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« on: Mar 14, 2008 at 15:06 » |
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« Reply #1 on: Mar 14, 2008 at 15:55 » |
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« Reply #2 on: Mar 14, 2008 at 19:07 » |
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SING DONHO NIKKI!!!!!!!!!11
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« Reply #3 on: Mar 14, 2008 at 20:23 » |
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If Nicky (sp?) is as good a special teams player as they say I think it could be one of those important under the radar signings. And as a back up safety could he be any more below average than Carter?
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« Reply #4 on: Mar 14, 2008 at 20:27 » |
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2007 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 65
Comment: Hartwig is strong, versatile and fairly athletic. He plays big and could fill in at guard. He has good initial quickness and understands body position and angles. He is smart, instinctive and efficient. He can handle the calls and adjustments on the line. He is a solid technician who can get position and wall off. He stays balanced and in control when slipping off combo blocks to get to the second level. He can short pull, then locate and hit moving targets. He can slide and mirror off short pass sets. He has strong, active hands. He plays with awareness and reacts well to zone dogs and stunts. But Hartwig is tall for a center and doesn't play with ideal leverage. He isn't very explosive and fares best using angles instead of drive blocks. He sometimes struggles to maintain pocket depth against bull rushers. He had been durable before spending most of 2006 on injured reserve (groin).
2007 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 54
Comment: Nickey is the Titans' backup strong safety and brings a good bit of special teams' value. He is very big for a safety, with excellent height and good girth and overall strength. He has never been a regular starter in his four-year career and has brought little production in the base defense. He is a very aggressive player who never backs down and has a fine special-teams mentality. He is at his best in the box in run support and is much better against the run than the pass. He is durable and tough. Nickey is a physical tackler and can jolt the ballcarrier. He has a good understanding of the position and impressive ball skills, but his athletic ability is lacking and he often isn't able to get into position to demonstrate his ability to play the ball in the air. His change of direction is poor for a backend player and he shows noticeable stiffness. He is limited in coverage, high in his pedal and shows stiff hips in transition. He is a distinct liability if matched up against just about any wide receiver in the league one on one. Nickey is not a smooth athlete and will always be limited, but he is aggressive and can fill a limited role to help his football team.
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If the scouting report is accurate (and you never know with Scouts, Inc) it doesn't sound like Hartwig is what the Steelers are looking for. They struggled with the bullrushers up the middle last year. I guess competition can't hurt and you can't get worse than Mahan last season.
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« Reply #5 on: Mar 14, 2008 at 21:36 » |
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Not surprised about Hartwig. I almost posted when I saw him get released by Carolina that I thought the Steelers might bring him in, but I didn't feel like typing.
Be sweet to get that signing IMO, so the Steelers can focus on something other than all O-line in the draft.
If we sign him, I guess Mahan is in dire straights, but he should be a competitor at LG and for sure a backup this year. Better savings toward the cap vs. benefit if released next year.
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« Reply #6 on: Mar 15, 2008 at 15:26 » |
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I want this signing to happen but it will only if we pull the Starks offer..Hartwig is 29...and a physical center...I remember watchin him battle Casey pretty good couple yrs back.. Going against Jamal Williams and Kris Jenkins daily i dont no how he could be weak on bull rushers..
Id like to see him sign to a 2-3 yr deal..allow Darnell to learn under him...It would remove C as a draft need this year in a weak C draft..We could move Mahan to guard for competition with Kemo..Allows us to focus on depth at Tackle behind Marvel...
Id love to have this depth... LT: Marvel and Chris Williams ( 1st round pick)..LG: Kemo and Mahan (maybe try to restructure Mahan).. C: Hartwig and Stapleton..RG: Simmons and Edgar Sosa (Day 2 Pick from Lousiville)..RT: Colon..Maybe Capizzi or a day 2 draft pick project..
Everyday that goes by without reworking a deal with Max makes me believe more and more it wont get done..
Thoughts?
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« Reply #7 on: Mar 15, 2008 at 17:08 » |
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Let me fix that... Hartwig battled Haynesworth in practice when he was in Tenn and Jenkins in Carolina.. not Jamal Williams
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« Reply #8 on: Mar 15, 2008 at 21:25 » |
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Well, scanning over KFFL, 10 other teams have interest in Hartwig...lol... Unless he wants to play here, given our cap, he won't be landing here.
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« Reply #9 on: Mar 17, 2008 at 09:11 » |
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Well, scanning over KFFL, 10 other teams have interest in Hartwig...lol... Unless he wants to play here, given our cap, he won't be landing here. CHIEFS SNIFFING AROUND HARTWIG
Posted by Mike Florio on March 17, 2008, 8:16 a.m.
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« Reply #10 on: Mar 17, 2008 at 20:37 » |
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« Reply #11 on: Mar 18, 2008 at 13:14 » |
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He looks like you could flip him upside-down and use him to complete the SAT's.
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I don't care if Lovie Smith and Tony Dungy are black. Good for them. But that doesn't change the way I feel about them. The longer we keep looking at guys like Tony Dungy and Lovie Smith as "BLACK HEAD COACHES" as opposed to just "coaches" the longer race will continue to be a problem. --DoctorJohnnyFever
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« Reply #12 on: Mar 18, 2008 at 17:47 » |
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Steelers agree to contract with ex-Panthers center Hartwig By John Clayton ESPN.com (Archive) With their offensive line in transition with the departure of Alan Faneca, the Pittsburgh Steelers found a new anchor to their line by reaching a two-year, $4 million deal with former Carolina Panthers center Justin Hartwig. Included in the deal is a $975,000 signing bonus. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3300560 |
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« Reply #13 on: Mar 18, 2008 at 18:30 » |
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Steelers agree to contract with ex-Panthers center Hartwig By John Clayton ESPN.com (Archive) With their offensive line in transition with the departure of Alan Faneca, the Pittsburgh Steelers found a new anchor to their line by reaching a two-year, $4 million deal with former Carolina Panthers center Justin Hartwig. Included in the deal is a $975,000 signing bonus. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3300560 Wow that is a nice suprise. So now we made need only 1 OL in this draft. This opens the door for anything in rnd 1. |
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« Reply #14 on: Mar 18, 2008 at 18:49 » |
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Wow that is a nice suprise. So now we made need only 1 OL in this draft. This opens the door for anything in rnd 1. Disagree. I like the signing a LOT, but anyway you scramble it, you're still going to have at least 2 guys starting on our O-Line that simply weren't. very. good. last season. I'm still all about using 2 of the first 3 picks to take O-linemen. And if the other pick is a D-lineman, I'd be pleased as pie. .WiH. |
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I don't care if Lovie Smith and Tony Dungy are black. Good for them. But that doesn't change the way I feel about them. The longer we keep looking at guys like Tony Dungy and Lovie Smith as "BLACK HEAD COACHES" as opposed to just "coaches" the longer race will continue to be a problem. --DoctorJohnnyFever
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« Reply #15 on: Mar 18, 2008 at 18:54 » |
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Great signing...Wanted this guy since I heard he was released...
Mahan better watch his ass now... With Kemo accepting his 1 yr tender and many experts having us draftin Alberts in the 1st... Mahan could be on the fast track out..
Still liking Alberts or Chris Williams in the 1st round..Mike Mayock said Alberts could be a dominate LT in the future.. And with Marvels contract expiring after this yr a replacement could be lined up..
Which of the two would you rather in the 1st round with the current O-line situation ( contracts expiring and depth)???
If both were available id lean to Williams
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« Reply #16 on: Mar 18, 2008 at 18:57 » |
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I didn't think he would sign with the Steelers due to $$$.
I reserve judgment on this signing, as I thought Mahan was a decent signing last year.
2 year deal allows more development time for Stapleton, who probably needs it.
The deal itself is really good, considering money that's being thrown around elsewhere.
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« Reply #17 on: Mar 18, 2008 at 19:17 » |
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Wow, son of a gun. Very pleased.
That pretty much excludes drafting a center.
Tackle, Guard pretty much still possible.
What's done with Max, Smith, and Kemo concerning extentions will guide us on how the team will draft.
My feeling is if two of three are extended, R1 is probably DL not ruling out WR.
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« Reply #18 on: Mar 18, 2008 at 19:21 » |
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So who was cut or restructured???
If we were only around 700-800K under, I presume we are right on top of or over the cap.
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« Reply #19 on: Mar 18, 2008 at 22:18 » |
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I am shocked. Not that I was overly impressed with the Panthers oline the last few years.
But, perhaps this opens some doors to take BAA in the draft rather than being forced to reach for a need and take a C/G/T that really isn't worth a 1.23.
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« Reply #20 on: Mar 18, 2008 at 22:21 » |
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Just wondering, do you think we'll use this as leverage to massively restructure Mahan? Or cut him and try to resing him to a much more reasonable deal?
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« Reply #21 on: Mar 18, 2008 at 22:57 » |
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My thought Mahan stays as-is this year:
1) We need the OL depth
2) Base salary not bad, but not great 2.1M
3) Might actually do very well at LG and be the answer there?, dont know if anyone knows.
If he is a backup this year, all bets are off for next year:
1) Base salary increases to 3.1M
2) 2009 Dead money 800K, 2010 1.6M do-able.
3) Many pressing resigns/FAs etc to do in '09
4) Should have been able to draft depth in 08' or sign via FA.
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« Reply #22 on: Mar 19, 2008 at 06:30 » |
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I'm not so excited about Hartwig....the best to hope is that he will be decent, not great.
Still, it frees us from drafting a C this year. The draft "experts" seem to agree that their is no great C to be had in this draft. We can try next year (if Stapleton does not appear to be the answer).
I think Mahan should be gone. He did not seem strong, and I cannot believe he is good enough to start at guard. He might be a bit of insurance, but we could have a similiar player at a lower price. 2009's price for him is the cincher. Dump him now.
I still think we are forced to burn 2 of our first 4 picks on OLine, depending on value at the time of each pick. I'm hoping for Albert at this point, and praying a solid OT prospect falls to us in the second. If a steal at DL falls, then I'd settle for that, and go with BAP on OL in subsequent rounds.
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« Reply #23 on: Mar 19, 2008 at 06:39 » |
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Pittsburgh Steelers C, RIP.
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« Reply #24 on: Mar 19, 2008 at 07:12 » |
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Wow that is a nice suprise. So now we made need only 1 OL in this draft. This opens the door for anything in rnd 1. Disagree. I like the signing a LOT, but anyway you scramble it, you're still going to have at least 2 guys starting on our O-Line that simply weren't. very. good. last season. I'm still all about using 2 of the first 3 picks to take O-linemen. And if the other pick is a D-lineman, I'd be pleased as pie. .WiH. Yep. We got a bunch of mediocre guards that add nothing by plenitude. So, draft a LT and an OG, maybe Albert and Rachal? |
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« Reply #25 on: Mar 19, 2008 at 07:19 » |
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Before we get too excited...Maybe this just means Mahan gets cut. |
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« Reply #26 on: Mar 19, 2008 at 07:19 » |
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The only thing this changes for the draft is which OL position we'll be shopping for. Should not change our overall focus at all. We've got two guys signed to one-year tenders, a center who was cut by another team, and a G/C who looks like a very overpriced backup, who may not even be here.
Not to mention a "LT" with chronic back trouble and a LT/RT who has yet to sign a deal that we can afford.
I'd say OL remains the priority.
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« Reply #27 on: Mar 20, 2008 at 21:34 » |
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When is this going to be officially announced?
Maybe the Steelers had to get under the cap today????
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