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« on: Feb 25, 2008 at 15:02 »

Steelers | Team expected to pursue J. Smith
Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:09:07 -0800

Carlos Holmes, of the Dayton Daily News, reports the Pittsburgh Steelers are expected to pursue Cincinnati Bengals DL Justin Smith when free agency begins Feb. 29.


I doubt this story. Not sure id even want him for the money he will end up getting.



 
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« Reply #1 on: Feb 25, 2008 at 15:59 »

I'd certainly be interested at a reasonable rate; but pursuing him would make Kirschke's deal even more unfathomable.  Perhaps Aaron Smith's injury isn't healing?  Dunno.  

A Smith-Hamp-Smith front would be the best front 3 in the league IMO.

 
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« Reply #2 on: Feb 25, 2008 at 16:13 »

I have heard we might be intereseted in him.  Just not sure how he fits in, do we go to a 4-3 or does BK roate in and out?  This would take DE off the draft need list.
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« Reply #3 on: Feb 25, 2008 at 17:43 »

Kirschke's $300K guaranteed ensures he's an insurance policy only.
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« Reply #4 on: Feb 25, 2008 at 20:47 »

There would need to be many more cuts IMO to afford Justin Smith.  
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« Reply #5 on: Feb 25, 2008 at 20:53 »

Start with Ced.
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« Reply #6 on: Feb 26, 2008 at 10:04 »

Not sure how much stock I want to put into an article written by Carlos "Big C" Holmes," but m'kay.

Smith would draw some interest on the open market and the one team who could come calling is Pittsburgh Steelers. I'm told that Steelers defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau is a big fan of Smith and has always thought that he would be a better pass-rusher in a 3-4 defense which they run in Blitzburgh.

The Steelers are looking to improve their pass-rush up front on defense and Smith would fit in the rotation nicely. The Steelers could also have their eyes on another Bengal S Madieu Williams. Williams is set to become an unrestricted free agent when the free agency signing period begins in March. He drew rave reviews from a top Steeler scout during the 2004 draft and the interest is believed to still exist considering the team's need for help at the safety position.
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Smith I get.  Solid player.  One of the few guys I would consider from either side of the ball on that team.

But, Madieu Williams?  Steelers need help at the safety position?  That statement alone kinda makes me think there's nothing behind the Smith comments other than a Bengal fans' hope that he leave Cincinnati.

Think about it.  If you're a Bengal fan and you think Smith is a good player; overpaid, but a solid player nonetheless, would you want him to sign with an intradivisional rival that has basically owned your ass for decades?  I might want him to leave, but I'd at least want him out of the division.  Ideally, out of the conference.
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« Reply #7 on: Feb 26, 2008 at 10:25 »

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Think about it.  If you're a Bengal fan and you think Smith is a good player; overpaid, but a solid player nonetheless, would you want him to sign with an intradivisional rival that has basically owned your ass for decades?  I might want him to leave, but I'd at least want him out of the division.  Ideally, out of the conference.
I guess what I was getting at there is, maybe Smith is the Bengals version of the '07 Joey Porter?
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« Reply #8 on: Feb 26, 2008 at 10:44 »

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But, Madieu Williams? Steelers need help at the safety position? That statement alone kinda makes me think there's nothing behind the Smith comments other than a Bengal fans' hope that he leave Cincinnati.

I disagree, aj.  We do need help at safety, particularly if Clark doesn't heal.  Not saying Williams is the answer, but it is an issue, IMO.
 
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« Reply #9 on: Feb 26, 2008 at 11:03 »

Maybe the Porter comparison is apt.  For me, it comes down to cap hit, again.  I just think there's enough interest in Smith that his price tag is prohibitive.  Decent production, which trailed off last year: 7.17 sacks per, dropped to 2.  Any ideas why?  Didn't miss any games.  

The second point on Smith is, what do we do with Keisel?  He sits a year or two until Aaron Smith retires, then gets his job back?  Or does Keisel try to transition to OLB?  I dunno.

Maybe the Madieu Williams yammer is because of Anthony Smith's struggles, an amnesia about Ryan Clark, or doubt over Clark's return.  I can see upgrading Ty Carter, though.  But at what price?  
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« Reply #10 on: Feb 26, 2008 at 11:06 »

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But, Madieu Williams? Steelers need help at the safety position? That statement alone kinda makes me think there's nothing behind the Smith comments other than a Bengal fans' hope that he leave Cincinnati.

I disagree, aj.  We do need help at safety, particularly if Clark doesn't heal.  Not saying Williams is the answer, but it is an issue, IMO.
I get that, Penz.  I've been worried about Clark's health since the season ended and have mentioned a couple times that I'm leery about him being ready to go when camp rolls around.

Still, is that a "need?"  I mean, I'd put O-line and D-line into that category, but S?  Especially since this is coming from an "outsider," so to speak.

Put it this way, I think we're lookin' at one of two scenarios.  Either (a) Clark is in worse shape than Pittsburgh is letting on; or (b) this guy is shooting from the hip and doesn't really know what he's talking about.  

I just can't fathom Pittsburgh having any interest in a FA FS unless they feel pretty strongly that Clark isn't going to be on the field in August.
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« Reply #11 on: Feb 26, 2008 at 12:52 »

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Still, is that a "need?"  I mean, I'd put O-line and D-line into that category, but S?  Especially since this is coming from an "outsider," so to speak.
 
It's a need I'd rather see them address through bringing in an FA than trying to coach up a mid or late round draft choice.  It's one of the more complicated positions on the field, and one of the few where a serviceable vet can be effective at a decent price tag.

We need all our picks for the lines, and the backs.  No use bringing in some day 2 schmo at S who's going to spend a year on ST's and dime packages.
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« Reply #12 on: Feb 27, 2008 at 02:29 »

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...The second point on Smith is, what do we do with Keisel?  He sits a year or two until Aaron Smith retires, then gets his job back?  Or does Keisel try to transition to OLB?  I dunno.

Maybe the Madieu Williams yammer is because of Anthony Smith's struggles, an amnesia about Ryan Clark, or doubt over Clark's return.  I can see upgrading Ty Carter, though.  But at what price?
Keisel's close to 30 hisself, though with relatively low mileage.  If he's not an uncontested starter at DE next year, he's probably tracking on a Travis Kirschke career path.  About the only benefit to him dropping weight to OLB, if he didn't lose too much speed, is that he can help ST's.  Like Finny said, I dunno.

The PSD can't leave that FS spot with Ty Carter, whose best use is in packages.  The apparent failure of Anthony Smith to step up is a really painful shot to LeBeau's defensive scheme, which needed to have that Chris Hope type tackling machine back there.  I guess we won't know much about Clark until mini-camp.  
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« Reply #13 on: Feb 28, 2008 at 15:20 »

Since we're talking FS on this thread, what about Gibril Wilson of the Giants?  I saw alot of him on TV this year and he was pretty good-- reminded me alot, in fact, of Ryan Clark, made a ton of tackles.  I believe he's a UFA.
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« Reply #14 on: Feb 28, 2008 at 19:22 »

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Since we're talking FS on this thread, what about Gibril Wilson of the Giants?  I saw alot of him on TV this year and he was pretty good-- reminded me alot, in fact, of Ryan Clark, made a ton of tackles.  I believe he's a UFA.
I like Gibs, if the price is right (*sigh*, as always).  Word is the Iggles have lead in their pencil for him.  
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« Reply #15 on: Feb 28, 2008 at 21:11 »

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Think about it. If you're a Bengal fan and you think Smith is a good player; overpaid, but a solid player nonetheless, would you want him to sign with an intradivisional rival that has basically owned your ass for decades? I might want him to leave, but I'd at least want him out of the division. Ideally, out of the conference. 


I guess what I was getting at there is, maybe Smith is the Bengals version of the '07 Joey Porter?

I totally agree. Except that Porter was a multi-time Pro Bowl pick, the emotional leader in the locker room, at his worst was superior to Smith's "prime", and was the best playoff player (other than Ben) on a Super Bowl champeen the season before he was cut. Other than that I see the similarities.

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« Reply #16 on: Mar 01, 2008 at 07:37 »

Smith singed with the 49ers for 6 years, $45 million.
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« Reply #17 on: Mar 01, 2008 at 08:15 »

Unreal.  2 sacks in 2007 and his top quality is a pass rusher?
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« Reply #18 on: Mar 01, 2008 at 12:20 »

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Unreal.  2 sacks in 2007 and his top quality is a pass rusher?
Yeah, I'm really glad we didn't spend that kind of money on Smith.  He's solid and dependable, but that's about it.
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