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« on: Jan 24, 2008 at 07:50 »

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I know his views on Ben are overly simplistic but I am not so sure about the other two...

I like how he wrote this and never really took a stand.

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« Reply #1 on: Jan 24, 2008 at 16:14 »

There is no debate.  The issue is settled.  Ben, no question.  

Best rookie qb ever.
Youngest SB winner ever.
He is the third-best qb in the league this season.

He came of age the minute that he stepped onto the field in 2004.

QBs are not judged by getting to the pro bowl.  They are judged by winning Super Bowls.  So far, no one else has done it, and I don't believe that Eli is about to start.

I am not pulling for the Giants, I am simply pulling against the Patriots.
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« Reply #2 on: Jan 24, 2008 at 18:00 »

How was Eli the best of the three in '04?  Because he was drafted first?  Uhhh, come again?  Pull the win-loss there, Bud.

And I didn't see much of a slide with Ben this year, the playoff game excepted.  Great for Philbert, he improved over the season, but who had the best season this year as a whole?  Unless Eli wins the Lombardi, it's Ben again.  Check the stats, brats.

Nice article idea, but pretty shallow analysis.  So far, the best QB has been Ben >>> Livers > Eli.  But nice of Eli to show up of late.  Fucking cupstacker.  Learn to fucking talk, bitch.  Everyone's tripping all over theyselves to give big ups to Eli, but frankly his play of the past 3 1/2 years has been the equivalent of Dennis Kucinich in any given primary.
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 24, 2008 at 18:12 »

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Everyone's tripping all over theyselves to give big ups to Eli, but frankly his play of the past 3 1/2 years has been the equivalent of Dennis Kucinich in any given primary.

Talk about a "game manager."  If anyone deserves that title, it's Eli in the 2007 playoffs.
 
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« Reply #4 on: Jan 24, 2008 at 18:58 »

I think Eli's played pretty damn well this year. Lo and behold the young Manning can play some, once the line has gotten settled and Tiki Barber/Shockey aren't in his face all the damn time.

I'd take him over Rivers for sure. No smokescreen.
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« Reply #5 on: Jan 24, 2008 at 22:05 »

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I think Eli's played pretty damn well this year. Lo and behold the young Manning can play some, once the line has gotten settled and Tiki Barber/Shockey aren't in his face all the damn time.

I'd take him over Rivers for sure. No smokescreen.
I'm with you on that.  Towards the end of the year, dumbface started playing better.  And there's no doubt the subtraction of Tiki had lots to do with it and the subtraction of that arse Shockey had even more of an effect.  The kid is playing well.  And how much has old Pleximo stepped up this season?  He's been huge.

Still, give me Big Ben.
 
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 25, 2008 at 13:08 »

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I think Eli's played pretty damn well this year.

Completely agree.  I just don't think he's on Ben's level until he wins the big one...which, I really hope he does.  Not because I like him or the Giants, but I hate the Patriots more.

Interesting:  His progress coincides with the loss of Tiki Barber and Jeremy Shockey.  Coincidence?
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« Reply #7 on: Feb 08, 2008 at 06:55 »

Ben won his superbowl when he was 23, Eli was 27.
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« Reply #8 on: Feb 08, 2008 at 07:35 »

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Ben won his superbowl when he was 23, Eli was 27.
Ben, is that you?
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« Reply #9 on: Feb 08, 2008 at 08:09 »

Yeah, Ben will be 26 this March, which is still pretty young.  (One of the OTs I like this year is Nebraska's Carl Nicks, who will be an old-ish 25 year old rookie...)  Considering Ben's 2007 season, and the fact that Peyton will be 32 and Brady 31 this year, I really do think Ben's poised to climb to the top of the NFL QBs over the next few years.  It took Eli a long time to put together a good run, really.  Ben, much less.  

I always go back to the Favre-Roethlisberger comparison, but imagine if Favre had relied less on his gunslinger arm and athletic escape ability, and honed his decision-making.  I think that's what we might get with Ben, a guy who will still wow you with a signature Ben play, but who may start to incorporate more of the Brady/Peyton accuracy.  

Consider, even with our well-established OL woes:

Top 10 by QB Rating

1. Brady - 117.2*
2. Roethlisberger - 104.1
3. Garrard - 102.2
4. P. Manning - 98.0
5. Romo - 97.4
6. Favre - 95.7
7. Garcia - 94.6
8. Hasselbeck - 91.4
9. McNabb - 89.9
10. Warner - 89.8

In any normal year, a 104.1 average rating could have led the league.  Better than Peyton; better than Favre in his rebirth year.  Eli?  25th, 73.9.







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