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« Reply #10 on: Jan 03, 2008 at 10:48 »

I disagree with the "just catch the ball mentality".  Our PR and KR return teams rank among the worst in the NFL (again).  We consistently have to deal with longer fields than just about anyone in the NFL.  Over time this becomes a bigger and bigger problem, and it ultimately causes just as many losses as does fumbles - its just less dramatic and less noticable.

Moreover, we, the fans, do not help the situation whenever someone goes back to return punts or kicks.  We hold our breath - you can virtually feel the tenseness in the air.  We boo.  We have killed off multiple 25 year old and under returners over just the past two years alone because we are not patient enough to allow whichever kid to work through his transition to NFL return duty.

Yes, they should be immune to fan to fan pressures, but the reailty is that anyone will begin to notice.  They get tenser.  They make mistakes.  How would you do if your boss just wtached you all day, hovering, waiting for you to make a mistake so he could rip your head off?  My boss is like that sometimes, and as a result people keep jumping out windows to find new jobs.

We need to give one of the kids the time and space to learn the job and its pressures.  Maybe that was the point of Rossum - to give that time and space to Reid.  I am also not arguing that Reid (or whomever) should be given forever to work through whatever issues, Reid's time is clearly almost up.  But I do think that we need to back off a bit and accept the fact that no matter who is back returning, there will be mistakes, there will be fumbles, and that just as your typical young QB, DB, or whomever is going to make mistakes (and grow from them), so to do the return game specialists.  We need to back off on this issue.
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« Reply #11 on: Jan 03, 2008 at 11:44 »

I understand your post, jcharding, and would agree if we were talking about a position like, say, punter.  Or quarterback, or wide receiver or safety.  That is to say, spots where you're hopefully grooming somebody for a six, eight, ten year career.  Then you take a year's worth of limited playing time and lumps, because over time that investment will be repaid.  

But kr/pr is a position guys tend to hold for what?  Two, three years max.  Makes it seem like little ROI.  Get a damn guy who can catch the ball and head upfield.  Wily vet, hotshot rook, recycled veteran, I don't care.
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« Reply #12 on: Jan 03, 2008 at 11:54 »

I agree with Pens.  

And sadly, I haven't seen much from 15 as a WR, either.  
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« Reply #13 on: Jan 03, 2008 at 12:58 »

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Which is why I don't understand why they didn't go after Tim Dwight earlier this year when he was available.  Rossum was slightly better, but he's no Dwight.  Plus, Dwight could actually play 4th or 5th WR if need be.
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« Reply #14 on: Jan 03, 2008 at 16:26 »

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I disagree with the "just catch the ball mentality".  Our PR and KR return teams rank among the worst in the NFL (again).  We consistently have to deal with longer fields than just about anyone in the NFL.  Over time this becomes a bigger and bigger problem, and it ultimately causes just as many losses as does fumbles - its just less dramatic and less noticable.

Moreover, we, the fans, do not help the situation whenever someone goes back to return punts or kicks.  We hold our breath - you can virtually feel the tenseness in the air.  We boo.  We have killed off multiple 25 year old and under returners over just the past two years alone because we are not patient enough to allow whichever kid to work through his transition to NFL return duty.

Yes, they should be immune to fan to fan pressures, but the reailty is that anyone will begin to notice.  They get tenser.  They make mistakes.  How would you do if your boss just wtached you all day, hovering, waiting for you to make a mistake so he could rip your head off?  My boss is like that sometimes, and as a result people keep jumping out windows to find new jobs.

We need to give one of the kids the time and space to learn the job and its pressures.  Maybe that was the point of Rossum - to give that time and space to Reid.  I am also not arguing that Reid (or whomever) should be given forever to work through whatever issues, Reid's time is clearly almost up.  But I do think that we need to back off a bit and accept the fact that no matter who is back returning, there will be mistakes, there will be fumbles, and that just as your typical young QB, DB, or whomever is going to make mistakes (and grow from them), so to do the return game specialists.  We need to back off on this issue.
I may be wrong, but wasn't Devon Hester, the best returner in the league (maybe in the history of the league), a rookie last year? And as a rookie, I believe he set the record for most returns for touchdowns, which he again broke this year. He didn't need a year or 2 to develop. I think returning is something a player is either really good at, or they just suck at it. Its just something that's hard to teach how to do.  

Also, I think Cleveland's Joshua Cribbs is only in his 2nd or 3rd year in the league.  
 
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« Reply #15 on: Jan 04, 2008 at 11:22 »

Not everyone develops at the same rate.  Dante Hall did virtually nothing his first two years as a PR/KR.   He exploded in year 3.
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« Reply #16 on: Jan 04, 2008 at 11:49 »

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That may be true, but he never handled the rock like it was nuclear.  Plus, the dude's got no wiggle.  He's all straight line speed.

IMO, he's a no brainer cut.  If it were earlier in the season, I doubt he would've still been on the roster Monday morning.
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« Reply #17 on: Jan 04, 2008 at 11:54 »

On many levels I don't disagree.

On the other hand I think we have been doing him and others a grave disservice with "fandoms approach to returning", and I fear (more than any other cut in my Steeler lifetime of over 30+ years) that this is going to come back and bite us in the ass.
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« Reply #18 on: Jan 04, 2008 at 13:03 »

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I fear (more than any other cut in my Steeler lifetime of over 30+ years) that this is going to come back and bite us in the ass.

I am not a "Reid needs cut now" guy but I can't help but think this is the most overly dramatic statement I have read in long time. As a returner he has showed absolutely nothing in any opportunity he has had. All I heard was how electric this cat was but I have not seen him make one single guy miss. That right there tells me he doesn't have it.

Not.One.Single.Guy.

We can't even discuss him as a receiver. In a season where Hines and Santonio have missed a good amount of time, he has only managed 4 catches? He could barely get on the field in those games.
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« Reply #19 on: Jan 04, 2008 at 13:05 »

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I fear (more than any other cut in my Steeler lifetime of over 30+ years) that this is going to come back and bite us in the ass.

I am not a "Reid needs cut now" guy but I can't help but think this is the most overly dramatic statement I have read in long time. As a returner he has showed absolutely nothing in any opportunity he has had. All I heard was how electric this cat was but I have not seen him make one single guy miss. That right there tells me he doesn't have it.

Not.One.Single.Guy.

We can't even discuss him as a receiver. In a season where Hines and Santonio have missed a good amount of time, he has only managed 4 catches? He could barely get on the field in those games.
You're exactly right.  I was excited when I saw the kid in camp: returned well, caught well.  But it never translated.  How many second chances are you allowed?
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