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« on: Oct 09, 2008 at 15:57 »

Penguins acquire forward Zigomanis from Phoenix
Thursday, October 09, 2008
By Dave Molinari, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Penguins have acquired forward Mike Zigomanis from Phoenix for considerations.

Zigomanis, 27, split last season between the Coyotes and San Antonio of the American Hockey League. In 33 games with Phoenix, he had two goals and an assist; he had 10 goals and 15 assists in 27 games with the AHL Rampage.

Zigomanis (6 foot 1, 195 pounds) was selected by Buffalo in the first round of the 1999 entry draft, but re-entered the draft in 2001 and was claimed by Carolina in the second round.

Zigomanis, who can kill penalties, has 19 goals and 14 assists in 167 career games with Phoenix and Carolina.

Also, center Jeff Taffe cleared waivers and was assigned to the Penguins' farm team in Wilkes-Barre.

More details in tomorrow's Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08283/918755-100.stm
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« Reply #1 on: Oct 09, 2008 at 16:13 »

Solid signing for a team that lacks quality face-off men.  The guy ranked seventh in the NHL with a 56.2% face-off percentage.  Not a bad and not a great penalty killer.  He's only making $650,000 and is a UFA at the end of the season.  Typical Shero move.

While he will not put up Sid/Malkin numbers, he's a quality depth signing and will look good on a fourth line in my opinion.  An overall smart signing in my opinion.
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« Reply #2 on: Oct 10, 2008 at 13:14 »

Looks like Zigomanis will fill the void left by Adam Hall. Hopefully he can be somewhat of an upgrade. I thought Hall served his purpose but was rather average in doing so. If Zigomanis can play even a little above average it will be an upgrade. I still don't understand the Taffe demotion. Not that Taffe will be missed all that much, but even with the addition of Zigomanis, the roster is still short a player or two. Not to mention the loss of Sykora for who knows how long.
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« Reply #3 on: Oct 16, 2008 at 02:48 »

He's looking pretty damn good up to this point.  Scored a goal and is 14-5 (73.7%) on faceoffs.

I'm more concerned with not being able to find Sid a LW.  Fedotenko has already been demoted.  While Dupuis scored the OT goal, I can't count how many times Sid set him up and he failed to either put it away or take the pass cleanly.  Personally, I can't blame Fedotenko or Dupuis, they are both third line wingers and good ones at that in my opinion.  Pessonen might be back up here sooner rather than later.

I'm still going to be patient with Satan, but much like at the beginning of the season, I still feel there were better options out there for RW's to play next to Sid.  Eitherway, up to this point, minus scoring a PP goal, Satan hasn't shown me shit.  Hopefully they start gelling.  They may want to start right now.  I keep hearing that "it's early in the season".  Unfortunately, last time I checked, the points you either gain or lose in the beginning of the season all add up at the end of the season.
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« Reply #4 on: Oct 16, 2008 at 06:53 »

IMO: Miro Satan = Ziggy Palffy

Both washed up. Both have a lack of motivation. The Pens hoped/are hoping they re-energize their careers. I disliked the Satan signing from the start and new that Fedotenko wouldn't last on Sid's line. Finding someone to play with Sid is becoming a yearly ritual and Sid deserves better. I can't fault the FO on losing Hossa but I can point a finger for passing on certain players and settling for Satan. It's early but Naslund is playing well, Huselius has a couple goals and Ryder is off to a good start.
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« Reply #5 on: Oct 16, 2008 at 07:43 »

Totally agree here. The FO's number one job should be to find Sid a finisher. We lost Hossa, whatever, that doesn't mean you have to trot a bunch of has been's a never-was's out there.

And I'm not advocating breaking the bank, signing a 7 million dollar winger, but Jesus, get a guy with some hands who can finish and has some upside. Satan is like an old man out there. Fedotenko does not belong anywhere near the top two lines. Dupuis has had more setups from Sid bounce off his stick harmlessly since he's been here than I can count.

Problem is, how do we aquire one? Next offseason or deadline deal? We can't keep giving up draftpicks. And for all the talk about the surplus of defensemen we had, we can't afford to lose another one.



On the plus side we get to watch Geno make Alex his bitch tonight.
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« Reply #6 on: Oct 16, 2008 at 09:51 »

I've been Satan's #1 advocate here. and I'm not about to back off now.  We're 4 games in, folks.  Give it at least 25, and then we can start talking deadline deals. 
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« Reply #7 on: Oct 16, 2008 at 10:10 »

I've been Satan's #1 advocate here. and I'm not about to back off now.  We're 4 games in, folks.  Give it at least 25, and then we can start talking deadline deals. 

Hope you're right. I'm not one of those "the sky is falling" types, especially 4 games into a hockey season. I realize how long it took this team to find a grooze last year.

But it doesn't change the fact that I look at this roster,and besides Sid and Geno, I see a whole bunch of blah.
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« Reply #8 on: Oct 16, 2008 at 23:55 »

I think its a sad state of affairs when Dupuis is playing on a first line, let alone beside the greatest player in the world and the team that i follow on a regular basis.

Im ok with Satan, think he will put up decent numbers, dupuis will be lucky to break 10 goals through May.

lines 1/2 are going to be fine even with that runt playing on Sid's line, but god help us if Sid or Geno go down any length of time.  the 3rd and 4th lines are absolute garbage.

guess i got a little OT there.  Listened to the radio PBP the other night and the 2 niner was splooging all over the booth about Zigomanis' FO skills.  its been such a very long time coming that we had any consistent FO man.
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« Reply #9 on: Oct 17, 2008 at 01:11 »

IMO: Miro Satan = Ziggy Palffy

Did you see the opportunity he missed at the beginning of the third period of the Caps games?  Christ ol' mighty.  Beautifully setup and he bumbled the pass.  It's not as if it was a complex play from Sid or anything like that, it was a routine setup, Satan was wide open and untouched.  Godard could have put it away, or at least got it on net.  It was unbelievable.

And Merman, I'm thinking deadline deal.  That's if we want to make a deep playoff run this season.  Or we can continue to watch teams in our division get better and better.  The Rangers are a new and improved team.  The Flyers actually have their defense back.  New Jersey is always a pain in the ass for our boys.  Who knows what Shero is willing to trade?  Some keep saying it's impossible that he would trade (Insert Name Here) during this upcoming trade deadline, but this is a guy who traded Christensen, Armstrong, Esposito and a first round pick for Hossa and Dupuis in order to get that extra push. 

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« Reply #10 on: Oct 17, 2008 at 12:50 »

It's early but Naslund is playing well, Huselius has a couple goals and Ryder is off to a good start.


Huselius is the guy I wanted them to pick up during the offseason.  The guy already has two goals in three games while playing on the Rick Nash line.  For as much as we are spending on both Fedotenko and Satan, I would rather have seen the Penguins go out and sign Huselius for the 4 years, 19 million he is currenctly receiving from Columbus.

I've said it all before when it comes to Huselius.  He's only 29 (compared to Satan's 33).  In 2005 he managed 39 points in 54 games while playing on a Calgary team which stressed a defensive style system.  In 06-07 he held a point streak which lasted 15 games.  In that same season, he had 77 points (34 goals and 43 assists).  The guy has 108 assists over three seasons and he's capable of putting the puck in the net with 74 goals over three seasons.  Also, nevermind the numbers and stats.  The main reason why I wanted him is that he's fits our system.  A 29 year old LW with the speed and burst to be able to hang with Sid.  He's a hell of a playmaker who is also capable of putting the puck in the net.

Not bad for a little under 5 million a year.

For the record, I'm a huge Shero fan, but minus signing Sykora and Hossa (Hossa was a no brainer), he hasn't done the greatest job in the world when it comes to signing forwards for the top two lines.  I know Recchi is loved in this city for what he did two friggin' decades ago, but an over-the-hill and used up Mark Recchi was fine for one season, but to make the decision to resign him was not the greatest idea in the world.  Nils Ekman and his six goals was another one that comes to mind.   

I'm completely aware of the fact that a GM can't get them all right, but when you have the greatest player in the world on your team, you might want to get that one right.  The guy took a cut in pay (could have easily received over 10 million) in order for this team to get the talent to play on the first line and you go out and get Fedotenko to play on his left wing and when that doesn't work out you put Pascal Dupuis next to him?  Come on now.  This has nothing to do with it only being four games into the season, Dupuis did not work on that LW last season.  Fedotenko will not work on that line this year or two years from now if he's still on this roster.  He's a third line winger at best.  Minus an unproven winger in Pessonen, we are out of options on that LW and the more and more I watched Pessonen during TC and preseason, the more and more he reminded me of Koltsov.  Good speed, good hands, but can't put the puck in the net.  On the RW, it remains to be seen, but it's not looking good and I didn't like it before and I don't like it now.  The "he played on the Islanders last season" excuse can only last so long.

While I'm not ready to take the Fort Pitt Bridge, I believe there is some reason for concern.  I'm holding out hope that Shero will make some moves from now up to the deadline.  While I can't stand Bob Smizik, I actually agreed with him this morning when I opened up the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette...

Ring the alarm ... maybe: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08291/920681-194.stm
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« Reply #11 on: Oct 17, 2008 at 13:08 »

And on that note, here come the line changes......

Malkin joins Crosby as Therrien shakes up lines
Friday, October 17, 2008
By Dave Molinari, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin will be linemates when the Penguins face Toronto Saturday night at Mellon Arena. Coach Michel Therrien had Crosby between Malkin and Pascal Dupuis during practice at Southpointe Friday. Also, Therrien overhauled all of his forward lines. The rest look like this: Ruslan Fedotenko - Jordan Staal - Petr Sykora; Miroslav Satan - Max Talbot - Tyler Kennedy; Paul Bissonnette - Bill Thomas - Eric Godard. Center Mike Zigomanis missed practice because of an unspecified injury, but said he expects to be able to play against the Maple Leafs.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08291/920737-100.stm

Satan all the way down to the third.  Ouch.  Apparently it doesn't remain to be seen for Therrien.

So now since Satan was bumped down to the third, that moves Malkin up to Sid's line.  Now the opposition only has to worry about one line instead of two.  This should be fun to watch until we learn the same old lesson when it comes to pairing Sid and Malkin on the same line, your production drops off from your second line.   I hope I'm wrong with this comparison, but from what I've seen over the years....

Fedotenko-Staal = Snail-Sloth


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« Reply #12 on: Oct 17, 2008 at 16:28 »

I knew this was going to happen (Sid-Geno line). For the reason you mentioned, I am not a fan of the Sid/Geno same line experiment.

Re Satan: IMO he has two garbage goals this year, seems extremely sluggish when skating with Sid, and blew an oppurtunity at a wide open net in the Caps game. The one spot he has excelled this year, actually, seems to be digging pucks out along the boards.

I'm completely with you on the subject of Huselius. Exactly the type of guy we should have taken a flyer on.

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« Reply #13 on: Oct 17, 2008 at 16:48 »

Also for the record, I'm all for Therrien switching up the lines.  He has to get some type of spark going.  We can't keep going at this rate, no matter if it's only the #5 game of the season or the #45.  The guy has to do something.  It's just a shame he doesn't have much to do something with.  Dupuis, Fedotenko, Kennedy and apparently Satan are not the answers on that first line.

I've said it once and I'll say it again.......Sid is amazing, but he can't turn shit into gold.
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« Reply #14 on: Oct 18, 2008 at 10:31 »

A more in-depth read on the changes....

Penguins' Crosby, Malkin to play on same line
Saturday, October 18, 2008
By Dave Molinari, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Playing Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin together is Michel Therrien's nuclear option, the one he breaks out only in the most dire of circumstances.

He puts his two best players on the same line only when the Penguins are desperate for offense, usually because they're in imminent danger of losing a game.

That's not the case now. Not exactly, anyway.

The danger now is that if the Penguins (2-2-1) don't begin to generate some even-strength goals, they might lose lots of games.

They enter the game tonight against Toronto at 7:08 at Mellon Arena with just one five-on-five goal -- courtesy of fourth-line center Mike Zigomanis -- in their past four games, during which time they are 1-2-1.

So Therrien has opted to unite Crosby, Malkin and left winger Pascal Dupuis while reconfiguring the rest of his forward combinations in the process.

The other units during a workout yesterday at Southpointe were Ruslan Fedotenko-Jordan Staal-Petr Sykora, Miroslav Satan-Max Talbot-Tyler Kennedy and Paul Bissonnette-Bill Thomas-Eric Godard.

Zigomanis did not practice because of an unspecified injury but said he expects to be able to play tonight. He presumably would step back into the spot Thomas filled yesterday.

Malkin is the Penguins' leading scorer, with two goals and four assists in five games. Crosby doesn't have a goal yet but has set up four, while Dupuis, a blue-collar winger, got the winner in a 3-2 overtime victory against Philadelphia Tuesday but hasn't earned an assist.

Dupuis, though, is hardly the headliner for this group. Crosby and Malkin get top billing, along with increased pressure to be productive.

"We have to create things, for sure," Crosby said. "When we're put together, we have to make things happen."

Malkin endorsed the move. "I think it's a good line," he said. "Sid is a good player, a good passer." Therrien pointed out that it has yielded goals in the past.

"We did that last year -- putting those two together -- and it seems to work," he said.

The downside, of course, is that opponents can focus their defensive efforts on that line, deploying their checking line and top defensive pairing against the Crosby-Malkin tandem rather than having to choose one on which to focus.

Therrien acknowledged that it's extremely unlikely Crosby and Malkin will play together for an extended period.

"I'm not saying they're going to remain together for the rest of the season," he said. He tried to put an upbeat spin on other aspects of his line-juggling.

"It will give Jordan a chance to get back to his natural position," he said, "so there are a lot of positives about it."

If Therrien's switches work, the Penguins might well build a lead this evening. That hasn't been a problem so far this season, though, because the Penguins have been in front during four of their first five games.

The tough part has been making those leads stand up, as they've won just two of those four games and didn't get the winner until the final 25 seconds of overtime on both occasions.

"We have to do a better job [of protecting leads], but we went through the same thing last year," Crosby said.

Numerous factors, including a power play that sputtered before going 3 for 6 against Washington and a penchant for losing defensive-zone faceoffs at inopportune times, have contributed to the trouble the Penguins have had staying in front once they get there.

"It's a matter of knowing you can't let up," Crosby said. "Sometimes, it's easy to do that when you have the lead. We have to realize how to play with the lead."

That failing was apparent during the third period of their 4-3 loss to Washington Thursday, when the Penguins were outshot, 21-6, and outscored, 3-0. After the game, Therrien labeled the Penguins' performance during those final 20 minutes "unacceptable" and "immature," and he seemed only slightly less aggravated about it yesterday.

"We didn't pay attention to detail, and that was the result we got," he said. "You have to pay attention to detail, you have to remain focused. Because you have one or two bad shifts [doesn't mean] you have to change the game plan.

"You're allowed to have one bad shift. You can't have a bad game."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08292/921005-61.stm
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« Reply #15 on: Oct 19, 2008 at 09:15 »

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Minus an unproven winger in Pessonen, we are out of options on that LW and the more and more I watched Pessonen during TC and preseason, the more and more he reminded me of Koltsov.  Good speed, good hands, but can't put the puck in the net.
...Begs to differ.

Pessonen has 5 points in 3 games (1 goal and 4 assists) for the Baby Pens, give him another month getting used to North American hockey and another month of the garbage skating on the top 2 lines in Pittsburgh, and he will be up with the big boys. Baring a trade, that's Shero's last option.
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« Reply #16 on: Oct 19, 2008 at 11:23 »

If he can prove to me that he can do it at the NHL, then I will stand corrected.  Until then, going by what I saw in preseason at the NHL level, he has trouble finishing.  There are plenty of players in the minors who can score goals, but that doesn't automatically make them ready for the jump to the NHL level.  If that were the case, Chris Minard would have been playing next to Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin last night.  Jonathan Filewich would have been on this roster two seasons ago and we have already seen what both of those players can do at the NHL level........nothing.

By no means am I stating Pessonen will automatically stink it up at the NHL level, it's just scary that we could be banking on a unproven, raw winger to play next to the best player in the world.  I'm more than willing to see what can do on that first line (again), but I'm not holding my breath.  We do not have the greatest history when it comes to bringing up top-line wingers through our system.  Like I said before, Pessonen has a number of great attributes to play in the 'new' NHL.  Unfortunately, you need more than speed and good hands.  He will be expected to score goals on that line, something he had trouble doing at the NHL level.

 
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