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« on: Nov 21, 2008 at 10:31 »

Or fake hardwood floors.

Anyone install any hardwood laminate products lately. All of our upstairs carpet needs to be replaced, but we're not going to opt for carpet in the office this time.

Took a quick glance at Lowe's a few days back at the snap together shit. Was eyeing the stuff with the foam already on back.


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« Reply #1 on: Nov 21, 2008 at 10:44 »

We did a nice wood laminate for our kitchen/dining room area. Looks really nice, and is holding up. One plank per board. We had a three plank per board laminate in our kitchen before, and I didn't like the look of it. The one that has each individual plank is much nicer IMO.
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« Reply #2 on: Nov 21, 2008 at 13:29 »

Laminates do a much better job of holding up to traffic; are more durable; require less maintenance; and are easier to install.

Hardwood floors might look a little nicer and are considered pluses if you're looking to sell, but sooner or later, ya gotta refinish 'em. 

Honestly, I think it really comes down to price and preference.  Some people just view laminates as "cheap" and some see them as just as good as hardwood.  Laminates can usually be done (depending on how easy a room you have) by a mildly handy homeowner while hardwood floors generally require professional installation, hence increased costs.

The one thing I'll tell you is to consider is the noise.  If you're going to install either on a second floor, it'll get a lot more noisy on the first floor.  Carpets can be a PIA, but they serve as a kind of sound deadener.

Hope this post helped to confuse you even further.  You're welcome.

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« Reply #3 on: Nov 21, 2008 at 13:36 »

A couple of different people in my neighborhood installed laminate themselves.  Looks really nice.  They made it look easy.

I've refinished hardwood before.  It's a job.

Have installed neither.
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« Reply #4 on: Nov 21, 2008 at 13:44 »

This is just an upstairs bedroom we use as an office. The only traffic is usually someone sitting at the computer.

We still have the shitty carpet that the builder put in (model home) upstairs. Rolling the chair back and forth in front of the computer didn't help the carpet, even though we did have chair mat down.

We'll still end up putting something on the floor in front of the computer, so the chair isn't rolling directly on the new floor. That could get a little loud. Other than that, I'm not too worried about the sound.

Might have to mute the videos though.

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« Reply #5 on: Nov 21, 2008 at 14:26 »

We have hardwoods which, when we bought in 2000, were OK, but now...  The poly's peeling up, and the dog is hard on the floors.  The LR and DR need redone badly.  Most of the upstairs is OK (pulled up carpet in my den, floors look good; hallways have runners; BRs might need redone sometime).

I've done home projects every year, but this one is one I dread.  Not the sanding, dust, staining and polying per se... More like, I gotta move all that furniture, wait for stuff to dry, figure out the traffic logistics while stuff is drying that will allow animals to get to where they need to go...  It would almost make sense to do 1/2 of the LR and 1/2 of the DR, and then switch to the other halves.  Not sure how the overlap areas would look, though.
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« Reply #6 on: Nov 21, 2008 at 14:45 »

I can't imagine refinishing while still living there.  My only time was before we moved into a house, or maybe after but the rooms were empty.
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« Reply #7 on: Nov 21, 2008 at 16:18 »

We have hardwoods which, when we bought in 2000, were OK, but now...  The poly's peeling up, and the dog is hard on the floors.  The LR and DR need redone badly.  Most of the upstairs is OK (pulled up carpet in my den, floors look good; hallways have runners; BRs might need redone sometime).

I've done home projects every year, but this one is one I dread.  Not the sanding, dust, staining and polying per se... More like, I gotta move all that furniture, wait for stuff to dry, figure out the traffic logistics while stuff is drying that will allow animals to get to where they need to go...  It would almost make sense to do 1/2 of the LR and 1/2 of the DR, and then switch to the other halves.  Not sure how the overlap areas would look, though.

Consider a polyacrylic instead of polyurethane.  It has more of a matte finish (even though it's called "glossy") as opposed to the typical high gloss, glassy look of polyurethane, but it dries in a coupla hours.  Supposedly, it's more durable too.

That's what we did in the LR to make it look nicey nice for listing.  Easy.  Quick.  3 coats.  1 day.  OK for foot traffic in a few hours, IIRC and furniture was back in the room within 24 hours.
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« Reply #8 on: Nov 24, 2008 at 08:26 »

I have absolutely nothing to offer on selection or installation.

If most of the house/upstairs is carpet, it might look funky, in a selling situation, if one room is hard wood/laminate and every thing else is carpet.

Just trying to complicate the issue!!!!!
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« Reply #9 on: Nov 24, 2008 at 08:48 »

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If most of the house/upstairs is carpet, it might look funky, in a selling situation, if one room is hard wood/laminate and every thing else is carpet.

The foyer downstairs is hardwood and the split staircase is as well. There are still two other bedrooms plus the master upstairs, so I think we can spare one. It will always be the office / Dr. J. room, so I like the hardwood look.

And...there's an unfinished basement. So if some breeders want to buy it, they can build a pen below.

I didn't realize they make a laminate cutter. I was thinking I'd have to run down to the garage each time I wanted to make a cut. Hopefully, I can rent one of those deals. I'll be hitting up my neighbor for all the tools necessary.
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« Reply #10 on: Nov 24, 2008 at 12:54 »

Dude - you didn't say it was also the Dr J room.  Now it all makes sense.  You gotta go with the Parquet (SP?).  Put up a novelty hoop somewhere in the room and it is 137%
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« Reply #11 on: Nov 24, 2008 at 13:29 »

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You gotta go with the Parquet (SP?).

That's so Boston.

I have had people ask if I'm going to paint the old Spectrum center court logo on when I'm done. Don't think the Mrs. would be on board.
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« Reply #12 on: Nov 25, 2008 at 07:51 »

The Dr did plenty O damage on the Parquet, and it just screams old school.  Ok, Boston/Philly, it's really all the same innut?  I suppose not.  That is being very unkind to Philly!!!!!
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« Reply #13 on: Nov 25, 2008 at 08:04 »

Now I'm leaning toward true hardwood, rather than the laminate. Found out my next door neighbor just did his MB this weekend. He's offered to lend a hand and has all the tools. A little more thinking involved...and a little more coin.

Maybe just paint the plywood.
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« Reply #14 on: Nov 26, 2008 at 21:55 »

Now I'm leaning toward true hardwood, rather than the laminate. Found out my next door neighbor just did his MB this weekend. He's offered to lend a hand and has all the tools. A little more thinking involved...and a little more coin.

Maybe just paint the plywood.

Dude, totally keep me in the loop with your flooring skills.
I'm in the process of buying a house, and am already seeing replacing the carpet with hardwood in the near future. 
I may need a hand, or at least some advice.
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« Reply #15 on: Nov 27, 2008 at 07:51 »

Hardwood it is. Picked up 10 boxes last night at Lowe's. Had to work my way thru 3 employees to finally chat with the manager. Convinced him give me the 10% discount if I applied for the Lowe's CC. Hey, it was $84 off!

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« Reply #16 on: Nov 29, 2008 at 20:11 »

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« Reply #17 on: Nov 29, 2008 at 20:35 »

Damn, that looks great.  You do not fuck around.
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« Reply #18 on: Dec 01, 2008 at 10:13 »

I is disapppointed.  Only 111 images in your photobucket album?  I expected a compendium.

That's prefinished hardwood, right?  The only thing I'll caution you about (sorry for not remembering to mention this before you bought...) is do NOT buy planks that have V grooves.  What I mean by that is when you put two pieces together, you don't want to have pieces that have a cross-section that looks something like this:

--v--

That's a bad picture and I hope you get the idea.  When we bought ours, we made that mistake.  What ends up happening is the V grooves between the planks end up being shit collectors.  Once they get dirty, they're pretty hard to get totally clean.  When we had the floors redone recently, I had them sand the shit out of the floor to basically eliminate the grooves.  There are still some, but they're nowhere near as bad.

Can't tell from the pics if you went with those or not.  Guess it's kind moot at this point anyway.  Nice job and a quick turnaround time.  You'd be a shitty contractor.
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« Reply #19 on: Dec 01, 2008 at 10:35 »

I can't get to photobucket, but I'll check out the pics later.

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« Reply #20 on: Dec 01, 2008 at 14:13 »

Done.




This is not all what I expected from otis' hardwood photo collection.

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« Reply #21 on: Dec 01, 2008 at 15:41 »

Yeah, that's pre-finished. Not sure if they have the same V-groove you're referring to. We have the same stuff downstairs and it still looks fine after about a decade. I just wanted to match it up.

Now the Mrs. wants me to do the loft and dining room. Not anytime soon.

What a fucking job. But...an installer quoted my neighbor about $700 to do his MB.

If it meant the Steelers would pound a hated rival on Sunday, I'd do a 12 hour install every Friday.
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« Reply #22 on: Dec 01, 2008 at 21:21 »

Yeah, that's pre-finished. Not sure if they have the same V-groove you're referring to. We have the same stuff downstairs and it still looks fine after about a decade. I just wanted to match it up.

Now the Mrs. wants me to do the loft and dining room. Not anytime soon.

What a fucking job. But...an installer quoted my neighbor about $700 to do his MB.

If it meant the Steelers would pound a hated rival on Sunday, I'd do a 12 hour install every Friday.

I got a loft and great room/hall combo ready whenever you are.   Wink

What did that set you back, if you don't mind me asking?
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« Reply #23 on: Dec 01, 2008 at 21:36 »

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I got a loft and great room/hall combo ready whenever you are.

Whether you do it yourself or get me to do it for you, the price you'll pay is being bent over and sore for the better part of a day.  Grin

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What did that set you back, if you don't mind me asking?

The hardwood was $80/box - covers 20 sq. ft. I bought 10 boxes.
Spent about $35 for nails.
Pretty much borrowed all the tools.

Lowe's also had engineered hardwood, that was about $30/box - covers 15 sq. ft. The only actual hardwood is just the thin layer at the top. Looks good though and can be refinished.
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« Reply #24 on: Dec 01, 2008 at 23:29 »

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I got a loft and great room/hall combo ready whenever you are.

Whether you do it yourself or get me to do it for you, the price you'll pay is being bent over and sore for the better part of a day.  Grin


That's just Otis being Otis.
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« Reply #25 on: Dec 02, 2008 at 19:43 »

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I got a loft and great room/hall combo ready whenever you are.

Whether you do it yourself or get me to do it for you, the price you'll pay is being bent over and sore for the better part of a day.  Grin


That's just Otis being Otis.

And exactly what I expected.
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