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« on: Dec 20, 2007 at 22:54 »

This one is probably going to get me bent over and banged here, but I must continue.

Although Parker's injury is an untimely tragedy, especially with him having a shot at the NFL rushing title, having Najei Davenport as our feature back from here on out may give us a better shot against AFC heavyweights like Jacksonville and New England in the playoffs.

Parker torched both teams when fucking Arians actually gave him the ball this year, but during the playoffs, especially in cold weather cities like Pittsburgh and Foxborough, defenses tend to tighten up against the run.

A large-bodied grinder like Davenport may be better suited to getting the short yards that move the chains over a faster finesse guy like Parker.  I love Willie, but if the holes aren't there, he often times has trouble getting back to the line of scrimmage.  

I'll publicly apologize for being a dumbass if Davenport bombs, but I think there's a very good chance us fans- and the Steelers' upcoming opponents- could be seriously surprised at how effective our running game still is with Najei carrying the loaf.  The change could gear us better during our playoff run, however long or short that may be.


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« Reply #1 on: Dec 20, 2007 at 23:01 »

I simply cannot fathom why so many people cannot wait to replace the NFL's leading rusher.  No, he is not Jerome Bettis.  But who is?  Stop wishing for something that doesn't exist, and pray that FWP makes a complete recovery.
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« Reply #2 on: Dec 20, 2007 at 23:05 »

yeah, it could be a small blessing in disguise to give dookie a chance to shine against some heavy D lines...but sure as hell leaves no depth what-so-ever!

but dookie will get shit down just as much as Willie did against the big boys, so unno.  Dont know about the rest of yinzers, but i wouldnt mind seeing Ben chucking the rock ala Tom Brady and the Patriots throughout the playoffs.

I think Ben has proven that he can make sound decisions this year, so why the hell not?
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« Reply #3 on: Dec 20, 2007 at 23:06 »

Willie's great, love him, but he's not irreplaceable. He's a running back. They grow on trees. Besides, put it in Ben's hands.
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« Reply #4 on: Dec 20, 2007 at 23:13 »

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There's a difference between wanting a guy to fail/be injured, and trying to find a positive spin on something when he goes down.

I hated seeing Parker get hurt, and frankly, if it was between the Steelers losing in the 2nd round of the playoffs without him, or losing in the 1st round but having him win the rushing title, I'd probably take the latter of the two for Willie's sake.

I simply think this could make us better suited against the PLAYOFF-defenses in the upcoming weeks.

Parker was a great regular season running back, and I'd frankly love to have both he and Najei running together in the playoffs.

But I think being forced to have Davenport- especially since his legs are fairly fresh from not being run much this year- could be a pleasant surprise.


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« Reply #5 on: Dec 20, 2007 at 23:19 »

Bullocks.....You have been hanging out at Barney's and the Dampkring too much.
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« Reply #6 on: Dec 20, 2007 at 23:20 »

I don't think the running back is going to make any difference in the playoffs, assuming we get in. It'll all come down to whether or not we protect seven and let him take over games like he did in the '05 playoffs.

I know people don't like looking back at '05 as a comparison because it was such an improbable - AND AWESOME! - run, but here's what the Steelers did rushing in each game:

Cincy: 144 (204 passing)
Indy:  112 (183 passing)
Denver: 90 (268 passing)
Seattle 181 (158 passing) - Keep in mind, 76 of those yards came on one run from Willie.

So, I think it's all going to come down to how far Ben takes us, or, more accurately, how far the offensive line allows him to take us.



 
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« Reply #7 on: Dec 20, 2007 at 23:21 »

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I really dont see dookie being that big a factor more than Willie ever could of in the 2nd season.  Bettis never had a great day in the playoffs against tough teams either.

it all comes down coaching and making adjustments throughout the game.  make no mistakes about it...every team we play in the playoffs will STOP the steeler run game first and foremost.  just becasue Tomlin is running the show now will not make teams play us any differently.

the key to a successfull running game is opening it up through ben's arm.

Lets just hope BA and Tomlin are up to the challenge.  Im sure Tomlin is...
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« Reply #8 on: Dec 20, 2007 at 23:39 »

The entire premise of this thread is absurd.  We are a worse team without #39.    


 
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 20, 2007 at 23:52 »

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The entire premise of this thread is absurd.  We are a worse team without #39.
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The two things Najeh has going for him is his size and his patience. The only reason I say patience is that Willie is so fast and he wants to get going so badly, that he just scoots right into the back of an O lineman. I swear if he runs in place for half a second, the holes would develop and then goes he accelerate for 5 yards. Or if BA would call off-tackle runs instead of having Wille run into Mahan while he is inevitably driven backwards. Willie just isn't an in-between the tackle kind of guy.
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« Reply #10 on: Dec 21, 2007 at 00:24 »

This is a joke right??? Ok w/out Parker that takes away the playaction pass. Davenport will not be able to carry the load for a full game. What if Davenport gets hurt???? Verron Haynes (a guy out of football)??? Only in Pgh would fans say it might be a good thing to lose the NFL's leading rusher. When are people gonna start calling Madden or Benz to ask if resigning Bettis is the answer?
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« Reply #11 on: Dec 21, 2007 at 00:28 »

People in Pgh have this fantasy that any lard ass runner over 260 lbs is the next Jerome Bettis. We could draft Walter Payton and fans here would want him to gain 60 lbs so he could be a "smash mouth" runner. Davenport doesnt even run big. He runs straight up and down so thats why he doesnt get those extra couple yards everytime like Bettis used to get. The Steelers are now a 1 dimensional team. We better hope BOTH Tenn and Cle lose next week because the Ravens game got that much tougher w/out a running game.
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« Reply #12 on: Dec 21, 2007 at 06:23 »

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People in Pgh have this fantasy that any lard ass runner over 260 lbs is the next Jerome Bettis. We could draft Walter Payton and fans here would want him to gain 60 lbs so he could be a "smash mouth" runner. Davenport doesnt even run big. He runs straight up and down so thats why he doesnt get those extra couple yards everytime like Bettis used to get. The Steelers are now a 1 dimensional team. We better hope BOTH Tenn and Cle lose next week because the Ravens game got that much tougher w/out a running game.
I agree with you Jason. I like Dookie, I do, and he may be a "big back", but he doesn't run like a big back. He goes down quite easily. FWP will be missed. The only upside is that maybe that kid from Minnysota gets to shine. I think he is going to be another gem. Get well soon Willie!
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« Reply #13 on: Dec 21, 2007 at 06:49 »

For those who want a big back.....

DARFT OWNE SHMITT!!!!!!!111
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« Reply #14 on: Dec 21, 2007 at 07:27 »

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I agree with you Jason. I like Dookie, I do, and he may be a "big back", but he doesn't run like a big back. He goes down quite easily. FWP will be missed. The only upside is that maybe that kid from Minnysota gets to shine. I think he is going to be another gem. Get well soon Willie!

My suggestion would be to start Gary Russell and keep Najeh in the 3rd down role but rotate Russell and Davenport a little more often to keep both fresh. I just don't think Davenport is in condition to play an entire game as the lone starter. For crying out loud, he injured his foot while riding a stationary bike in an attempt to keep his weight down. I've never heard of a halfback having to "slim down" mid-season. Even Bettis managed his weight during the season.

Willie will be missed. Just how much remains to be seen. Having lost a key member of the defense and now the offense, I just Tomlin/Arians can make the proper adjustments.
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« Reply #15 on: Dec 21, 2007 at 07:40 »

I think WiH's post has more to do with frustration over the team's unwillingness to use its assets than it does with saying that "we're better off without Willie."

This team is stubborn about:
- Using FWP almost exclusively, when it's clear that Davenport and even Davis have some skills to contribute to the O
- Exposing Ben to as much injury risk as possible (though some of it's on him, his own stubborness)

That's how I read it anyway, and that's my 2 cents in any event. No, we're def not better off without Willie. But on the other hand, we underuse our RB depth.

Like DJF says, it's Ben's team, RB is the most replaceable position (even though Willie is one of a kind), and even the wonderful '05 run had way more to do with Ben than any RB. Our O-line was, in my view, overrated even then.

In good news, Willie just broke a bone, right? No ligament stuff? Bones heal.
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I agree with you Jason. I like Dookie, I do, and he may be a "big back", but he doesn't run like a big back. He goes down quite easily. FWP will be missed. The only upside is that maybe that kid from Minnysota gets to shine. I think he is going to be another gem. Get well soon Willie!

My suggestion would be to start Gary Russell and keep Najeh in the 3rd down role but rotate Russell and Davenport a little more often to keep both fresh. I just don't think Davenport is in condition to play an entire game as the lone starter. For crying out loud, he injured his foot while riding a stationary bike in an attempt to keep his weight down. I've never heard of a halfback having to "slim down" mid-season. Even Bettis managed his weight during the season.

Willie will be missed. Just how much remains to be seen. Having lost a key member of the defense and now the offense, I just Tomlin/Arians can make the proper adjustments.
I'll reverse that.  Give Dookie the load, he's more game-ready.  But let's get a real good look at Russell, finally, please.  I think he could be a tremendous asset to this team, but we need to see him in real game-time play, consistently.

And frankly, I thought Davis played pertty well recently.  He's no Kreider, nor is Dookie Willie, but in his role he's seemed to pick things up of late.  Some great special teams play, some decent lead blocking, and whatever run and catch BA calls for him.  I'd like to see some plays with 38 and 44 in the backfield where the handoff goes to 38 and he catches D's by surprise.
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I think WiH's post has more to do with frustration over the team's unwillingness to use its assets than it does with saying that "we're better off without Willie."

This team is stubborn about:
- Using FWP almost exclusively, when it's clear that Davenport and even Davis have some skills to contribute to the O
- Exposing Ben to as much injury risk as possible (though some of it's on him, his own stubborness)

That's how I read it anyway, and that's my 2 cents in any event. No, we're def not better off without Willie. But on the other hand, we underuse our RB depth.

Like DJF says, it's Ben's team, RB is the most replaceable position (even though Willie is one of a kind), and even the wonderful '05 run had way more to do with Ben than any RB. Our O-line was, in my view, overrated even then.

In good news, Willie just broke a bone, right? No ligament stuff? Bones heal.
Agree with all that.  And a broken fibula, IMO, is better than a torn ligament: speed's Willie's bread and butter, and a bone can heal cleanly and completely.  He should be fine next year.  Didn't look like a horrendous break.
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« Reply #18 on: Dec 21, 2007 at 07:59 »

Losing FWP is not good.  Never could be.

But I get what WiH is saying....Parker's best asset, his speed, works well on turf and during the warmer months of the year.  But in the mush and slop of January post-season football, Parker is going to have a difficult time hitting the corner for much gain.

What you would prefer is to have both guys available.  Davenport is no Bettis.  Not close.  He isn't a good short yardage guy.  I think he is good enough to step in and get 4.2+ YPC.  And it will be off of consistent 4-6 yard running plays.  

Moreso than Davenport, if healthy, it will be nice to have Haynes back on 3rd down for pass pro.  He's better at pass pro than RB/FB we've had on the roster this year.

Do I want Haynes back at the cost of Parker?  That seems a silly question.  Though, looking at the pass pro last night, we could easily be without Ben going into the playoffs if the IOL play continues as it has.  

Interesting scenario....would you rather have FWP available for the playoffs or lose FWP to injury, sign Haynes for improved pass pro on 3rd down, and have Ben better protected?  I dunno, maybe it's a stupid scenario.  
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« Reply #19 on: Dec 21, 2007 at 08:05 »

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Yes.

The main reason I'm rooting for a Cinci win against the Browns -- we could rest Ben, Hines, Harrison, Haggans, other beat-up players, and give a bunch of young guys a look against B-more:

Russell
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This isn't to say the playoffs themselves wouldn't be nice, but more as a notch on the team's belt. This team isn't going anywhere in the playoffs, and I don't mean for that to sound defeatist. I'll root my ass off for them in the second season.

But: This isn't 2005. In 2005, we were an elite-level team that was the 6th seed only by virtue of Ben missing some critical games. We weren't some fluke that got hot at the right time, like the Browns would be this year if they won the Super Bowl, or the Vikings. We were more like what the Pats or Colts would be this year if they'd lost their QBs for any length of time.

This team has big  problems (most of which are fixable in one offseason), but could win a division anyway. That's mostly damn good news for the future.
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« Reply #20 on: Dec 21, 2007 at 08:12 »

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Interesting scenario....would you rather have FWP available for the playoffs or lose FWP to injury, sign Haynes for improved pass pro on 3rd down, and have Ben better protected? I dunno, maybe it's a stupid scenario.

There are no stupid questions, unless they are asked by timmons=lloyd.

Seriously, I just don't know that you could even begin to answer that.  I agree that, in the playoffs, Ben is going to have to be the man if we are to have ANY shot at all, just as he was the man last night.  The one thing that I did notice was that he had a look on his face like he was kind of pissed.  Perhaps the look of, "Uh, could you please BLOCK a little up there?"

While I can't agree with the general concept of the post--NO WAY is FWP going down a good thing--I hear what WiH is saying.  If we HAVE to lose him, what is the upside?  Najeh is actually a better every-down runner than short-yardage, so maybe he can do okay.  Not a breaker like FWP, but can do okay as an every-down runner.  I think he's better in that role than as a 3rd down back or a short-yardage guy.

Notable on the play Willie got hurt:  Miller is behind the guy he's blocking, Colon and Davis are throwing some kind of side body blocks, and Mahan is blocking no one.

I also found it interesting that, late in the game, after Woodley got a great pressure on the QB, they took him out.  Why?
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Yes.

The main reason I'm rooting for a Cinci win against the Browns -- we could rest Ben, Hines, Harrison, Haggans, other beat-up players, and give a bunch of young guys a look against B-more:

Russell
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Woodley
Gay
Kemoteau

This isn't to say the playoffs themselves wouldn't be nice, but more as a notch on the team's belt. This team isn't going anywhere in the playoffs, and I don't mean for that to sound defeatist. I'll root my ass off for them in the second season.

But: This isn't 2005. In 2005, we were an elite-level team that was the 6th seed only by virtue of Ben missing some critical games. We weren't some fluke that got hot at the right time, like the Browns would be this year if they won the Super Bowl, or the Vikings. We were more like what the Pats or Colts would be this year if they'd lost their QBs for any length of time.

This team has big  problems (most of which are fixable in one offseason), but could win a division anyway. That's mostly damn good news for the future.
Herc, I'm gonna ditto a whole post of yours again.  I am by no means saying that the Super Bowl is out of the question, but I agree on the fundamental difference between the '05 and '07 teams.  On one hand, I want to play TO WIN THE GAME, and on the other I want to test the waters for a more realistic '08 shot.  The way you do both, IMO, is to play guys as you mentioned versus Balty, and then the ones that show something get some rotation time in the playoffs.  

If Russell is the shit, or if Woodley looks like a starter, then teams won't have much book on them.  That's a small advantage that might counter their inexperience.  In any event, I don't think we'd be sabotaging a playoff run giving a few guys some looks even in the playoffs.
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« Reply #22 on: Dec 21, 2007 at 08:14 »

Davenport did exactly what a backup is supposed to do; come in and pick the team up when starters go down.  Batch has done it with regularity.  The question becomes, can the backup continue to perform for several weeks in a row once opponents have had a good look at him on tape?  Remains to be seen.

I will say that our offense looked a whole lot like the Bettis years, especially in the second half.  No big runs, but no zero or negative plays.  It was 3-7 yards just about every time.  

Another advantage to bringing Haynes back; we may actually be able to get Heath out on a pass pattern once in a while, instead of keeping him in to help out the porous Oline.

In yet another example of the idiocy of announcers, when Davenport came in for Parker, the opinion was that we'd miss Willie in the passing game.  Has FWP had an impact play on a reception?  Meanwhile, Dookie has at least 2 recieving TDs now.  I think he's actually the more effective reciever of the two.
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Another advantage to bringing Haynes back; we may actually be able to get Heath out on a pass pattern once in a while, instead of keeping him in to help out the porous Oline.

In yet another example of the idiocy of announcers, when Davenport came in for Parker, the opinion was that we'd miss Willie in the passing game.  Has FWP had an impact play on a reception?  Meanwhile, Dookie has at least 2 recieving TDs now.  I think he's actually the more effective reciever of the two.
Excellent point on Haynes.  I would definitely consider that move.  

Missed the comment re: the passing game.  Fookin idiots.
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If Russell is the shit, or if Woodley looks like a starter, then teams won't have much book on them.  That's a small advantage that might counter their inexperience.  In any event, I don't think we'd be sabotaging a playoff run giving a few guys some looks even in the playoffs.
Great point.

Why don't teams in the playoffs break out the lesser known stuff on their rosters?

When I think back to the 2004 AFCC, I often wonder why the Steelers didn't break out Willie Parker in that game. The Pats would have been completely unprepared. Yeah, he was green, and I'm not saying he should've been given the ball 20 times, but I bet his speed would have been a shock to New England.

They came out gunning for Bettis in that game -- just like they did in '01. Cowher didn't learn his lesson, I guess.
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I know people don't like looking back at '05 as a comparison because it was such an improbable - AND AWESOME! - run, but here's what the Steelers did rushing in each game:

Cincy: 144 (204 passing)
Indy:  112 (183 passing)
Denver: 90 (268 passing)
Seattle 181 (158 passing) - Keep in mind, 76 of those yards came on one run from Willie.

So, I think it's all going to come down to how far Ben takes us, or, more accurately, how far the offensive line allows him to take us.
1.  I still think that's a significant amount of running yards.  Anytime you can get over 100 yards in the playoffs, you significantly boost your chances of winning.


2.  Our passing game during the '05 run would not have been nearly as effective were it not for the effectiveness of our running game.  That's what made our play actions so damn good.


3.  You also have to admit that even the Colts' '05 offense was not what the Patriots' is now.  They are just on a freakish level.  Controlling the running game is key to keeping their offense off of the field as much as possible.


4.  We simply aren't going to out-pass the Patriots.  We aren't.  We need to have an effective running game against them to open up the pass, which they are best at defending.


Hercules and SCalacki have pretty much hit the nail on the head that I was trying to drive in.  It's not that I don't want Parker here- I'd love to have him back- but Arians/Tomlin/etc. misused the RB resources they had when he was healthy.

Rather than running him on almost every rushing play, I think they would've been most effective if they aimed for an Eric Pegram/Bam Morris type distribution this year.


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« Reply #26 on: Dec 21, 2007 at 09:10 »

I won't plagarize, but Hannibal over at BSG has a thread going on the # of carries Parker is/was up to this year.

So while he was leading the league in total rushing yards, he was well ahead in the # of carries.  

And that's troublesome from the standpoint of wearing a RB down.  Not that the # of carries contributed to last night's injury but it could down the road.  

Maybe not as worrisome as I am in the camp that RBs are easily replaceable, sans the LT/Barry Sanders types.  

Would have been nice to share the carries better.  Maybe next year.
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I know people don't like looking back at '05 as a comparison because it was such an improbable - AND AWESOME! - run, but here's what the Steelers did rushing in each game:

Cincy: 144 (204 passing)
Indy:  112 (183 passing)
Denver: 90 (268 passing)
Seattle 181 (158 passing) - Keep in mind, 76 of those yards came on one run from Willie.

So, I think it's all going to come down to how far Ben takes us, or, more accurately, how far the offensive line allows him to take us.
1.  I still think that's a significant amount of running yards.  Anytime you can get over 100 yards in the playoffs, you significantly boost your chances of winning.

 
I see it differently -- there are exceptions, but usually, it's the winning that comes first, and the large rushing total is an effect of that.

A lot our yards -- definitely during the AFC playoffs -- came when we were running out the clock and pounding the defense.
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« Reply #28 on: Dec 21, 2007 at 09:45 »

I see the point that WiH is trying to make in the OP.  However, I don't think I would classify losing one of your best offensive weapons as a "blessing."  

Pittsburgh was crazy thin at RB to begin with and now they've got one, single guy on the roster with any significant NFL experience as they head into the playoffs.  And, oh, BTW, that guy is a little nicked up and has a history of getting injured when he's relied on to carry the load.  Behind him, you've got a hybrid RB/FB rook in Davis and a player that's totally green in Russell.  

Haynes?  I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't feel supremely confident that a guy that's been sittin' around waiting for a phone call from some team is going to hit the ground running and be in NFL shape late in December.  Don't expect #34 to just put on the uniform and be what he was before he was cut.

So, long and short of it, it's #44 and #38 for the remainder.  Regardless of whether those guys match up better against teams they might face in the playoffs, I would prefer to have every offensive weapon at my disposal.  Not having #39 available definitely puts them at a disadvantage.
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Haynes? I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't feel supremely confident that a guy that's been sittin' around waiting for a phone call from some team is going to hit the ground running and be in NFL shape late in December.

I don't think you could ask him to carry the load if Dookie got hurt, but I suspect he could fill in.  He knows the system, and while he hasn't been on a team, these guys tend to keep themselves in shape just in case they get a call.

I think we could get 20 plays out of him.  1-2 carries, 1 reception, but mainly pass blocking.
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see it differently -- there are exceptions, but usually, it's the winning that comes first, and the large rushing total is an effect of that.

A lot our yards -- definitely during the AFC playoffs -- came when we were running out the clock and pounding the defense.


Bingo.
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The entire premise of this thread is absurd. We are a worse team without #39.

Absolutely. Abject insanity throughout the thread.  
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« Reply #33 on: Dec 22, 2007 at 13:26 »

FWP is leading the NFL in rushing because Peterson has missed several games due to injury and Norm is an idiot for only giving th eball to LT 8-10 times per game.

Willie going down isn't something to wish for, but look at some of our recent games vs Rams game.  Willie getting 0 to -2 per carry against teams like Patriots and Jags absolutely kills the Defense.  Because Arians runs on 1st and 2nd downs, a lot, and passes on 3rd and 12, on obvious passing downs, we have a lot of drives that are 3 and out or we get one or two 1st downs.  I also realize the Rams defense is different that the last two teams we have played, but Dookie getting 3-4 yards and falling forward on every play is better than Willie getting stuffed, and breaking a 12 yarder on every 15th carry.  Our Defense needs some rest in the 2nd half, since they let opponents consistently drive the field.  That is the only reason the Jags scored at the end of the game, IMO, because the D was dog tired and the O wasn't on the field for any length of time.

Arians has to use Dookie more, early in the game, and then Parker will be more successful later in the game.    
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This is a joke right??? Ok w/out Parker that takes away the playaction pass. Davenport will not be able to carry the load for a full game. What if Davenport gets hurt???? Verron Haynes (a guy out of football)??? Only in Pgh would fans say it might be a good thing to lose the NFL's leading rusher. When are people gonna start calling Madden or Benz to ask if resigning Bettis is the answer?
all right im sorry..but that my friend was a dumb comment. Parker is the one who hasnt held the load as well. With as many carries as Parker has had he better have the most yrds. His yards per carry are not as good as Davenport. If you remember Davis was there for Davenport.  Parker tends to get nothing..then neg...then hell have some great breakaway run.  The one thing that upsets me about losing Parker is that we cant mix it up as much.  
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With as many carries as Parker has had he better have the most yrds. His yards per carry are not as good as Davenport.

I just do not understand this.  Why are people so down on a guy who is leading the NFL in rushing?  I just cannot for the life of me figure out the negative attitude towards FWP.  This guy has done nothing but work his butt off and exceed expectations since the day he arrived up to and including the play where he got hurt.  If you want to know why he sometimes goes down in the backfield, check my earlier post about what some "blockers" were doing when Willie got hurt.

As for the YPC, Willie is still averaging 4.1.  It could be said that Davenport's YPC is just as skewed with some big runs as Willie's is.  I think Davenport will be okay, but...let me just say that I'm not glad at all that Willie is gone for the year.  I don't think this helps us at all, it basically hurts us.  Badly, IMO.
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« Reply #36 on: Dec 23, 2007 at 03:13 »

I don't understand, either.  If they could do a tape rewind and substitute Dookie for FWP for all 320 carries this year, would he have more yards?  Assuming that Davenport would actually hold up under that load (I doubt it), he probably would not be anywhere near FWP's total.

Now you could argue that the Steelers should have run Dookie more and Willie less, but that's not the same thing as saying that FWP shouldn't be playing at all.
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Now you could argue that the Steelers should have run Dookie more and Willie less, but that's not the same thing as saying that FWP shouldn't be playing at all.
Not like Willie's workload should have been a surprise, either.  "We're going to run him until the wheels come off" was Tomlin's line comng out of camp.

 
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With as many carries as Parker has had he better have the most yrds. His yards per carry are not as good as Davenport.

I just do not understand this.  Why are people so down on a guy who is leading the NFL in rushing?  I just cannot for the life of me figure out the negative attitude towards FWP.  This guy has done nothing but work his butt off and exceed expectations since the day he arrived up to and including the play where he got hurt.  If you want to know why he sometimes goes down in the backfield, check my earlier post about what some "blockers" were doing when Willie got hurt.

As for the YPC, Willie is still averaging 4.1.  It could be said that Davenport's YPC is just as skewed with some big runs as Willie's is.  I think Davenport will be okay, but...let me just say that I'm not glad at all that Willie is gone for the year.  I don't think this helps us at all, it basically hurts us.  Badly, IMO.
I agree..Dookie YPC is higher because of some meaningless 3rd down runs and cleaning up in slop time early in the season. If he was the full time starter since week 1, there is no way in hell he would be leading the league in yards going into week 15. And Davenport is not starter quality durable. He has had injury problems most of his career.....FWP is by far the best RB on the roster, and no one would be talking this shit if he had a decent OL and had like 2000 yards...FWP you the man! Get well soon and we'll see ya next year.
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« Reply #39 on: Dec 23, 2007 at 09:00 »

man, this thread sure got out of hand quickly..didnt eh?  We are a weaker team without Parker...PERIOD.   did anyone catch the very next play after willie went down?  it was the same gawdamn play and Dookie lost even more yards than willie did.

Arians is shit...the O line plays like garbage half the time.  that is the reason for FWP's 4.1 average.  its not because he cant, its because he is NOT ABLE to.   in spite of all Willie goes up against, he still lead the league in rushing and had a DECENT average.

and Dookie sure as shit cant do any better either...and he NEVER will be the BUS.
 
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« Reply #40 on: Dec 23, 2007 at 09:32 »

Back in 02 Bettis had a 3.6 ypc, and there were a lot of people clamoring for Zereoue to start over Bettis, based on his 5ypc, ripping off 8 yard draws on 3rd and 10.  Bettis got hurt in the Indy game and fans got their wish.  Zereoue closed the show with a 3.3 ypc, deflating his 5ypc down to 3.9 by year's end.  Looking at YPC without factoring the situations they come from is silly.  Otherwise, might as well make Ben their feature back.  He'd own the single season rushing record if he got all of Parker's carries.

Fwiw, both this year and for his career, Dookie has a higher rate of negative plays than Parker.
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Not like Willie's workload should have been a surprise, either.  "We're going to run him until the wheels come off" was Tomlin's line comng out of camp.

Mission accomplished, Tomlin.

While Parker's injury was from a sort of freak tackle, I still think we would've been an overall better team had Tomlin/Arians mixed it up more with Parker and Davenport.

And jacksplat?  For the love of all that is good and pure, find me one place in this thread where any one poster says it's better that Parker is now injured and unable to play with the team.

Often people that disagree tend to over-exaggerate their opponents' point of view to make their own reasoning look more realistic.


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« Reply #42 on: Dec 23, 2007 at 12:39 »

I don't really understand where people are getting the idea that Davenport is such a bruising running back??  Honestly, I think the guy runs like a total panzy for his size.  I think that people have the idea that Davenport is a bruiser just on his size alone.  I really do feel that Willie is more bruising than Najei.  Not that either are overwhelmingly powerful....  

I do however, like the way Najei returns kickoffs.  He shows less speed than Rossum, but he shows better vision, and patience.

Steelers with 39 >>>> Steelers w/out 39

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« Reply #43 on: Dec 23, 2007 at 12:45 »

You are an idiot.  

I don't think anyone here is saying that the Steelers are a better team without Parker.  

I simply like the fact that his absence will force the team into running Davenport, and I think he could be the type of back we need to do well during the playoffs.  He would not have gotten that chance if Parker was still here.


Honestly, I think the guy runs like a total panzy for his size.

Honestly, the fact that he has the highest % of successful 1st downs on 3rd/4th and short in the NFL totally refutes your gumption.


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Honestly, the fact that he has the highest % of successful 1st downs on 3rd/4th and short in the NFL totally refutes your gumption.


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Am I the only person that was surprised as shit to see those stats when they showed them about Davenport statistically being the number one back on short yardage?  

And fuck yourself.  I don't think he runs hard.
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« Reply #45 on: Dec 23, 2007 at 16:33 »

Najeh is not a bruising type of back UNTIL he gets a head of steam and is into the "next level." He does not run low, and usually hits the line high.  He doesn't punish anyone in short yardage.

He is not, however, a pussy. He just has to run high to be effective, which, in my opinion, does limit his all-around running ability. Since our O-line sucks, if he has anyone in his face in the backfield, we will be screwed. Ironically, he probably isn't going to run as good between the tackles as did FWP -- at least, not behind this shitty line.  He has down well running around end, etc.

He has had a tendency to go over the top to get first downs and TD's (even when Kemo came in to plow a nice hole for him last week). My concern is that playoff opponents will note this tendency and he will get stopped on an important play in the next few weeks.  
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« Reply #46 on: Dec 23, 2007 at 16:38 »

I'm still shocked Davenport has that percentage, mainly because he was abysmal in the same situations last year. And I agree that he's not a power runner.

That said, I stick with that I said earlier - or in another thread, I can't keep track - the playoffs aren't going to come down to the running back.........they're going to come down  to Marvell Smith, Alan Faneca, Sean Mahan, Kendall Simmons, Willie Colon, and Max Starks.
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the playoffs aren't going to come down to the running back.........they're going to come down  to Marvell Smith, Alan Faneca, Sean Mahan, Kendall Simmons, Willie Colon, and Max Starks.
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