was only on the 2005 playoff run,

He only broke down the playoffs.

I broke down the entire season. From my site:

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heck out the pass:run ratio by quarter during the regular season:

First quarter: Pass: 50 - Run: 50
Second quarter: Pass: 53 - Run: 47
Third Quarter: Pass: 39 - Run: 61
Fourth Quarter: Pass: 36 - Run: 64

During '05, the Steelers played 20 games. In 11 of those games, they threw more than they ran in the first quarter. In six of those games, they ran more than they threw. In the other three, it was an even balance.
I'm fine with a 50:50 pass:run balance (though I certainly prefer more run than pass), but we didn't even see that in the Denver game.

Didn't the Steelers only attempt something like 3 runs on their first few series?  That really tips the ratio towards passing over running, and when we start to do that, I think the team begins to enter a type of game that they are not nearly as successful at winning.


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