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Author Topic: 50 Million votes in and the popular vote is tight  (Read 1818 times)
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« on: Nov 04, 2008 at 21:21 »

With 34% of the votes counted.  They're saying it's about an 800K difference at the moment.

But the electoral vote is a blowout at 207 to 95.

The senate is standing at 54 - 36.
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« Reply #1 on: Nov 04, 2008 at 21:33 »

Yeah, popular vote don't mean nuttin'.
See: Bush/Gore 2000
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« Reply #2 on: Nov 04, 2008 at 21:51 »

True dat.  FL and VA are going to Obama, that's 40 more.  You know CA will and that's another 55.  That's puts him to 302-95, done deal.
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« Reply #3 on: Nov 04, 2008 at 22:08 »

obama wins fuck yes
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« Reply #4 on: Nov 04, 2008 at 22:14 »

For once the polls were actually correct.   clap  yeh  applause  hello2 usa2
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« Reply #5 on: Nov 04, 2008 at 22:39 »

I cannot express how excited I am by this.
I truly, deeply believe in this man.

I know there is always the chance they will turn out not to be the person you believe them to be, but I have my HOPE to guide me.
 clap eck02 yeh

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« Reply #6 on: Nov 04, 2008 at 23:57 »

Up by about 4 million now... Solid as Barack!!
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« Reply #7 on: Nov 05, 2008 at 01:16 »

Up by about 4 million now... Solid as Barack!!

Peaches and Herb, baby, Peaches and Herb.
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« Reply #8 on: Nov 05, 2008 at 06:50 »

Congratulations to President-elect Obama and the Dems for a sweeping victory. It is kind of liberating really. I hope they do a good job and take our country in the good direction. It certainly will be a different one. I wish him well. It really is hard not to like the guy (hopefully he will earn my trust). He is a hell of a speaker. While watching the 2004 DNC, I turned to my wife during his speech and said, "There is your next president." Not a bad prediction, eh?

After 16 years of just completely partisan politics, my hope for this country is that both sides can come together. It really has been exhausting. We are one country, under God, indivisible, (and now there is really no reason to not say) with liberty and justice for all. Congratulations again.
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« Reply #9 on: Nov 05, 2008 at 08:36 »

We all know he has hard work ahead.  I tempered my enthusiasm over the political win with the knowledge that the bigger win -- Obama turning around some very difficult cirumstances for our nation -- will involve a considered strategy, bipartisan support, and not a little luck.  I truly believe that folks who think he's some ultra-liberal will find he is not that, and it's my guess that he appoints at least one Republican to a prominent Cabinet post.  (Hagel to DoD or Homeland?  Powell to SoS or DoD?  Lugar?) 

Some of this economic shit will, I hope, work itself out through the mechanisms of the marketplace.  But certainly not all.  I was no fan of the bailout, but we've committed to that tab.  How the economy fares will determine Obama's first term, IMO.  If the economy is still in the tank in 2012, those first time voters and African-Americans who have been so disenchanted will be asking, "What were we thinking?"  If the Dow is back to 12 or 13K, and we're pulling out of Iraq over the next 16 months, that will be a start.  Staunching the slow bleed of jobs overseas may take a while.

I'm curious to see how he plans to invest in infrastructure and renewable energy, and how that will affect jobs for the middle class.  Will his middle class tax break have a meaningful impact?  Reversing the job flow will be a huge challenge.

On national security, we can only hope that efforts in Afghanistan, with Pakistan very bristly right now, can be wrapped up quickly as well.  Meaning, capture/kill ObL and destroy much of the al Qaeda and Taliban leadership, and return Afghanistan to self-rule as well.  And obviously, the threat of domestic terrorism is never far from our minds, and I see Obama's foreign policy sea change as one that will hopefully obviate the threat, but keeping vigilant against another 9/11 will always be front and center.

There are a whole host of other issues  -- SC appointments, immigration, environmental issues, social issues -- but I think Obama needs to focus on economy, the wars, and national security. 

God speed.  Do America proud. 
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« Reply #10 on: Nov 05, 2008 at 08:58 »

We all know he has hard work ahead.  I tempered my enthusiasm over the political win with the knowledge that the bigger win -- Obama turning around some very difficult cirumstances for our nation -- will involve a considered strategy, bipartisan support, and not a little luck. 

No doubt about it.  But it will be nice to have a leader who understands this.  He says he'll work to unite and not divide whereas with W it was the "My way or the highway" approach that was divisive and deconstructive.  And look where we are now. 

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Obama will surround himself with the right people for the job regardless of their party affiliation.  And he'll get to make at least one very important Supreme Court appointment as well.

How much more damage can W do between now and next January?  I shudder to think.

Yeah, Obama's work is cut out for him.
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« Reply #11 on: Nov 05, 2008 at 09:33 »

IIRC, Bush gave lip service to the whole uniter thingey.  I don't doubt Obama's sincerity, but implementing a broad agenda and reaching out to the minority party will be a tough thing.  But at least, as you say, he gets it, whereas Bush needed Cheney and his handlers to spoon-feed it to him.  Not really a "uniterer" after all.
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« Reply #12 on: Nov 05, 2008 at 09:39 »

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IIRC, Bush gave lip service to the whole uniter thingey.  I don't doubt Obama's sincerity, but implementing a broad agenda and reaching out to the minority party will be a tough thing.  But at least, as you say, he gets it, whereas Bush needed Cheney and his handlers to spoon-feed it to him.  Not really a "uniterer" after all.

The only uniting Bush ever intended was to get everyone to do things his way.

I must admit that it was awe-inspiring to see a black man become President of the United States.  I told my son, "There is no way to imagine how this feels for black people, especially those who were alive through the 60s."

Man has a tough, tough job ahead of him.  If he can even come close to pulling us together and getting the country moving again, it'll be a job well-done.
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« Reply #13 on: Nov 05, 2008 at 09:54 »

I appreciate the enormity of having someone who is of African-American descent win the presidency.  For my part, race never entered into my consideration of the candidate, except to hope that some nutjob doesn't take a potshot at him.  What I see in Obama is the image he's been selling, neither black nor white, but like America, a melting pot. 

Mrs. F. works in a large state office, with a lot of black co-workers.  She never discusses politics at work, but had someone (black) actually confront her yesterday and say, "Well, I guess you're voting for McCain."  The Commonwealth has strict rules about politics in the workplace, but apparently that was nowhere in sight yesterday.  She said it was like a giant party, almost as though black voters think Obama is going to make them rich. 

It is a great moment in history, but like black athletes who broke barriers, he still gotta go out and play the game.  I don't think we should celebrate that a man who has black heritage won, but rather that the era when a black man could not be elected is over.  And there's a difference.  Hopefully we elected the best and brightest leader, who just so happens to be black. 
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I don't think we should celebrate that a man who has black heritage won, but rather that the era when a black man could not be elected is over.  And there's a difference.  Hopefully we elected the best and brightest leader, who just so happens to be black. 

Fo' shizzle.  :ph34r:
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« Reply #15 on: Nov 05, 2008 at 10:03 »

It is a great moment in history, but like black athletes who broke barriers, he still gotta go out and play the game.  I don't think we should celebrate that a man who has black heritage won, but rather that the era when a black man could not be elected is over.  And there's a difference.  Hopefully we elected the best and brightest leader, who just so happens to be black. 

Ditto that.
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« Reply #16 on: Nov 05, 2008 at 10:21 »

Did McCain start the election night with an ill-advised onside kick?

I was keeping an eye on the electoral count last night, but it was never really close...at least when I checked in.

By the end of the night, I was referring to John McCain as Reginald Denny.
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« Reply #17 on: Nov 05, 2008 at 10:24 »

The most ironic thing was Bush calling McCain to congratulate him on a campaign well run.

McCain must be thinking, "You fucked me over TWICE now, you bloody twat..."
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« Reply #18 on: Nov 05, 2008 at 10:26 »

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McCain must be thinking, "You fucked me over TWICE now, you bloody twat..."

Within a couple of years, he won't remember if he won or lost.
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« Reply #19 on: Nov 05, 2008 at 10:36 »

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McCain must be thinking, "You fucked me over TWICE now, you bloody twat..."

Within a couple of years, he won't remember if he won or lost.

You wanna get an over/under on how long till he kicks it going?
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« Reply #20 on: Nov 05, 2008 at 10:52 »

That reminds me, my Dead Pool wish list has been neglected for the last several months.

Hmmmm.
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« Reply #21 on: Nov 05, 2008 at 11:58 »

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I tempered my enthusiasm over the political win with the knowledge that the bigger win -- Obama turning around some very difficult cirumstances for our nation -- will involve a considered strategy, bipartisan support, and not a little luck.

I tempered my enthusiasm with Wild Turkey 101.
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« Reply #22 on: Nov 05, 2008 at 12:25 »

It is a great moment in history, but like black athletes who broke barriers, he still gotta go out and play the game.  I don't think we should celebrate that a man who has black heritage won, but rather that the era when a black man could not be elected is over.  And there's a difference.  Hopefully we elected the best and brightest leader, who just so happens to be black. 

Ditto that.

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