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« on: Aug 08, 2008 at 20:10 »

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« Reply #1 on: Aug 08, 2008 at 20:35 »

Man, I like the guy, but he's made out of glass....so an injury like this is usually what, like six to eight weeks?

Who do we sign as a replacement...Culpepp er?...or dare I say it, Pennington??
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« Reply #2 on: Aug 08, 2008 at 21:04 »

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Man, I like the guy, but he's made out of glass....so an injury like this is usually what, like six to eight weeks?

Who do we sign as a replacement...Culpepp er?...or dare I say it, Pennington??
I think Pennington can easily start for a team like Miami. Was Culpepper in Minny during Tomlin's short stay? Maybe there's some connection between the two.

Leftwich is available as far as I know.

There's always Jeff George. LOL!
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« Reply #3 on: Aug 08, 2008 at 21:37 »

Well, how did Dixon look?  I recorded but haven't had a chance to watch yet.
 
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« Reply #4 on: Aug 08, 2008 at 21:44 »

I wasn't impressed.  Very Omar Jacobs like.  
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« Reply #5 on: Aug 08, 2008 at 21:46 »

If its a six to eight weeker, I vote to hold my breath and allow Dixon to be the back-up for those three weeks or so.

Longer..sign Leftwich, Culpeper, etc....

Hope the line keeps Ben safe!
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« Reply #6 on: Aug 08, 2008 at 21:47 »

didn't see all of Dixon's series.  From what I saw he looked OK, but I wouldn't be comfortable with him as our #2.

Need to find a solid vet backup.  
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« Reply #7 on: Aug 08, 2008 at 21:58 »

Even if it were just for a few series or so during the regular season, Id rather see someone who's been-there-done-that filling in for Ben as opposed to Dixon. He looked extremely raw in a conventional NFL offense. He's a runner, not a passer.
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« Reply #8 on: Aug 08, 2008 at 22:57 »

BTW, did it happen on the busted play where he put his head down trying to get the first?  I think he was in for a play after that, so not sure.

If so, I appreciate the effort, but even at the time I was thinking why the hell is he doing that in a preseason game?  Not like he has to try to win a spot.

As far as the need to sign a vet;  if they do, I'd definitely take Culpepper over Leftwich, for one reason only.  Or Oline pass protection was poor last year, and doesn't appear to be upgrading based on who started the game.  Gotta have a QB with some mobility.  Leftwich is a sitting duck back there.
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« Reply #9 on: Aug 09, 2008 at 01:26 »

What about Chris Simms when he gets released?
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« Reply #10 on: Aug 09, 2008 at 07:40 »

The 212 says it's 4-6 weeks.  Do we need to sign anyone, then?  

I thought Dixon looked good for a first preseason game.  I mean, good enough.

And FUCK Chris Simms.

Pennington singed with the Fins.

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« Reply #11 on: Aug 09, 2008 at 09:37 »

it happened on the busted play, running back went right instead of left, batch took off to the left, broke a couple tackles then took a shot straight to the collar bone.
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« Reply #12 on: Aug 09, 2008 at 11:44 »

I thought Dixon looked pretty good, considering it was his first NFL game. High completion percentage, though it was a bunch of short passes. He did complete a deep pass downfield to Gerran Walker, but it was called back on a hold. He's also very, very fast. Nothing like Omar Jacobs.
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« Reply #13 on: Aug 09, 2008 at 15:10 »

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I thought Dixon looked pretty good, considering it was his first NFL game. High completion percentage, though it was a bunch of short passes. He did complete a deep pass downfield to Gerran Walker, but it was called back on a hold. He's also very, very fast. Nothing like Omar Jacobs.
Ditto that.  Hope to see him get better each game.

Don't see the Jacobs comparison at all.  
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« Reply #14 on: Aug 09, 2008 at 16:29 »

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He did complete a deep pass downfield to Gerran Walker, but it was called back on a hold. He's also very, very fast. Nothing like Omar Jacobs.

That hold was awful, but I was impressed that Dixon got the pass off.  Even more impressed w/the catch.  And didn't I see Omar Jacobs playing for someone this weekend?  

Why not let Dixon get the majority of preseason snaps, and hang on until Charlie returns?  

The one thing that's obvious, with or without Batch, is that we are pretty much toast without Ben.  No matter how great James Harrison is, Ben is the MVP of this team.
 
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« Reply #15 on: Aug 09, 2008 at 16:29 »

Didn't Dixon have a 40+yard pass called back on a PI?
 
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« Reply #16 on: Aug 09, 2008 at 17:23 »

I either don't remember the long pass or somehow missed it completely.   That said, I don't really care about how fast a QB is.  To me their job is to be run the team and move the ball.  Preferably through pass completions, preferably through ones longer than 5 yards.  Maybe I am being overly harsh, and yes I know it is his first preseason game in the NFL, but I just didn't see anything to get me excited.
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« Reply #17 on: Aug 09, 2008 at 23:12 »

Steelers sign Leftwich and Daunte Culpepper (per link via DJF at MGP)

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=444019
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« Reply #18 on: Aug 09, 2008 at 23:49 »

Interesting.  I'm assuming they'll only keep on of em.  Then when Batch comes back who goes?  Surely they don't expect Dixon to last on the PC.
 
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« Reply #19 on: Aug 10, 2008 at 07:36 »

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http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=444019

I think that has to be wrong.  Culpepper didn't come in, and balked at deals elsewhere where he wouldn't be the man.  Color be dubious on DC...

Edit*:  The Trib says the team might sign Leftwich OR Culpepper, which makes more sense than signing both.  Would assume that means they're not signing DC sight unseen, so expect a visit?
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« Reply #20 on: Aug 10, 2008 at 08:49 »

So the Sporting News is stating that we have signed both Leftwich and Culpepper, which I find very hard to believe.  That move doesn't make sense in my opinion.  It's crazy and I have no idea where they got that information.  Then we have the Trib who is stating that we are looking at both Leftwich and Culpepper and the PPG stating that we are looking at Leftwich, no word on Culpepper.  Interesting.

IMO, unless the Steelers have other plans in store, I'm not sure either of these two are jumping for joy over the strong possibility of coming in here for 6-8 weeks and then getting the boot, but I definately see Leftwich signing here long before Culpepper.

According to the PPG, Leftwich could sign today and going by Leftwich's recent comments, I'm not doubting the possibility...

"They have an opportunity to win it all," Leftwich said. "To be part of that, if I can help, that's my mind-set. I'm just trying to get back out there."

"I know Ben well, him and Charlie," Leftwich said. "I played against Ben, competed against him in college. It was fun."

"I think anytime you get a chance to play for a team like this with this much tradition, you do it," Leftwich said. "Just to be part of it ... playing against those guys, they were always a well-coached, good football team."

The Steelers did not mention how long he might be on their roster if signed. Coach Mike Tomlin estimated that Batch could miss four to six weeks and that they would not place him on injured reserve.

"I don't know what the situation is, I don't know the process," Leftwich said. "I just want to come in and try to work my butt off."

 
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« Reply #21 on: Aug 10, 2008 at 09:24 »

IMO, either of those guys would be stoked to sign with Pittsburgh because it would give them a chance to either be (1)  on a winning team; or (2) at the very least, give them ample opportunity to showcase their "skills" during the remaining PS games which might lead to another team signing them when the Steelers give them the axe.

#7 isn't likely to get much in game action so these guys would get a lot of looks.
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« Reply #22 on: Aug 10, 2008 at 12:47 »

Culpepper, Leftwich vie to be Steelers' backup QB
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The Steelers have brought two veteran quarterbacks to training camp today and will sign one of them to replace Charlie Batch as their backup.

Byron Leftwich and Daunte Culpepper both arrived at St. Vincent College in Latrobe today. After each have their physicals, one will sign to be the backup to Ben Roethlisberger until Batch heals. Batch broke his right collarbone Friday night in the second quarter against Philadelphia and will miss 4-6 weeks.

http://www.postgazette.com/pg/08223/903337-100.stm
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« Reply #23 on: Aug 10, 2008 at 14:37 »

Signing either would be outstanding, IMO.  Both have some negatives, but hell, they both were very successful starters for several years.  As aj put it, they get a few weeks to sell themselves, too.

So which do you prefer?  
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« Reply #24 on: Aug 10, 2008 at 15:13 »

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Signing either would be outstanding, IMO.  Both have some negatives, but hell, they both were very successful starters for several years.  As aj put it, they get a few weeks to sell themselves, too.

So which do you prefer?
As already mentioned in this thread, the Steelers O-line needs someone that has the ability to escape the pocket and buy time, and Leftwich doesn't have that.  Gotta go with Culpepper for that reason alone, though in all honesty, I'm just hoping neither one of them takes a single regular season snap.
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« Reply #25 on: Aug 10, 2008 at 16:01 »

Culpepper..probably just b/c he had more success with Oakland last year than Lefty did with ATL.  
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« Reply #26 on: Aug 10, 2008 at 16:11 »

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Culpepper by a wide margin.  was never a big fan of baby fat and thought he received way too much hype from being carried down the field back in college.  Ghey!

and once Jeremy "fair catch" bloom gets the axe, Culpepper can have his old #11 back.
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« Reply #27 on: Aug 11, 2008 at 00:28 »

Interesting Scenarios....  A lot longer than I thought to heal a collar bone... 6-8 w/ surgery and 10-12 w/o.

So, what the heck we do on final cut day?  I surely dont want to see 4 QBs on our roster.  Dixon for sure is going to make the team.  4 QBs mean that some one is going to be the odd man out, like Reid, Russell, Mundy, Drummond, etc...  All who I think could be valuable to have around in their respective roles.

(BTW, I think we take 5 WRs ... but Russell could be SOL.  Parker, Mendenhall, Moore, Davis...(Dixon?)...  would they need any more backs in this system in the next couple years? I guess thats another conversation.)

Given that Batch's situation is no longer an optimistic 4-6 weeks, and Leftwich's salary will be guarenteed when we hit week 1, maybe Charlie will end up on IR, giving us the 3 QB final roster.
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« Reply #28 on: Aug 11, 2008 at 07:40 »

Apparently Culpepper will sit and wait for a starting gig.

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Leftwich, 28, signed a one-year, $605,000 deal to join the Steelers. Because he signed for a minimum exception contract, the deal will only count $445,000 on the Steelers salary cap. Leftwich was chosen over Daunte Culpepper, who also visited the Steelers Sunday.

The reason the Steelers picked Leftwich over Culpepper is because Leftwich felt more comfortable with the role the Steelers were offering. Ben Roethlisberger is the starter and Batch is expected to be the backup when he gets healthy again. Culpepper was hoping for a chance to compete for a starting job.


 
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« Reply #29 on: Aug 11, 2008 at 10:14 »

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Leftwich, 28, signed a one-year, $605,000 deal to join the Steelers. Because he signed for a minimum exception contract, the deal will only count $445,000 on the Steelers salary cap. Leftwich was chosen over Daunte Culpepper, who also visited the Steelers Sunday.

The reason the Steelers picked Leftwich over Culpepper is because Leftwich felt more comfortable with the role the Steelers were offering. Ben Roethlisberger is the starter and Batch is expected to be the backup when he gets healthy again. Culpepper was hoping for a chance to compete for a starting job.

 Well, tell 'em to hop on the Interstate and arm roll his way over to Chicago or maybe back to his old stomping grounds in Minny.  Hell, he might want to make a quick stop in Green Bay too since he'll be in the neighborhood.  He'll know after tonight if it's worth his time or not.
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