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« on: Oct 30, 2007 at 18:11 »

Ben Roethlisberger has 15 TDs and 6 INTs through seven games. That puts him on pace for 34 TD passes and 14 INTs.

He's ranked 4th in passer rating.

He's ranked 4th in yards per attempt.

He's ranked 4th in TD passes.

He's ranked 3rd in TD percentage.

He's ranked 16th in INTs (tied with Brett Favre, Matt Hasselbeck, Jon Kitna, Jason Campbell and Vince Young).

He's ranked 16th in INT percentage (better than Drew Brees, Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Jay Cutler, Tony Romo, Marc Bulger and Vince Young).

Yet he's sooo overrated! *lmao* :rolleyes:
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« Reply #1 on: Oct 30, 2007 at 19:32 »

Ben'll never be half the quarterback Archie Manning was.


And Dan Sepulveda's no Russel Erxleben, either.
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« Reply #2 on: Oct 30, 2007 at 23:30 »

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Ben'll never be half the quarterback Archie Manning was.


And Dan Sepulveda's no Russel Erxleben, either.
What the hell are you talking about?

Sepulveda's not even a Chris Gardocki.....
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« Reply #3 on: Oct 31, 2007 at 07:15 »

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Ben'll never be half the quarterback Archie Manning was.


And Dan Sepulveda's no Russel Erxleben, either.
What the hell are you talking about?

Sepulveda's not even a Chris Gardocki.....
But Sepulvada has never had a punt blocked.......
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« Reply #4 on: Oct 31, 2007 at 07:31 »

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« Reply #5 on: Oct 31, 2007 at 15:14 »

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Ben'll never be half the quarterback Archie Manning was.


And Dan Sepulveda's no Russel Erxleben, either.
What the hell are you talking about?

Sepulveda's not even a Chris Gardocki.....
But Sepulvada has never had a punt blocked.......
Well, yeah, there's that.

Where's the streak stand now?

Oh.  This thread is supposed to be about Ben.

Great photo Oat.  Shows just how worthless that guy is...

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« Reply #6 on: Nov 07, 2007 at 11:19 »

Did anyone else catch the Steeler's 75th Gala on FSN?  When Steve Sabol was introducing Bradshaw he made mention of the fact that over 10% of TB's passes resulted in touchdowns, which is extraordinary.  Just outa curiosity, I decided to compare 6 of today's top QB's with 6 from Canton to see where Roethlisberger stood in comparison.  The results are in, and Ben fared out quite well.  

1. Terry Bradshaw - 212 TD's, 2025 completions, 10.47%.
2.  John Unitas - 290 TD's, 2830 completions, 10.25%.
3.  Ben Roethlisberger - 72 TD's, 781 completions, 9.22% to date.
4.  Roger Staubach - 153 TD's, 1685 completions, 9.08%.
5.  Peyton Manning - 289 TD's, 3299 completions, 8.76% to date.
6.  Tom Brady - 180 TD's, 2155 completions, 8.51% to date.
7.  Dan Marino - 420 TD's, 4967 completions, 8.46%.
8.  Carson Palmer - 94 TD's, 1122 completions, 8.38% to date.
9.  Brett Favre - 427 TD's, 5226 completions, 8.17% to date.
10.  Joe Montana - 273 TD's, 3409 completions, 7.78%.
11. Donovan McNabb - 161 TD's, 2070 completions, 7.78% to date.
12.  John Elway - 300 TD's, 4123 completions, 7.28%.

I don't think Ben's ready for Canton just yet, but he's off to a pretty good start.
 
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« Reply #7 on: Nov 07, 2007 at 11:29 »

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5.  Peyton Manning - 289 TD's, 3299 completions, 8.76% to date.
6.  Tom Brady - 180 TD's, 2155 completions, 8.51% to date.
7.  Dan Marino - 420 TD's, 4967 completions, 8.46%.
8.  Carson Palmer - 94 TD's, 1122 completions, 8.38% to date.
9.  Brett Favre - 427 TD's, 5226 completions, 8.17% to date.
11. Donovan McNabb - 161 TD's, 2070 completions, 7.78% to date.
12. John Elway - 300 TD's, 4123 completions, 7.28%.
Holy shit.

I did not realize that Brady had so few TD passes in comparison to some of the other all time greats.  And, with as huge of a season as he's having, he's still ONE HUNDRED behind Manning.

And, I knew how many TDs Favre has, but when you see how far guys like Brady and Manning have to go to match his and/or Marino's numbers, it's even more impressive.

Elway, Marino, Favre.  My top 3.

Also, was not aware of the fact that McNabb has almost as many TDs as Brady.
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« Reply #8 on: Nov 07, 2007 at 14:44 »

Being a geek, I decided to expand on the comparison that I started above.  I took all 23 of the modern-day QB's in the Hall of Fame.  I then added the top 17 QB's of this year, based on QB ratings, to come up with a "Top 40" list.  I gathered their career stats, & calculated career completion percentage, TD's per completion, & yards per attempt.  I ranked each category, & then averaged the three to come up with a composite score. Ben Roethlisberger ended up in a tie for 2nd place with Steve Young.  I'm too techno-stupid to post the spreadsheet, but here are the results.  PM me if you want, & I'll email you the rest.


1.   Tony Romo
2T.   Steve Young
2T.   Ben Roethlisberger
4.   Peyton Manning
5.   Otto Graham
6.   Len Dawson
7.   Derek Anderson
8.   Norm Van Brocklin
9.   Carson Palmer
10T.   Sonny Jurgenson
10T.   Joe Montana
12T.   John Unitas
12T.   Jay Cutler
14.   Bart Starr
15.   Tom Brady
16T.   Roger Staubach
16T.   Jim Kelly
18.   Dan Fouts
19T.   Y.A. Tittle
19T.   Bob Waterfield
21.   Dan Marino
22.   Chad Pennington
23T.   Bob Griese
23T.   Fran Tarkenton
25.   Bobby Layne
26.   Philip Rivers
27.   Brett Favre
28T.   Joe Namath
28T.   Terry Bradshaw
30.   Drew Brees
31.   Matt Hasselbeck
32T.   Warren Moon
32T.   George Blanda
34.   Jeff Garcia
35T.   Matt Schaub
35T.   Troy Aikman
37.   Donovan McNabb
38.   David Garrard
39.   Jon Kitna
40.   John Elway
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« Reply #9 on: Nov 07, 2007 at 14:47 »

speaking of the soon to be "cantonized" Big Ben...anyone happen happen to catch him on the 2nd TD pass to Holmes?  where he completely kept the S from double covering Holmes by looking to the left half of the field the entire time just before heaving a sweet ass pass to #10?

 or the 2nd play of the game to Hines where he saw Scott had the inside slant covered and Ben slid out of the pocket and Hines improvised to the outside with Ben for an easy 15 and a FD?

those right there arent as great as TD passes, but sure as shit shows how much farther Ben is removed from his horrible 2006.  Other than that crap pass he threw against cincy, he is getting better and better making reads.

Im willing to wager that TD% improves before its al said and done.  Now if he could just throw 30+ a game he'd be all set.  do you think idiot fans would shut thrie pie holes if Ben came out in the second half of a blow out to pass at will for 40 times and run up the score?  hmmm, huh?
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« Reply #10 on: Nov 08, 2007 at 07:53 »

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anyone happen happen to catch him on the 2nd TD pass to Holmes?  where he completely kept the S from double covering Holmes by looking to the left half of the field the entire time just before heaving a sweet ass pass to #10?

 
I noticed this and watched it a couple of times.  I was suprised how quickly he threw it, pretty much without looking that direction first.

That is what he did during their superbowl run, especially in the red zone.  A lot of plays against Denver and Indy where he was "freezing" a DB or LB before firing a shot.

It is really hard to believe he has 2 more TD's, at the half way point of the season, than he has had in the past.

I hope he keeps playing well.
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« Reply #11 on: Nov 08, 2007 at 11:14 »

Interesting list, KC.  Proves my long held hypothesis that Kitna > Elway.
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« Reply #12 on: Nov 08, 2007 at 16:11 »

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Interesting list, KC.  Proves my long held hypothesis that Kitna > Elway.
Actually, Young & Elway were the two biggest surprises to me.  I didn't really think that Young's stats were that good in comparison.  I always that Elway's stats were better.
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« Reply #13 on: Nov 08, 2007 at 18:03 »

Carson Palmer needs to come off of the list.  
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« Reply #14 on: Nov 08, 2007 at 18:11 »

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Being a geek, I decided to expand on the comparison that I started above.  I took all 23 of the modern-day QB's in the Hall of Fame.  I then added the top 17 QB's of this year, based on QB ratings, to come up with a "Top 40" list.  I gathered their career stats, & calculated career completion percentage, TD's per completion, & yards per attempt.  I ranked each category, & then averaged the three to come up with a composite score. Ben Roethlisberger ended up in a tie for 2nd place with Steve Young.  I'm too techno-stupid to post the spreadsheet, but here are the results.  PM me if you want, & I'll email you the rest.


1.   Tony Romo
2T.   Steve Young
2T.   Ben Roethlisberger
4.   Peyton Manning
5.   Otto Graham
6.   Len Dawson
7.   Derek Anderson
8.   Norm Van Brocklin
9.   Carson Palmer
10T.   Sonny Jurgenson
10T.   Joe Montana
12T.   John Unitas
12T.   Jay Cutler
14.   Bart Starr
15.   Tom Brady
16T.   Roger Staubach
16T.   Jim Kelly
18.   Dan Fouts
19T.   Y.A. Tittle
19T.   Bob Waterfield
21.   Dan Marino
22.   Chad Pennington
23T.   Bob Griese
23T.   Fran Tarkenton
25.   Bobby Layne
26.   Philip Rivers
27.   Brett Favre
28T.   Joe Namath
28T.   Terry Bradshaw
30.   Drew Brees
31.   Matt Hasselbeck
32T.   Warren Moon
32T.   George Blanda
34.   Jeff Garcia
35T.   Matt Schaub
35T.   Troy Aikman
37.   Donovan McNabb
38.   David Garrard
39.   Jon Kitna
40.   John Elway
Maybe you oughta set the parameters a little differently, such as a minimum number of attempts or games started.
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Maybe you oughta set the parameters a little differently, such as a minimum number of attempts or games started.
I thought about setting it with a minimum 1,000 attempts.  That would have excluded Romo, Anderson, Cutler, Rivers, Schaub, & Garrard.  
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« Reply #16 on: Nov 09, 2007 at 09:17 »

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Being a geek, I decided to expand on the comparison that I started above.  I took all 23 of the modern-day QB's in the Hall of Fame.  I then added the top 17 QB's of this year, based on QB ratings, to come up with a "Top 40" list.  I gathered their career stats, & calculated career completion percentage, TD's per completion, & yards per attempt.  I ranked each category, & then averaged the three to come up with a composite score. Ben Roethlisberger ended up in a tie for 2nd place with Steve Young.  I'm too techno-stupid to post the spreadsheet, but here are the results.  PM me if you want, & I'll email you the rest.


1.   Tony Romo
2T.   Steve Young
2T.   Ben Roethlisberger
4.   Peyton Manning
5.   Otto Graham
6.   Len Dawson
7.   Derek Anderson
8.   Norm Van Brocklin
9.   Carson Palmer
10T.   Sonny Jurgenson
10T.   Joe Montana
12T.   John Unitas
12T.   Jay Cutler
14.   Bart Starr
15.   Tom Brady
16T.   Roger Staubach
16T.   Jim Kelly
18.   Dan Fouts
19T.   Y.A. Tittle
19T.   Bob Waterfield
21.   Dan Marino
22.   Chad Pennington
23T.   Bob Griese
23T.   Fran Tarkenton
25.   Bobby Layne
26.   Philip Rivers
27.   Brett Favre
28T.   Joe Namath
28T.   Terry Bradshaw
30.   Drew Brees
31.   Matt Hasselbeck
32T.   Warren Moon
32T.   George Blanda
34.   Jeff Garcia
35T.   Matt Schaub
35T.   Troy Aikman
37.   Donovan McNabb
38.   David Garrard
39.   Jon Kitna
40.   John Elway
Maybe you oughta set the parameters a little differently, such as a minimum number of attempts or games started.
What?  You mean Curly Sue isn't really a better QB than Griese, Tarkenton, Layne, Favre, Namath, Bradshaw, etc.?

Although we think something like this validates our thoughts, about Roethlisberger, but it also shows how you can maipulate statistics to show just about any result you desire.  Like, my comment above.

Nice work KC.  You can be the official MGS statistician, since I know I would never take the time to do that.
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