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« on: Dec 17, 2007 at 19:47 »

I found this on another site (steelers.com), and I am pretty sure it is accurate:



"Unlike yesterday,  a win on Thursday won't completely clinch a playoff spot.   Since this is a non-conference game, a win does not help much in the tiebreakers (unlike yesterday).

If the Steelers win vs StL, but lose at Baltimore,  they will 10-6 with 7 conf wins.  

If Cleve wins out and finish 11-5, they'll wiin the division.   If TN wins out they will be 10-6 and also have 7 conf wins.   They will tied w/ PGH at 2-3 on common opponents (Cin, Jax, Den, NYJ).  The next tiebreak is strength of victory.  Right now TN wins this one.  Depending how the teams beaten by TN and PGH do the next two weeks, this can change,  but chances are TN will win this.  

On the other hand, going 10-6 by losing to StL and beating Balt, does clinch a spot, the 8th conference win being the decider vs Tn if need be."



So, winning Thursday does not clinch a thing, except that we have to win next Sunday. We should be voting to win on Thurs in the sense that it could help get us a home game, but oddly enough it does not significantly increase our playoff chances unless we win vs balty (so long as tenn and cleve win out, which is certainly possible).  
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« Reply #1 on: Dec 17, 2007 at 23:36 »

Winning on Thursday does put increased pressure on Cleveland and Tennessee, though, because they can't afford to lose.  A loss by either does clinch a playoff spot for the PS.

The "choke" preference is obvously to see the Browns tank at Cincy.  The Steelers then get the AFCN and #3 or #4 seed home game and can basically take off a week and a half to get ready for the playoffs.

At this point, just win the friggin' TNF game and see what happens.  If they can't take out the Rams and Ravens, they don't deserve a playoff spot anyway.
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« Reply #2 on: Dec 18, 2007 at 12:28 »

Tenn ends the season at Indy.......as long as they don't rest anyone....I don't see Indy losing at home.
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« Reply #3 on: Dec 18, 2007 at 12:43 »

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Tenn ends the season at Indy.......as long as they don't rest anyone....I don't see Indy losing at home.
I could be wrong, but I don't think Indy will have anything to play for (other than to keep from being rusty) in Week 17.  I could see them resting some starters in the second half, at least.
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« Reply #4 on: Dec 18, 2007 at 15:13 »

You're absolute right, aj, Indy is locked into the #2 slot.  Expect Jim Sorgi early and often in the next two weeks.  
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« Reply #5 on: Dec 18, 2007 at 15:27 »

SING JIM CORGI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #6 on: Dec 18, 2007 at 15:38 »

Ya the more I look at it, the more i think Steelers need to win out to make playoffs....I see them winning the division or out, I really feel that the Titans will win out (colts nothing to play for) and the browns could easily do so as well.
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« Reply #7 on: Dec 18, 2007 at 16:08 »

if i remember correctly, the colts were trying to go perfect and then lost and then sat out all their starters on the last game because they were a lock for the playoffs.  i can't see them diverting from that strategy this year, especially considering they're not the team to beat anymore.

if we don't beat baltimore, we are fucked and don't deserve a playoff spot.  they just got beat by miami for christsakes

 
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« Reply #8 on: Dec 19, 2007 at 00:20 »

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if we don't beat baltimore, we are fucked and don't deserve a playoff spot.  they just got beat by miami for christsakes
And we only beat Miami by 3....


It ain't gonna be easy boys.  Not that I think we'll get anywhere in the playoffs, the way we're playing.

I'm gonna be an apologist.  We suck more than we should, but I think Mikey T is the man for the future, and his learning curve is pretty short.  I'll take this season, and bank on an amazing 2008....

(But like ARE says in his video...we came in as a 6 seed once, and won it all....anything can happen)
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 19, 2007 at 02:22 »

don't get me wrong, i love Tomlin (look at my avatar).  I believe he is the future and a badass to boot.  my good friend who unfortunately is a diehard cinci fan is scared that he will pad up and catch some touchdowns because we're missing a good number 3.  he says it every week, it's funny.

i know we beat miami by 3 but it was also on a shit field.  we were goddamded guaranteed a playoff spot and now....i'm nervous.  baltimore is always tough especially on the road and tennessee, even though we're not playing them directly, always has had our fucking number since they came into the league.  i hate that sunglass wearing bitch Jeff Fischer as much as Jack Del Rio but not as much as Jerry Jones.  and of course, Belechek tops the hate list with his butt boy Brady....

aaaaarrrrrrggghhhhhh

 
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« Reply #10 on: Dec 19, 2007 at 10:55 »

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Ya the more I look at it, the more i think Steelers need to win out to make playoffs....I see them winning the division or out, I really feel that the Titans will win out (colts nothing to play for) and the browns could easily do so as well.
Even if the Titans win out, they're going to need help.  Pittsburgh or Cleveland would have to split their last two and the Titans would have to hang their hopes on tiebreakers.  For Jacksonville to get bounced, they'd have to lose their last two against the Jets and Texans.  Don't see it playing out that way at all.

IMO, I think the playoffs will shake out like this:

(1) Pats
(2) Colts
(3) Steelers
(4) Chargers
(5) Jaguars
(6) Browns

Browns @ Steelers - Man, going 3 for 3 is always tough to do, regardless of opponent, but it's the best possible matchup the Steelers could get.

Jaguars @ Chargers - Don't really care about this game, but IMO, Jaguars would give NE fits in Round 2, assuming Pittsburgh wins their Round 1 matchup.  And, honestly, I think this is the best possible scenario for seeing the Patriots getting bounced.  I think I would root almost as much for Jacksonville to go up to Gillette in January and pound the Pastries into the ground as I would for Pittsburgh to win their game.  Almost.
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« Reply #11 on: Dec 19, 2007 at 10:58 »

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Jaguars @ Chargers - Don't really care about this game, but IMO, Jaguars would give NE fits in Round 2, assuming Pittsburgh wins their Round 1 matchup.  And, honestly, I think this is the best possible scenario for seeing the Patriots getting bounced.  I think I would root almost as much for Jacksonville to go up to Gillette in January and pound the Pastries into the ground as I would for Pittsburgh to win their game.  Almost.
Good point!

Man, I would love to see Jax play NE....
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« Reply #12 on: Dec 19, 2007 at 11:02 »

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IMO, I think the playoffs will shake out like this:

(1) Pats
(2) Colts
(3) Steelers
(4) Chargers
(5) Jaguars
(6) Browns
I am not convinced that the Steelers will win out or make the playoffs.  I certainly don't see them jumping San Diego... Clearly you see the Steelers winning out and then San Diego dropping one.  Which one of their remaining games would that be?  

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« Reply #13 on: Dec 19, 2007 at 11:14 »

Bolts leapfrogged us to #3 seed, I think by virtue of a better AFC record (we're both 9-5, but they're 7-3 AFC, we're 7-4).  

Of the teams now sitting in the AFC seeding below Indy:

Pitt @ St. Lou - Good God, we had better win this.
Oak @ Jax - Jax.  
Cleve @ Cinci - Cinci sucks, but it's a rivalry game.
Denver @ SD - Denver sucks, but it's a rivalry game.

Then:

Pitt @ Balty - Balty sucks, etc.
Jax @ Houston - Possible upset, but not betting on it.
SF @ Cleve - Cleve.
SD @ Oak - SD.

Not a ton of upsets brewing, IMO.

So if the seeding holds, the WC matchups are Jax @ Pitt, and Cleve @ SD.  Unless we suddenly get a whole lot better, Jax has to be the prohibitive favorite.  SD should take care of Cleveland.  Jax @ NE and SD @ Indy follows.

 
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« Reply #14 on: Dec 19, 2007 at 11:19 »

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IMO, I think the playoffs will shake out like this:

(1) Pats
(2) Colts
(3) Steelers
(4) Chargers
(5) Jaguars
(6) Browns
I am not convinced that the Steelers will win out or make the playoffs.  I certainly don't see them jumping San Diego... Clearly you see the Steelers winning out and then San Diego dropping one.  Which one of their remaining games would that be?  

PUMA
Shit.

My mistake, forgot that a tie between two clubs from different divisions goes to conference record, not division record, after H2H matchup record.

Fuck.  That changes things, a lot.

Well, Denver @ San Diego on MNF next week.  Two Jekyl & Hyde teams.  Let's hope this is Denver's week "on."
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« Reply #15 on: Dec 19, 2007 at 11:26 »

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Cleve @ Cinci - Cinci sucks, but it's a rivalry game.
 
Geez, a couple weeks ago, I was pulling for Baltimore.  Now, it's Cincy.

*shiver*

I feel like I just stepped in shit...with both feet.

I doubt they'll show any heart though, but maybe they can pull out a win in a shootout?

 
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« Reply #16 on: Dec 19, 2007 at 11:44 »

Marvin Lewis is basically Brian Billick.  Can't control a bunch of thugs.  Rarely play to potential.  A guy who's much less than advertised.

Still, I gotta jump into the shit and root for them, too.  Sad, to have to hope we get into the playoffs by default, rather than taking care of business.

Cards?  Broncos?  Jets?  Jesus.
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« Reply #17 on: Dec 19, 2007 at 11:56 »

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Cleve @ Cinci - Cinci sucks, but it's a rivalry game.
 
...I doubt they'll show any heart though, but maybe they can pull out a win in a shootout?
Maybe.  Cleveland doesn't have much of a defense, either.  Let's hope for a nice sunny day with no wind.  Maybe that will bring out a few Bungle fans as well.
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« Reply #18 on: Dec 19, 2007 at 16:21 »

I believe the Steelers make the playoffs just so they beat Baltimore in week 17, as that would give them the tie breaker over the Titans.

Still, let's not worry about that and just win both of them so I can go to another game this year.
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« Reply #19 on: Dec 19, 2007 at 16:23 »

And I see that point was already made in the original post.

I'm an idiot.
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« Reply #20 on: Dec 19, 2007 at 21:40 »

Speaking of ignorance, what's that "0% warn" under my profile and avatar?  If I agree that DJF is an idiot, do I get 20% bonus warning points for that?

FWIW, I also blew by that blurb about the Titans early on.

 
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« Reply #21 on: Dec 19, 2007 at 21:52 »

Guys, I have started to feel good about this game against the Rams. However, I must admit I had a dream the other night of the Steelers losing on a last second field goal 16-13 to the ravens. I hope that is not a bad omen. I just have the worst feeling that Pitt gets to 10 and 6 after tomorrow, but misses the playoffs because tenn and cleve win out. I know, I know, if they cannot beat the ratturds, they don't deserve the playoffs. Having said that, missing out and being 10-6 would reallllllly hurt. I just keep thinking how hard it is to go 6-0 in their division, and i could see the ravens playing the Steelers the same way they played the patsies....TOUGH.

FWIW, I am rooting HARD for a Bengal win on sunday, I really feel that is the only potential 'L' in the four games for cleve and tenn.....GO STEELERS!!!!!
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« Reply #22 on: Dec 20, 2007 at 07:09 »

Normally, I'd agree about the Ravens, but this year seems different. They have major problems in many areas, and are hurting talent-wise.

If that game is significant for us, we should beat the Ravens by 20, with ease. I'm very confident about the Baltimore game.

I'm less confident about St. Louis, actually. They're a dome team, they're unfamiliar to us, and those conditions may throw the Steelers off a little bit. Add to that a short week that makes it almost impossible to really customize a gameplan against the Rams and you have what I expect to be a close game.
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