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« on: Feb 13, 2008 at 15:24 »

What say you?

I know, I know...as Finny once said when I've suggested this in the past, "Pacman is not worthy of wiping my ass."

However, he is a tremendous athlete and, when eligible, a truly gifted football player who can serve as a lockdown corner, explosive punt and kick returner, and occassional offensive threat at WR.

Plus, at this point, any team that gets him is going to do so at a very bargain price (in terms of his on-field capabilities).

I fully believe that if surrounded by winners and told "Look motherfucker, we're good with or without you, but we'd love to be good with you," he would fall in line. Plus, I think the fact that Tomlin is a relatively young African American would further enable him to take directives from an authority figure such as him.

I know it's not going to happen, but I can't help but think how much better the Steelers secondary and special teams would be with him (with the understanding that he must be eligible to play).

(Note: my bro no longer lives with/works for him, so I cannot be accused of having a bias...necessarily.)
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« Reply #1 on: Feb 13, 2008 at 16:01 »

I don't hate the idea.  I wouldn't call him a lockdown corner, though; he's a risk taker, more of a ball hawk, who gives up nearly as many big plays as he makes.  That's his style, and I like it, although we're still relatively young at cb (deshea the exception here) so I'm not sure the money isn't best spent at other positions.  
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« Reply #2 on: Feb 13, 2008 at 16:50 »

simply put..........NO!
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« Reply #3 on: Feb 13, 2008 at 17:02 »

No chance in hell.
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« Reply #4 on: Feb 13, 2008 at 17:03 »

I just don't think the Steelers would ever sign a guy with so many character issues.  Could be wrong, though.  And while everyone deserves a second chance, he's blown through a few second chances.

But yes, I'd love to have a player of his talent on the team.
 
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« Reply #5 on: Feb 13, 2008 at 19:00 »

Goodell will never reinstate him to the point where it'd be worthwhile persuing him. I am not so certain he'll ever allow him to play again. Even if Goodell does allow him to it will undoubtedly be done with a strict no tolerance policy attatched. With Jones being the idiot that he has consistenly shown to be there is no reason to believe he'd acquiesce to the stipulations. Can't have someone you are counting on disappear for circumstances such as those. It's not worth it, you'd be hurting the team's on-field chances by blowing that soon-to-be vacated roster spot, and you'd make yourselves look doltish in the process.
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« Reply #6 on: Feb 13, 2008 at 19:29 »

He's only played two years toward his contract.  With him being drafted 1.6, I'm assuming he signed for 5-6 years.  Unless the Titans cut him, whoever acquires his rights is going to have to abide by the initial contract.  I'm not seeing a "bargain price" even if he does get reinstated.
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« Reply #7 on: Feb 14, 2008 at 00:17 »

Just don't think the Rooneys will do it.
He's terribly talented, and I think, has been a little screwed by Goodell.
I'm not sure the punishment fits the crimes, in his case, especially when compared with, oh let's say...Ray Lewis.

Character issues do not fit into the Rooney game plan.
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« Reply #8 on: Feb 14, 2008 at 09:38 »

Interesting responses.

Re: his contract, true, he has only played 2 years of a five-year contract. However, due to allegations against him before he even signed w/ the Titans, the Titans signed him to a relatively low guaranteed contract ($18M approximately) considering he was the sixth overall pick and first defensive player drafted that year. Further, I would think that, given his circumstances, should he ever be allowed to play, his contract would have to be restructered regardless of which team he plays for.

I understand that the Rooneys wouldn't want guys with character issues. But, as you said, LC, his punishment has been a little excessive, which I think has increased NFL execs, media and fans' negative perceptions of him w/o merit.

Like Randy Moss, when surrounded by an organization w/ a winning tradition (the Steelers' tradition being much stronger and richer than the lowly patriots), he could succeed on the field and off it.

Also, I disagree with the big plays. Not only is he all over balls thrown his way, he does so in such a way that even Peyton Manning doesn't throw to his side of the field that often. Some big plays you might be thinking of have, for the most part, resulted in blown coverages by the likes of Wilfork (sp?), a dude named Hill and others (who have openly confessed to screwing up the coverage). Sure, Pacman has been guilty of giving up the big one, but not enough times to have a reputation for it. More often than not, he is either locking down the WR in such a way that even the league's most talented QBs are hesitant to throw his way, or he is straight up taking the ball away.

Anyway, I guess this is all moot until (if) he gets reinstated.  
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« Reply #9 on: Feb 14, 2008 at 09:53 »

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He's terribly talented, and I think, has been a little screwed by Goodell.
I'm not sure the punishment fits the crimes, in his case, especially when compared with, oh let's say...Ray Lewis.
 
Not to be critical but didn't he and his "posse" leave a strip club bouncer paralyzed after one of their nights out?
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« Reply #10 on: Feb 14, 2008 at 11:16 »

As a fan of WVU, and an admirer of "Pacman's" skills, ability, and unlived potential, I say..........don't want him.

Granted he has basically been charged with "starting a fight" and was suspended for the year.  I agree with  :tits: Clay, punishment issued does not seem to fit the crime, especially when compaired to others in the league (See Ratbirds and BeenGals).

Just seems to regularly put himself in the "wrong place" and the "wrong time".  After so many "issues" to be put into question, why continue to put yourself out there where "issues" can more commonly happen?

Skills are there.....common sence is very questionable....perha ps inhaled to many couch fumes.......
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« Reply #11 on: Feb 14, 2008 at 11:42 »

As long as the Rooney family owns this franchise, Pacman Jones will never play here.  Not that there's anything so wrong with shooting and paralyzing someone, it's just they're fussbudgets about character.  How quaint, huh?
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« Reply #12 on: Feb 14, 2008 at 11:51 »

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He's terribly talented, and I think, has been a little screwed by Goodell.
I'm not sure the punishment fits the crimes, in his case, especially when compared with, oh let's say...Ray Lewis.
 
Not to be critical but didn't he and his "posse" leave a strip club bouncer paralyzed after one of their nights out?
Not. At. All.

My bro was there and gave me the play-by-play. At first I didn't necessarily believe his story, but when the strip club's owner (Robert Susnar) started changing his story to one that was exactly in line with what my bro told me, I figured it to be the truth.

Some common errors in the early reporting that were later corroborated (sp?) by Susnar:

- Pacman was not the only one "making it rain." In fact, the initial figures that were thrown out were that Pacman was showering ladies with $81K. Not true. He only had $3K while Nelly and Jermaine Dupree had the remaining $78K. No one mentions Nelly and Dupree's role. Weird. Susnar later recanted his initial story that Pacman had $81K because he "didn't want to see a thug recover any more money than he deserved" (the amount of money in question had been stolen and found in a Las Vegas hotel safe that was occupied by one of the dudes from Harlem Knights, a Houston-based promo group that brought the strippers to the Minxxx that night), saying that Pacman only had about $3K (the dollar amount that my bro told me he had no less than a few hours after the incident was reported).

- Robert Susnar claimed to have witnessed the whole thing then later said he wasn't there.

- Susnar claimed that security cameras recorded the alleged transgression. It was later determined that the security cameras were not on or were not working properly (and had not been for a while), so that is bogus.

Let me be clear: Neither Pacman nor his friends had anything to do with a guy being paralyzed from a gunshot wound in Las Vegas. After thousands - I repeat - thousands - of hours investigating the case, the LVPD could not only not find any evidence linking him to the shooting, they could only get him to plead no contest (an even lesser plea than guilty) to - brace yourself for the following ridiculousness - "conspiracy to commit disorderly conduct."

In other words, if you tell a buddy to go into a courtroom and start screaming, you're even worse than Pacman because you are GUILTY of conspiring to commit disorderly conduct.  
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« Reply #13 on: Feb 14, 2008 at 12:11 »

Yeah, and OJ was found not guilty, too.  Funny what money gets ya from the criminal justice system.  

I wouldn't take PacMan if we walked across Lake Erie and fed Heinz field using 5 loaves and 5 fishes.  

Call me funny that way, but I'm not one of those guys who can't see any fire when there's a preponderance of smoke.
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« Reply #14 on: Feb 14, 2008 at 12:22 »

It's not even the same situation as OJ. Not even close. OJ was clearly guilty based on mountains of circumstantial and physical/technical evidence.

There is no such evidence in this case - or any case, re: Pacman, to be quite honest.

I would not take up for Pacman if I thought he was the slightest bit guilty...of this or anything he's been accused of. If I thought he was "getting off" of charges based on technicalities (see: OJ's 1 in 1 trillion odds that the DNA could have matched someone else's and that person might have been in LA at the time), I would say fuck him, he's a piece of shit. But, while he's no saint, guys like you have been mislead by erroneous and flat-out shitty reporting.

Further, it is not money. 1) Pacman doesn't like to part with money and sure as shit won't do it if he knows he's in the right. 2) Pacman doesn't have a lot of liquid cash. His loot (what little is most likely left at this point) is tied up homes (3), vehicles (eight or something), legal fees (who knows how much?) and daily living.  
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« Reply #15 on: Feb 14, 2008 at 14:24 »

How the fuck do you know the absolute truth here?  That I've been misled?  Your scenario proves nothing.  They may not have enough to convict Pac or his posse on the shooting, but that doesn't mean it wasn't one of them.  I know you're 100% for the guy, bully for you.  I think he's a POS and want nothing to do with him.  So fuck him.  

And the Rooneys will never want anything to do with him either, more to the point.  So whatever.

 
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« Reply #16 on: Feb 14, 2008 at 14:39 »

As I stated earlier, I know it's the truth because my brother was there. His story was corroborated by what the strip club owner later said.

Indeed, you have been mislead. Sorry. This is because Pacman did not hire the right agents and communications people to clarify misinformation that was printed/aired.  
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« Reply #17 on: Feb 14, 2008 at 14:47 »

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As I stated earlier, I know it's the truth because my brother was there. His story was corroborated by what the strip club owner later said.

Indeed, you have been mislead. Sorry. This is because Pacman did not hire the right agents and communications people to clarify misinformation that was printed/aired.
I don't know you.  I don't know your brother.

'Scuse me if I'm just a bit sceptical that this is all some misunderstanding of poor maligned Adam Jones.
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« Reply #18 on: Feb 14, 2008 at 15:31 »

I know you don't my brother or me. I understand that you're skeptical. All I'm saying is that for those who don't think he would be a good fit for the Steelers because of (cliche alert) character issues, he's not nearly as bad of a guy as has been portrayed.

Media always reports that he has been arrested 10+ times. What they don't report is that more than half the cases associated with those arrests have been tossed out and that, further, accusers from whom many of the arrests stem have lambasted by judges for abusing the court system and trying to extort Pacman with out-of-court settlements. The remaining cases are either minor infractions (drunk in public - like none of us have ever been that) or are pending.

Is he a saint? No. Could he be more proactive in rehabilitating his reputation? Yes. Is he a gifted athlete and football player that would be an asset to the Steelers? IMO, certainly.

I have nothing to gain from hyping him. He doesn't pay my brother or me (though if he had paid me from the time I first started to give him some advice that basically refused, perhaps there would be a lot fewer naysayers, but I digress). I just think he would help the Steelers tremendously and with a restructured contract, would be a bargain.  
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« Reply #19 on: Feb 14, 2008 at 16:23 »

IMO, the only way to 'make it rain' on the ladies, is Peter North style.

 
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« Reply #20 on: Feb 14, 2008 at 18:05 »

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He's terribly talented, and I think, has been a little screwed by Goodell.
I'm not sure the punishment fits the crimes, in his case, especially when compared with, oh let's say...Ray Lewis.
 
Not to be critical but didn't he and his "posse" leave a strip club bouncer paralyzed after one of their nights out?
Now that one is clearly serious, whether or not the facts are disputed.  Facts are always disputed in shit like that.  I have no problem with the punishment he received so far for that, but Ray Lewis' encounter at a club ended up in somebody being dead.  I'm just sayin'....

It's the intoxication, disorderly conduct and assault charges (the assault having been withdrawn by the woman) that I think have been over-hyped.

HOWEVER, dude will never ever ever play for the Steelers, nor would I want him to.  As I said, talented guy.  But I don't want thugs playing for the Steelers ever.  
I didn't like it when Miami signed Willie Williams.  I'd like it even less if someone like Pacman became a Steeler.  

And I certainly didn't mean to imply that I thought the Rooneys are ever wrong in not taking "bad actors".  That's one of the primary reasons I'm a Steeler fan.  The respect I have for the Rooneys and the way they run the team.

 
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« Reply #21 on: Feb 14, 2008 at 18:15 »

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IMO, the only way to 'make it rain' on the ladies, is Peter North style.
Ya know, I've seen his work, and he's OK, but some of the faces he makes......

:blink:

Now, that dude who does MILF Hunter......how does he do it??  Picks up some "random" milf every damn day!!!  :pimp:  
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« Reply #22 on: Feb 14, 2008 at 18:30 »

July 13, 2005- Arrested and charged with assault and felony vandalism after a nightclub altercation. This began Pacman Jones NFL rap sheet. He already had a lengthy one from high school and college.

September 5, 2005- Adam was invited to attend the Nashville Sports Council Kickoff Luncheon. Jones went off on a verbal tirade while being told to wait for his car after the event. He then refused to tip the valet service.

October 2005- State of West Virginia filed a petition stating that Jones had not been contacting his probation officer and that he had not reported his July 2005 arrest. The judge extended the probation for just 90 days.

March 23, 2006- Charged with marijuana possession in Fayetteville, Georgia. He went on to claim that he knew how to beat the NFL
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Now, that dude who does MILF Hunter......how does he do it??

I swear to God, one of the dads I seeing picking up his kid/s at the elementary school looks just like that dude. I fuckin' stare at the guy every time I see him and it takes all my will to keep from shouting "MILF Hunter!!!!!!!!!!!!!".

I gotta get a picture of him to post on the ESPN look-a-like page.

 
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July 13, 2005- Arrested and charged with assault and felony vandalism after a nightclub altercation. This began Pacman Jones NFL rap sheet. He already had a lengthy one from high school and college.

September 5, 2005- Adam was invited to attend the Nashville Sports Council Kickoff Luncheon. Jones went off on a verbal tirade while being told to wait for his car after the event. He then refused to tip the valet service.

October 2005- State of West Virginia filed a petition stating that Jones had not been contacting his probation officer and that he had not reported his July 2005 arrest. The judge extended the probation for just 90 days.

March 23, 2006- Charged with marijuana possession in Fayetteville, Georgia. He went on to claim that he knew how to beat the NFL
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January 3, 2008- Pacman is accused of punching Wanda S. Jackson in the face at an Atlanta strip club called the Body Tap Strip Club.  Jackson says Jones reached over the counter and sucker punched her in her left eye.
 
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« Reply #26 on: Feb 14, 2008 at 23:07 »

Slick Rick is the pick here?
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July 13, 2005- Arrested and charged with assault and felony vandalism after a nightclub altercation. This began Pacman Jones NFL rap sheet. He already had a lengthy one from high school and college.

September 5, 2005- Adam was invited to attend the Nashville Sports Council Kickoff Luncheon. Jones went off on a verbal tirade while being told to wait for his car after the event. He then refused to tip the valet service.

October 2005- State of West Virginia filed a petition stating that Jones had not been contacting his probation officer and that he had not reported his July 2005 arrest. The judge extended the probation for just 90 days.

March 23, 2006- Charged with marijuana possession in Fayetteville, Georgia. He went on to claim that he knew how to beat the NFL
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Methinks you got it.

Now what was i to do
She was crying over me and she was feeling blue
I said, "don't cry, (dry, your eye)
Here comes your mother with those two little guys"
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Knock 'em out the box, Rick.  Knock 'em out, Rick.

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Methinks you got it.

Now what was i to do
She was crying over me and she was feeling blue
I said, "don't cry, (dry, your eye)
Here comes your mother with those two little guys"
Her mean mother steps and says to me ("hi!")
Hit sally in the face and decked her in the (eye!)


Knock 'em out the box, Rick.  Knock 'em out, Rick.

Da da duh dun duh dun dun...
Well done.

 
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« Reply #30 on: Feb 15, 2008 at 12:50 »

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Media always reports that he has been arrested 10+ times. What they don't report is that more than half the cases associated with those arrests have been tossed out and that, further, accusers from whom many of the arrests stem have lambasted by judges for abusing the court system and trying to extort Pacman with out-of-court settlements. The remaining cases are either minor infractions (drunk in public - like none of us have ever been that) or are pending.

And, I saw your list of the subsequent actions on the rap sheet.  I saw where you said your brother worked with/for/ whatever, and he allegedly knew what went down at the nightclub (same brother I presume? ).  I know nothing about Pac Man other than what has been reported, so everything I say is based on secondhand info.  

However, I think you can sum up the guy's character fairly easily.  How many times have you been arrested?  Even if you're acquitted/charges dropped/take a plea virtually every time, at some point before you hit double digits you have to be able to take a good, long, look in the mirror and think "what the hell am I doing with my life?  Something is obviously wrong here; what can I do to fix it?"  There is no indication that Pac Man has ever done that.  I don't care what the results of that many charges are, I highly doubt the police have come and rousted him out of bed at 2 AM to drag him down to the precinct just for the hell of it - 10+ times.

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« Reply #31 on: Feb 15, 2008 at 15:29 »



no thanks :jerkit:  
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August 25, 2006- Arrested for disorderly conduct and public intoxication after being ordered by the cops to leave a Murfreesboro night club several times. Jones claimed a woman stole his wallet. The woman claimed that Jones spat on her. The judge in the case gave Pacman six months probation and told him to stay away from the club.



 

Aug. 25 - My memory about this one is foggy, so I don't want to make an incorrect statement.

 
If my memory serves me correctly, it turned out that someone really had taken Pac's wallet.  I don't blame him for being pissed, and, again, if memory serves, it was disputed by others whether Pac had really spat on the chick.

Still, it is almost funny how a guy continues to frequent night clubs, when all that happens is he gets into more and more altercations.

Think it's time to hang up those shiny shirts, quit hanging at clubs, and, I don't know, join a bowling league or something.  
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« Reply #33 on: Feb 15, 2008 at 20:57 »

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Think it's time to hang up those shiny shirts, quit hanging at clubs, and, I don't know, join a bowling league or something.
And we know how hot the chicks are at the local bowling alley.  Plus, you actually have a chance to drag one outta there.  
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In fact, I met this Gaddy guy while bowling w/ Pac and others more than a year and a half ago.

This is a grown man that walks around and allows people to call him "Pacman". Fercrissakes. Not as easy as you might think sitting him down, letting him take a break and answer to "Do you realize how silly you seem?"
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« Reply #35 on: Feb 16, 2008 at 01:49 »

Plus, to dispute an earlier football related note, he does get beat deep when he's actually cleared to play.


 
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