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« on: Oct 29, 2008 at 12:23 »

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27436937

Okay, now I totally disagree with her "Drill baby drill" crap.  There are already millions of square miles of land that the oil companies could develop for drilling--IF they wanted to provide more oil (which they don't). 

However, I completely agree--contrary to most people I have encountered--that our dependence on foreign oil is creating a major terrorist threat and causing us to be in constant conflict with terrorist-supporting states in the middle east.  We need to take MAJOR steps to move away from OPEC.
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« Reply #1 on: Oct 29, 2008 at 13:00 »

Yes, our nation definitely needs to get off the foreign oil because it is a major factor in regards to our threat of homeland terrorism, transfer of our wealth, and our foreign policy. But lost in all this, is that we need to get off oil completely, not just foreign oil. The "Drill, Baby, Drill" bullshit is a move to further line the pockets of big oil and does nothing to promote alternative renewable energy resources. She and the Repubs have desperately wanted to get into ANWAR for years now, even though it won't do shit for overall energy production. Props to McCain for still being opposed to that. No matter how you cut it, the US only has 3% of the oil reserves in the world.

Although, I am obviously for Obama(having voted for him already), I agree that we must move forward with a nuclear power agenda. Nuclear power, coupled with electric cars, goes a long way towards getting us off oil period. If France can power nearly their entire country with nuclear power safely, the good ole USofA surely can. Yes there are certainly environment and safety concerns, but its possible to do. Just a side note to McCain/Palin- Thats great you want 40 or so new plants, but who's going to pay for it? They go for about 10 billion a pop. Government going to help? Sounds like socialism to me, you hypocritical fucks.

The one area where Ms. Palin might have some credibility is energy policy. However, if you look closely at what she has done, you might be surprised. Basically, her "standing up to big oil" is her making them pay more taxes and redistributing that money among Alaskans. Thats great, but its basically what she is calling Obama a socialist for, and she raised taxes. The big pipeline? May not ever be built, and come to find out the bidding process was so restricted only one company could make a legit bid, and of course that company had major ties to Palin's administration, including the state's negotiator, who had worked as a paid lobbyist for said company. So, its not like I think what she did was bad, but her attacks on Obama for what she herself did/ and is currently doing are just another smokescreen laden ed with fear and divisiveness.

I certainly don't believe everything Obama says, but I don't believe anything Ms. Palin says.

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« Reply #2 on: Oct 29, 2008 at 13:11 »

Best analogy yet for the "Drill, baby, drill" mindset was someone comparing it to the eve of the PC revolution, and some Luddite crying out for more typewriters.

Yep, what we need is more damned typewriters.  That'll be the ticket for the coming years.
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« Reply #3 on: Oct 29, 2008 at 14:46 »

Believe me, I'm not drinking any Palin koolaid.  Just sayin' that on this issue, I agree with her in principle if not in practice.  But the "Drill baby drill" thing...absolutely an asinine outlook, IMO.

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I remember as a kid growing up in South Carolina hearing about all the problems with nuclear waste.  We were basically the dumping ground for it from all over the country.  How do we handle that now, and what are the environmental implications?  Surely the technology must be cleaner and safer, but I've heard the same thing about coal.

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« Reply #4 on: Oct 29, 2008 at 14:47 »

Oh, and when I get time, I'm going to post a perspective on this whole "Redistribution of Wealth" issue.
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« Reply #5 on: Oct 29, 2008 at 14:49 »

Believe me, I'm not drinking any Palin koolaid.  Just sayin' that on this issue, I agree with her in principle if not in practice.  But the "Drill baby drill" thing...absolutely an asinine outlook, IMO.

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If France can power nearly their entire country with nuclear power safely, the good ole USofA surely can.

I remember as a kid growing up in South Carolina hearing about all the problems with nuclear waste.  We were basically the dumping ground for it from all over the country.  How do we handle that now, and what are the environmental implications?  Surely the technology must be cleaner and safer, but I've heard the same thing about coal.


Tell me.  I grew up in the shadow of TMI.

I'm for nukes if you can give me pretty conclusive proof that they're safer now, esp. against terrorist shenanigans, and that there's a plan for spent fuel.  Sure, just bury it on Indian lands, right?
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« Reply #6 on: Oct 29, 2008 at 14:55 »

Oh, and when I get time, I'm going to post a perspective on this whole "Redistribution of Wealth" issue.

Please do.

I've long had a refutation of the flat tax that I've never articulated.  Obama's "socialism" is a tweak of existing tax code nearly a century old.  Basically, rolling back the cash grab for the highest earners that Bush doled out.

Hmmmm, giving more money to the middle class... Yeah, that's a bad thing, because the super-rich sit on their money and the middle class spend it on goods and ser-- oh wait, that would actually help the economy.

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« Reply #7 on: Oct 30, 2008 at 06:37 »

Oh, and when I get time, I'm going to post a perspective on this whole "Redistribution of Wealth" issue.

Please do.

I've long had a refutation of the flat tax that I've never articulated.  Obama's "socialism" is a tweak of existing tax code nearly a century old.  Basically, rolling back the cash grab for the highest earners that Bush doled out.

Hmmmm, giving more money to the middle class... Yeah, that's a bad thing, because the super-rich sit on their money and the middle class spend it on goods and ser-- oh wait, that would actually help the economy.

Nevermind.

IF Obama was actually taking money from the rich....The new proposed tax increase is for those making $150,000 or more. Um. That is not rich. Saw the link for reference yesterday, but cannot find it today. Even if it is not true, and it is still $250,000 or more, that still is not rich. Is it wealthy in WV? Well, maybe not wealthy, but doing very well. But NYC, are you kidding me? $250,000 is not even remotely close to rich.

I am not rich, I don't make anywhere close to $150,000 or $250,000, but it is 100% wrong on principle alone, IMHO. Really, it doesn't matter, both candidates are socialists anyways. Don't let McCain fool you, he is just a little less socialist. He absolutely voted for the bailout, and nationalization of banks...Um, socialism.

Vote for Bob Barr.
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« Reply #8 on: Oct 30, 2008 at 07:28 »

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When did he stop hosting the "Price is Right"?
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« Reply #9 on: Oct 30, 2008 at 07:30 »

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When did he stop hosting the "Price is Right"?

When it became a friggin' Cleveland lovefest.
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