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« on: Sep 22, 2008 at 01:14 »

Let me start off by saying that I don't judge a team based on one week's performance.  We played fantastic the first two weeks, then looked horrible today (on offense, at least).  I'm not saying the season is a lost cause, but....

The problems with this team (OL play and DL depth) were not addressed at all in the offseason.  Losing Snack and Keisel will magnify our lack of depth on the defensive front.  As for the OL, we all saw how they played today.

I am glad we did draft a RB and WR in the first two rounds this year.  A WR, I might add, that was behind Dallas Baker on the depth chart today (unless Sweed was hurt).

So, we basically have the same team we had last year, plus a more difficult schedule.  Even with the Pats losing Brady, the Chargers and Colts struggling, and the Browns looking like pretenders, I still don't see us as a Super Bowl contender.  Playoff contender....probably .

Oh yeah, Ben is going to get hit as much as last year.  That $100 million investment really needs protection or he won't play 10 games this year.
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« Reply #1 on: Sep 22, 2008 at 03:54 »

im ready for the steelers to spend money this offseason on a big name O Linemen through free agency even if that means a major cut i.e. ike, FWP, farrior, ect. sorry but this line needs adressed ASAP. mcfadden has proven himself, ike can kiss my ass. sorry i just stopped drinking since the game, 12 hours of drinking and stupid thinking, has me thinking our o line is going to cost ben 3-4 season of his career with all these hits he is taking!
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« Reply #2 on: Sep 22, 2008 at 11:06 »

There is no excuse for the oline being this poor.  There is no excuse for the FO doing nothing about it in the offseason.

And there is no excuse for BA/Ben not realizing that our oline stinks and making the necessary adjustments.

Arians must have been drinking the Houston/Cleveland koolaid.  Hopefully he now knows what happens to a mediocre oline against a nasty defense.
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« Reply #3 on: Sep 22, 2008 at 12:36 »

This is why so many people have freaked about the failure to draft offensive lineman in the last two drafts.  Yes, Timmons, Woodley, Mendenhall and Sweed were all probably good value picks, and all made sense (Timmons aside) given the flow of the draft.  The problem is, as we saw with Timmons last year and Mendenhall and Sweed now (and many others before them), is that you cannot expect rookies to come into the NFL and immediately contribute.  It happens sometimes, but that is the exception.  That means there is no solution for the rest of 2008, and even if we draft OL 1&2 next year there probably won't be a solution in 2009 either.

The easy answer then is to throw lots of money at the problem.  I would argue that it produces the same results (but inverted) as what has happened in the draft.  Sure, we would address a need, but the cost it would inflict on the team in other areas may make the answer worse than the problem.  Moreover, we would be paying for past production - kind of what the Jets just did with Faneca - and not what we would actually be receiving.

What this means, at least to me, is that the failure of the draft gods to bless us with the necessary OL draftees means that we will be wasting the next two years (at least) until we are able to fix the problem.  The only ways to avoid this two year downtime is (a) Starks takes a massive step forward; (b) Hills turns into a major draft steal, or © we draft OL in both rounds 1 and 2 next year and one turns into an immediate contributor.  If two of those three things occurs than maybe 2009 will be an improvement. I am not hopeful, you never know.
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« Reply #4 on: Sep 22, 2008 at 14:58 »

...and while we are wishing for a fairy godmother to fix our offensive line with lucky draft picks in the next draft, maybe she can wave her wand and make our defensive line 3 years younger, since we've been ignoring that as well...
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« Reply #5 on: Sep 22, 2008 at 19:49 »

Correct me if I'm wrong as I'm doing this all from memory...

1st round pick:  0 carries, 1 catch

2nd round pick:  Deactivated

3rd round:  Deactivated

4th round:  Deactivated

5th round:  Deactivated (3rd QB)

6th round picks:  Cut and cut




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« Reply #6 on: Sep 22, 2008 at 20:02 »

Biggest disappointment is Bruce Davis...two UDFA LBs have played ahead of him on STs (Woods and Bailey)

Edit:  The Steelers have to make the 3rd and 4th rounders sure things, especially with a likely 3rd round comp for Faneca.  Can't have projects from those rounds next year.
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« Reply #7 on: Sep 23, 2008 at 14:21 »

Screw the 3rd rounders...use them to move up in the first, or package to trade for an additional second.

 Normally, I wouldn't lobby to trade picks, but, I'm tired of projects and whims (like punters, return specialists, second TE's). So fuck it, trade up and get solid starter-material for OL/DL. That must be the sole focus in '09, unless some crazy skilled defensive back pops up at our spot.

No more 3rd,4th,5th round OL/DL shitbags who mull around the roster for 2 years, then get cut. We need some horses, dammit.  Dig deep and sign a solid veteran FA (if available), and draft the BAOL or BADL on the board.  
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« Reply #8 on: Sep 23, 2008 at 21:05 »

I totally agree, Lambert.  Here's a look at our drafts over the past few years:

2008

1    Rashard Mendenhall    Illinois    
2    Limas Sweed    Texas    
3    Bruce Davis    UCLA    
4    Tony Hills    Texas    
5    Dennis Dixon    Oregon    
6    Mike Humpal    Iowa    
6    Ryan Mundy    West Virginia    
 
2007

1    Lawrence Timmons    Florida State    
2    LaMarr Woodley    Michigan    
3    Matt Spaeth    Minnesota    
4    Daniel Sepulveda    Baylor    
4    Ryan McBean    Oklahoma State    
5    Cameron Stephenson    Rutgers    
5    William Gay    Louisville    
7    Dallas Baker    Florida

2006

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« Reply #9 on: Sep 24, 2008 at 07:31 »

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That must be the sole focus in '09, unless some crazy skilled defensive back pops up at our spot.

Honestly, I'm not sure that we can even afford to do that.  I feel like we're almost in a position where we may have to reach in R1/R2 because the need is so overwhelming.

But again, I stress:  With our skill players, we have enough to compensate even for this oline.  Defense is a different story, just hope Keisel is a fast healer.
 
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