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« Reply #10 on: Nov 08, 2007 at 07:53 »

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anyone happen happen to catch him on the 2nd TD pass to Holmes?  where he completely kept the S from double covering Holmes by looking to the left half of the field the entire time just before heaving a sweet ass pass to #10?

 
I noticed this and watched it a couple of times.  I was suprised how quickly he threw it, pretty much without looking that direction first.

That is what he did during their superbowl run, especially in the red zone.  A lot of plays against Denver and Indy where he was "freezing" a DB or LB before firing a shot.

It is really hard to believe he has 2 more TD's, at the half way point of the season, than he has had in the past.

I hope he keeps playing well.
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« Reply #11 on: Nov 08, 2007 at 11:14 »

Interesting list, KC.  Proves my long held hypothesis that Kitna > Elway.
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« Reply #12 on: Nov 08, 2007 at 16:11 »

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Interesting list, KC.  Proves my long held hypothesis that Kitna > Elway.
Actually, Young & Elway were the two biggest surprises to me.  I didn't really think that Young's stats were that good in comparison.  I always that Elway's stats were better.
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« Reply #13 on: Nov 08, 2007 at 18:03 »

Carson Palmer needs to come off of the list.  
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« Reply #14 on: Nov 08, 2007 at 18:11 »

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Being a geek, I decided to expand on the comparison that I started above.  I took all 23 of the modern-day QB's in the Hall of Fame.  I then added the top 17 QB's of this year, based on QB ratings, to come up with a "Top 40" list.  I gathered their career stats, & calculated career completion percentage, TD's per completion, & yards per attempt.  I ranked each category, & then averaged the three to come up with a composite score. Ben Roethlisberger ended up in a tie for 2nd place with Steve Young.  I'm too techno-stupid to post the spreadsheet, but here are the results.  PM me if you want, & I'll email you the rest.


1.   Tony Romo
2T.   Steve Young
2T.   Ben Roethlisberger
4.   Peyton Manning
5.   Otto Graham
6.   Len Dawson
7.   Derek Anderson
8.   Norm Van Brocklin
9.   Carson Palmer
10T.   Sonny Jurgenson
10T.   Joe Montana
12T.   John Unitas
12T.   Jay Cutler
14.   Bart Starr
15.   Tom Brady
16T.   Roger Staubach
16T.   Jim Kelly
18.   Dan Fouts
19T.   Y.A. Tittle
19T.   Bob Waterfield
21.   Dan Marino
22.   Chad Pennington
23T.   Bob Griese
23T.   Fran Tarkenton
25.   Bobby Layne
26.   Philip Rivers
27.   Brett Favre
28T.   Joe Namath
28T.   Terry Bradshaw
30.   Drew Brees
31.   Matt Hasselbeck
32T.   Warren Moon
32T.   George Blanda
34.   Jeff Garcia
35T.   Matt Schaub
35T.   Troy Aikman
37.   Donovan McNabb
38.   David Garrard
39.   Jon Kitna
40.   John Elway
Maybe you oughta set the parameters a little differently, such as a minimum number of attempts or games started.
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« Reply #15 on: Nov 08, 2007 at 20:50 »

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Maybe you oughta set the parameters a little differently, such as a minimum number of attempts or games started.
I thought about setting it with a minimum 1,000 attempts.  That would have excluded Romo, Anderson, Cutler, Rivers, Schaub, & Garrard.  
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« Reply #16 on: Nov 09, 2007 at 09:17 »

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Being a geek, I decided to expand on the comparison that I started above.  I took all 23 of the modern-day QB's in the Hall of Fame.  I then added the top 17 QB's of this year, based on QB ratings, to come up with a "Top 40" list.  I gathered their career stats, & calculated career completion percentage, TD's per completion, & yards per attempt.  I ranked each category, & then averaged the three to come up with a composite score. Ben Roethlisberger ended up in a tie for 2nd place with Steve Young.  I'm too techno-stupid to post the spreadsheet, but here are the results.  PM me if you want, & I'll email you the rest.


1.   Tony Romo
2T.   Steve Young
2T.   Ben Roethlisberger
4.   Peyton Manning
5.   Otto Graham
6.   Len Dawson
7.   Derek Anderson
8.   Norm Van Brocklin
9.   Carson Palmer
10T.   Sonny Jurgenson
10T.   Joe Montana
12T.   John Unitas
12T.   Jay Cutler
14.   Bart Starr
15.   Tom Brady
16T.   Roger Staubach
16T.   Jim Kelly
18.   Dan Fouts
19T.   Y.A. Tittle
19T.   Bob Waterfield
21.   Dan Marino
22.   Chad Pennington
23T.   Bob Griese
23T.   Fran Tarkenton
25.   Bobby Layne
26.   Philip Rivers
27.   Brett Favre
28T.   Joe Namath
28T.   Terry Bradshaw
30.   Drew Brees
31.   Matt Hasselbeck
32T.   Warren Moon
32T.   George Blanda
34.   Jeff Garcia
35T.   Matt Schaub
35T.   Troy Aikman
37.   Donovan McNabb
38.   David Garrard
39.   Jon Kitna
40.   John Elway
Maybe you oughta set the parameters a little differently, such as a minimum number of attempts or games started.
What?  You mean Curly Sue isn't really a better QB than Griese, Tarkenton, Layne, Favre, Namath, Bradshaw, etc.?

Although we think something like this validates our thoughts, about Roethlisberger, but it also shows how you can maipulate statistics to show just about any result you desire.  Like, my comment above.

Nice work KC.  You can be the official MGS statistician, since I know I would never take the time to do that.
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