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« on: Jan 06, 2008 at 01:19 »

Alright guys, here is the deal. The Pittsburgh Steelers have roughly 22Million to use this offseason.

In this offseason we have ALOT to work on.

We are losing:
Alan Faneca - UFA
Trai Essex - RFA
Max Starks - UFA
Clark Haggans - UFA
Greg Warren - RFA
Chris Kemoeatu - RFA
Nate Washington - RFA
Nick Eason - UFA
Travis Kirschke - UFA
Marquis Cooper - UFA
Dan Kreider - UFA

Ok, the players that i see us bringing back??

Haggans at a minimum (if not Woodley is ready to go, shown tonight)
Chris Kemoeatu
Greg Warren
Prolly 1 maybe 2 of the lineman.
Nate Washington to be the 4th reciever

Ok, so that is prolly going to take up say 4-5 Million... leaving us with 18M
We are also going to need prolly 4 million to sign our draft picks. Down to 14M.

Ok, now they are going to talk about getting Ben's contract EXTENSION! He is in the final year 2 years of his contract, so his contract i dont see eating up anymore than 2-4M (Signing bonus spread out) So we are down to 10M!

So going into the FA market we have roughly 10M to spend! This is if we do not approach anyone about taking a pay cut. Possible People we could ask??

Possible Restructures and Cuts
Kiesel is 2 years into a 4 year 13.1M (3.9M signing bonus) (due $4,072,500 each of the next 2 seasons)

Farrior is in his last year of his 5 year deal, and he is owed $4,498,750 this season. Sad to say, but if he doesnt restructure he could be cut!

Batch is in the final year of his contract and is owed $1,621,667 (i pray he isnt cut)

Parker is in the final 2 years of his contract could get him to sign long term? He is owed ($4,087,500 in '08 and $4,537,500 in '09) He could by re-signing really help our cap relief! (especially if he knows its getting another lineman)

Tuman is owed $1,700,000 next season, yea.. he is gone!

Cedric Wilson is owed $2,585,000 next season, yea... he is gone!

Marvel Smith is in the final year of his contract, his salary cap hit is $6,645,500... now with the people we have leaving i dont see us cutting him, but could be asked to restructure or threaten to be cut, worst case get a 2 year extension?

Ok, i think we get around 6M out of Cuts, Restructures and Extensions!

So we are at say 16Million for the FA period! This gives us good money to see whats out there!

Ok, so who do we go after in the FA period? This is players who i would like to see the Steelers Target.

D.J. Hackett - WR -  Tall Reciever good hands
Ryan Diem - OT - not a FA but most likely cap casualty
Jake Scott - OG - Good all around G (could be Faneca replacement)
Domonique Foxworth - CB - Good cover guy
Randall Gay - Love the way he plays in the secondary
Marcus Trufant - Could team with Taylor and be lockdown CB (dont like locking up that much money in the secondary) (taylor, troy, and trufant)

Ok those are the players that i know of that will be most likely available and could really help us! I didnt list but one WR because there is ALOT of WR who are tall and good hands recievers available in the draft to be had wherever we decide to take one...

Ok, now who is available that the Steelers should Target? I will start with the Biggest Needs, being OL, DL, and WR... from the looks of it the Steelers will be selecting in the 24th spot unless Titans win.

Also, you have to think about the Compensation draft picks. If the Steelers Lose, Faneca and Haggans then they will prolly get a 3rd for Faneca and a 4th for Haggans.  Leaving the Steelers with 8 picks i believe after giving up the 7th rounder for Rossum.

Ok, players i want the steelers to Target, in no order!

2008 Draft Prospects:
Michael Oher, OG/OT Mississippi
Malcolm Kelly, WR Oklahoma
Ryan Clady, OT Boise State
Sam Baker, OT Southern California
James Hardy, WR Indiana
Jeff Otah, OT Pittsburgh
Frank Okam, DT Texas (depending if we stay 3-4 or go to the 4-3)
Mike Jenkins, CB South Florida
Red Bryant, DT Texas A&M (either defense)
Eric Young, OG Tennessee
Dre Moore, NT Maryland (3rd no earlier to backup casey)
Dwight Lowery, CB San Jose State (3rd no earlier kinda a project)
Roy Schuening, OG Oregon State (i loved watching him in his bowl game)
Terrell Thomas, CB Southern California
Jonathan Hefney, S Tennessee
Kentwan Balmer, DT North Carolina
Chevis Jackson, CB Louisiana State
Craig Steltz, S Louisiana State
Trae Williams, CB South Florida
Keenan Burton, WR Kentucky
Steve Justice, C Wake Forest
Aqib Talib, CB Kansas
Reggie Smith, CB Oklahoma
Jack Ickeguanu, CB Wisonsin
Kenny Phillips, S Miami

Ok, those are the first 3rounds or so guys... now these are the guy i want to see us go after from about the 4th round on!

Zack Bowman, CB Nebraska
Joe Flacco, QB Delaware (5th or 6th round to be backup to Ben)
Nick Hayden, DL Wisconsin
Chad Henne, QB Michigan
Shannon Tavega, OG Southern California
Jordan Grimes, OG Purdue
Ray Rice, RB Rutgers
Tony Hills, OT, Texas
Allen Patrick, RB, Oklahoma
Owen Schmitt, FB West Virginia
Davone Bess, WR Hawaii
Jasper Brinkley, MLB South Carolina
Beau Bell, MLB UNLV
Sean Bailey, WR Georgia
Dorien Bryant, WR Purdue
Erik Ainge, QB Tennessee
Adam Kraus, OG Michigan
John David Booty, QB USC
Will Arnold, OG LSU
Jehuu Caulcrick, FB Michigan State (short yardage big back)
Jamie Silva, S Boston College
Paul Hubbard, WR Wisconsin
Derek Fine, TE Kansas (Undrafted) to be the 3rd TE

Now obviously we are not gonna get everyone i have listed here, and some of those are not even really possible drafting in our spot... but this is my list of Prospects that the Steelers should really start with and go from there. We will have a good chance to draft one of everyone of these guys in the upcoming draft.

I think we are going OL prolly in the 1st and maybe 2nd if not we will look WR in the 2nd get someone who has slipped. Then we will go from there... from the 5th and 6th rounds WE HAVE TO draft a QB... Batch will be gone after this season, and we need someone to learn the offense. Flacco and Henne are my 2 picks, Flacco could be gone earlier than that, but he is like a Ben clone. So would be nice to have one of them learning the offense!

So what do you guys think... how does this offseason look for you guys? did i do ok?
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« Reply #1 on: Jan 06, 2008 at 07:11 »

Alot to read and take in, and I have not finished my first coffee of the day.

One flaw, unless I am wrong, the Compensatory picks you speak of for Faneca and Haggens.......If it were to fall that way I believe we would get those picks next season (2009 Draft).

Pretty sure we have only 6 this season, unless we trade for more.
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« Reply #2 on: Jan 06, 2008 at 08:30 »

Quick Question...Where is Jake Long (OT/Michigan) projected to go in the draft?

Really though, I wouldn't be surprised to see Tomlin draft two linebackers, first and second round, that won't see the field in '08.
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 06, 2008 at 08:59 »

Franchise Faneca first.  Then cut Mahan and draft sign or trade for a center That guy is a joke as a center.  He might be back up material but I can't handle another season with him as a starter.
 
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« Reply #4 on: Jan 06, 2008 at 11:30 »

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« Reply #5 on: Jan 06, 2008 at 12:13 »

Starks and Haggans should be resigned, IMHO, I don't think we have any other choice.

We need the LB depth, and, entirely plausible, even though in the preseason laughable, that Max could be our future LG.  If not, depth.

I am in the camp of franchising Faneca.  Why let him walk with no compensation until 2009?  The center idea is not a bad notion.  I don't think Mahan will be our starter next year, but will be depth.  Stapleton?


I can see Kemo getting tendered, then signed longer before the season starts and replacing Faneca either this year or next at guard.

 
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 06, 2008 at 13:42 »

They can't franchise Faneca.  He's a UFA, you can only franchise RFAs.
 
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« Reply #7 on: Jan 06, 2008 at 15:47 »

Rooneys will never franchise tag a guy who doesnt wanna be here n I personally think its time to move on past Faneca..

After Trais performance last night he deserves a small deal.. Maxs injury prob really hurt him having a new deal.. I see him leaving

Haggans wants to be a Steeler.. n hell get a small deal as a backup and ST player.. Hes actually pretty good on ST

Nate Kemo and Warren will all get deal..They wont demand much at all

Sadly Krieder is as good as gone..Cooper will take minimum so he might sign..

Eason vs Travis.. Only 1 gets a contract... Travis is getting up there soo i think Eason will get the nod and a small contract

I agree prob Tuman n Cedrick get the boot...Hope Farrior n Keisel take a cut.. along wit Willie...

In FA... no way we sign a CB...Id look 4 a center if a good 1 is available...Prob no1 good available though..

In the draft...Id love Clady in the 1st...Either a wr or center in the 2nd..DL in the 3rdor 4th... Later QB...
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« Reply #8 on: Jan 06, 2008 at 16:44 »

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« Reply #9 on: Jan 06, 2008 at 18:19 »

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« Reply #10 on: Jan 06, 2008 at 18:51 »

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We are losing:
Alan Faneca - UFA
Trai Essex - RFA
Max Starks - UFA
Clark Haggans - UFA
Greg Warren - RFA
Chris Kemoeatu - RFA
Nate Washington - RFA
Nick Eason - UFA
Travis Kirschke - UFA
Marquis Cooper - UFA
Dan Kreider - UFA
 
Your point is well taken on the restructures as well as the potential re-signings.

I suspect that Faneca walks.  FWIW, Stapleton actually looked good in camp in beating out Capizzi, Philip, and draft pick Cam Stephenson for a roster spot.  If he can add about 20# of ballast, he may be able to root Mahan out of the starting OC spot.  

I would prefer that the PS let Haggans test the FA market and come back as a backup to Woodley.  He is no longer an impact player.  Agree that Farrior is going to get a restructure-or-else offer.

Starks is a must-sign, IMO, with Marvell not the most durable OT on the block.  The PS will probably get a deal done with Warren, Kemo, and Essex (aka Barrett Brooks, Jr.).

Eason was the last guy to make the team, and probably will re-up if an offer is forthcoming.  Cooper will probably be a camp invitee.  Kirschke and Krieder are probably close to the end of the line.

Washington is an interesting case.  I suspect they'll upgrade his deal and give Reid, Rossum, and Wilson the boot, especially if Bloom is for real.

Some of that cap room may vaporize if the FO tries to head off a Big Ben free agency in a couple of years.  Ditto for Heath Miller.
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« Reply #11 on: Jan 06, 2008 at 19:23 »

Question... if the comp pics are the year after, and i think you are right about that, do we get anything for Hartings retiring?  
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« Reply #12 on: Jan 06, 2008 at 19:34 »

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« Reply #13 on: Jan 08, 2008 at 16:16 »

Holy shit.

By my count, that was posted a few hours after the Jags game.  I didn't get to sleep until well after 4:00 either, but damn, there's no way I could've thrown anything that cogent together at that hour, under those conditions.

Props.
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« Reply #14 on: Jan 08, 2008 at 16:44 »

Thanks AJ, i was so depressed by the game i had to put that energy into something. I am also thankful that you guys really liked it and i hope you got a good bit out of it.

I am currently working on a 1st round mock draft, and the concurrently the rest will follow... its just taking a lot of time. It will have everything from Vitals, 40 time, positives and negatives, team needs, and reasons why the selection.

So keep your eyes out, might be a few days, but will be here in time!
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« Reply #15 on: Jan 08, 2008 at 18:08 »

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« Reply #16 on: Jan 08, 2008 at 21:05 »

Uh, J...unless I'm totally missing something.  Pittsburgh can franchise Fanny (or any UFA, for that matter).

Would be costly though as the tag would probably exceed 10 million next year for an offensive lineman.
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« Reply #17 on: Jan 08, 2008 at 21:33 »

That was the thing with the Hutchinson deal and it's contractual cousins.  Top three OG money went from about $6 to $9-10MM in one year.  That does kill the idea of the franchise tag, if it were even considered.
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« Reply #18 on: Jan 08, 2008 at 23:33 »

Well, maybe I'm wrong.  But if a guy is unrestricted, then how can you franchise him?  That sounds like a restriction to me.  The man is unrestricted, he is bound in no way by any offer the Steelers make.  He's on the open market.

Hell, I'll go look it up you lazy bastards.
 
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« Reply #19 on: Jan 08, 2008 at 23:40 »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Foot...gue#Free_agency

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A player who has 5 or more years of experience is eligible for unrestricted free agency, whereby his current team has no guaranteed right to match outside offers to that player. This means that players in this category have unlimited rights to negotiate any terms with any team.


So, there ya go.

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A player who has 5 or more years of experience is eligible for unrestricted free agency, whereby his current team has no guaranteed right to match outside offers to that player. This means that players in this category have unlimited rights to negotiate any terms with any team.


So, there ya go.

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 there is that period between the end of the season and the very first day of free agency.  its that period that the steelers make the option of franchising a particular player or not...

if the very first day of FA starts and the steelers dont Franchise faneca...THEN he becomes an UFA.

even if faneca is still franchised...he is still able to negoitiate with other clubs at the steelers discretion...but that comes very pricy in the form of day 1 draft picks depending on the level of franchising.

 
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« Reply #21 on: Jan 09, 2008 at 08:21 »

I've been wrong before.  Just read something in the Trib about how the Steelers have too much respect for Alan to use the tag and will leave him unencumbered to seek his best deal.
 
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Don't know much about compensatory draft picks but could the Steelers get any for Joey Porter, Rodney Bailey or Sean Morey?
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« Reply #23 on: Jan 09, 2008 at 12:33 »

no, i believe that they have to be just players leaving for FA. They cant be cut.
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« Reply #24 on: Jan 09, 2008 at 12:33 »

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No.
Don't know much about compensatory draft picks but could the Steelers get any for Joey Porter, Rodney Bailey or Sean Morey?
We cut Porter.  Nothing there.

Did Bailey or Morey get any significant playing time?  More to the point, did either get paid?  If they averaged less than $1M per year, I doubt we get anything more than sweet, sweet memories of their time here with us.
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« Reply #25 on: Jan 09, 2008 at 12:43 »

The good news, possibly, is that next year we'll see some comps of note.

Figure Faneca will get paid more somewhere else; not sure I want to hazard a guess as to how much, but I'm willing to say we should get a R3.  If recent market trends hold, Starks might get paid similarly, although his on-and-off starting here, coupled with knee injury, might devalue him slightly; fine, if it means we retain him slightly below market value.  Otherwise, I can see us only getting a R4.

Haggans won't, as his agent believes, garner Porter-like FA interest.  But some team will pick him up.  And I suspect he nets us at least a R5.

Also, I am pretty sure that comps are only on UFAs, not RFAs, since RFAs already net you picks depending on level of RFA tender offered the player.  Giving comps for those would be double-dipping.

So those being the UFAs of note (Kreider is a UFA, but not sure he'll get big money), 2009 might net us an extra pick in three middle rounds.  Not bad.
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« Reply #26 on: Jan 09, 2008 at 15:41 »

What is the max on compensatory picks? Two or three?
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Prett damned sure teams have gotten three.  Is there a hard max?  I know they only have what, 32 total, to divide between all the teams?  Maybe three's the limit.
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« Reply #28 on: Jan 09, 2008 at 17:36 »

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I hope the steelers at least make him some sort of offer before he goes into the open market...who knows, maybe crap teams such as atlanta or miami make him offers that would make him reconsider signing up with the steelers again.

but looking back at past history such as Burress...I dont see them making him any offers before the FA deadline
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Prett damned sure teams have gotten three.  Is there a hard max?  I know they only have what, 32 total, to divide between all the teams?  Maybe three's the limit.

I don't think there is a hard & fast max.  It all depends on how hard ya' get hit by free agency.  I know that Baltimore & the Pats both got four last year.  Here is the Announcement from last year:

TOTAL 2007 NFL COMPENSATORY DRAFT PICKS

Baltimore -- 4
New England -- 4
Indianapolis -- 3
Atlanta -- 2
Jacksonville -- 2
Oakland -- 2
Pittsburgh -- 2
St. Louis -- 2
San Diego -- 2
San Francisco -- 2
Tampa Bay -- 2
Cincinnati -- 1
Detroit -- 1
Green Bay -- 1
New York Giants -- 1
Seattle -- 1

TOTAL -- 32

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« Reply #30 on: Jan 09, 2008 at 20:43 »

Have the Steelers EVER used the franchise tag?  I don't remember it if they did.
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Just thrice, IIRC.

Eric Green back in the day. Carnell Lake when he was flip-flopping from CB/S and consistently whupping asses. And Jason Gildon for a few days before the resigned him to a long term deal that he didnt live up to.
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