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« on: Jan 20, 2009 at 01:29 »



It was a fucking TD. Some dude I work with was arguing with me about it today, but there is no way you can consciously make that decision in my opinion. He had two feet down and extended the ball(a football move, no?) and broke the plain. What's the problem? Sure the ball bounced loose after it hit the ground, but it already crossed the plain and he had made a football move. Am I delusional here, or was that just a blown call?
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« Reply #1 on: Jan 20, 2009 at 01:51 »

I personally don't think it was a TD, but not because it wasn't a catch. It was definitely a catch. He had 2 feet down with possession and made a football move. And the ground can't cause a fumble. I just think the ball didn't break the plain before it hit the ground. IMO, the original field call by the ref's was correct, 1st and goal from the 1/2 yard line( more like the 2 inch line). SH takes like 4 steps and OBVIOUSLY dives for the GL by putting his left hand on the ground. The ref's used a bad interpretation of the rule that a receiver falling down while catching the ball has to maintain possession after hitting the ground regardless if he has 2 feet down. Holmes clearly made a football move though, establishing possession, and therefore negating the falling receiver possession rule.
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« Reply #2 on: Jan 20, 2009 at 05:37 »

The worst part is, you don't even have to make a football move anymore.  That part of the rule has been changed I believe.  There is absolutely no question that they blew that call.  Then you have ol' Nantzy Pants, and Simms talking about how it was the right call....Was anyone listening to Hilgrove and Tunch?  What was their reaction to the reversal?  He literally took 3 steps, had clear possession of the ball, and then dove for the end zone.  If that wasn't a catch, then they changed the requirements for a catch.  Absolutely fucking terrible.  Something needs to be done before next season, because this year, (not just for the Steelers) was atrocious. 

Someone called in to a talk show yesterday and asked how it was possible for these 50 & 60 year old officials to run up and down the field with the best atheletes in the world?  No wonder they miss calls...
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 20, 2009 at 06:20 »

The old officials didn't miss the call on the field. The spot was correct IMO. Where they blew it was the replay. SH took at least 2.5 steps and definitely made a football move diving toward the end zone. Fortunately, in spite of the very poor officiating (on both sides, but mostly toward the Ratbird side), the Steelers made it to the Super Bowl.
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« Reply #4 on: Jan 20, 2009 at 07:26 »

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SH took at least 2.5 steps and definitely made a football move diving toward the end zone.

That's exactly what I was thinking.  The missus said they got it right.  I said, "How can you catch the ball, take three steps, and dive towards the goal line and call it an incomplete pass?" 

I'll betcha they would have called it a fumble if the ball had bounced away from him.  According to this definition, I'm not sure Willis McGahee (sp?) fumble wasn't an incomplete pass.  Luckily, Harbaugh had blown all his challenges.
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« Reply #5 on: Jan 20, 2009 at 07:39 »

I agree with most everyone else. The initial call on the field was correct. When SH dove forward, the ball hits the ground before it breaks the plane, giving the Steelers a 1st down on the 1/2 yard line. I don't think there should have been any question as to it being a catch or not. He clearly had possession of the ball, took two or three steps and then dove forward.
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 20, 2009 at 07:58 »

Maybe he'll think about hanging on to the ball next time. 

I appreciate the effort trying to get a TD, but I hate how players score TD's or finish a running play and don't have the ball.  I'm sure I'm in the minority on this one, like end zone celebration crap.
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« Reply #7 on: Jan 20, 2009 at 08:28 »

Funny part is listening to Simms change his mind multiple times during the replays.  I actually missed this play - was driving back from son's hockey game to hotel, missed about 10 minutes of the game.  First time I've seen this one.  they called that incomplete?  On replay?  Absurd.  Had possession, total control until he dove for the end zone.  Knees never touched.  Either TD catch, or, if you want to say the ball was coming out of his hand while stretching for end zone, catch, fumble, recovered by Holmes, TD. 
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« Reply #8 on: Jan 20, 2009 at 08:40 »

It was definitely a catch and I'm almost certain it was a TD, but when they said Tomlin had pulled out the red flag, I thought to myself "Tomlin - don't be greedy. The refs very well could review this thing and say not only did he not score, but he also never had possession."

I think the League was trying to give the Gavens a makeup call for the controversial Santonio TD in the previous matchup between the two teams.
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« Reply #9 on: Jan 20, 2009 at 09:21 »

I think the League was trying to give the Gavens a makeup call for the controversial Santonio TD in the previous matchup between the two teams.

That was my thought exactly.  Make-up calls suck, unlike make-up sex.
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« Reply #10 on: Jan 20, 2009 at 09:28 »

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That was my thought exactly.  Make-up calls suck, unlike make-up sex.

Mmmmm...makeup sex...bad thing is, the wife and I rarely argue, and so we don't get to...

Wait, this thread was about football, wasn't it?  Sorry, got distracted!
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« Reply #11 on: Jan 20, 2009 at 09:44 »

With these types of calls, you're gonna win some and you're gonna lose some.

Bottom line: Holmes needs to worry about holding onto the damn ball in that situation. Leave no doubt. There are a lot of close calls in the NFL, and some of them will go against you unjustly. But play so you leave no doubt.

Btw, that was a friggin' catch. Dude took about 4 steps with the ball. What's he got to do, pull out a sharpie and sign the damn ball?
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« Reply #12 on: Jan 20, 2009 at 10:31 »

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Holmes needs to worry about holding onto the damn ball in that situation. Leave no doubt.

Yes, and even with our short-yardage shortcomings, I'll take 1st and goal at the one over incomplete any day.  Secure the catch before you worry about trying to score--and forward that memo to Limus Sweed.
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« Reply #13 on: Jan 20, 2009 at 10:35 »

At the time I thought it was a TD but saw another angle and thought it hit the ground before crossing the plane.  Never thought the catch was in question.  It was obviously a catch, a HUGE blown call by the refs.  He made the catch, secured it and stepped forward, was tackled and the ball came out when he hit the ground.  Play over, 1st and goal.

It's mind-boggling that the ref could see it any other way.
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« Reply #14 on: Jan 20, 2009 at 10:40 »

They seem so hung up on the 'going to the ground with ball' thing that they weren't really paying attention to how long he had control.

If it just would have broke the plane, it would have been a TD whether it comes out or not.

Left some points out there.

God bless FWP, but the guy my be a worse receiver than Bus.
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« Reply #15 on: Jan 20, 2009 at 10:47 »

There were several points in this game where my heart just started pounding.  The terrible reversal of that call was one of them.  Some others:

-The punt return to our 17 (and as much as I can't stand Berger, give him credit for the solid take-down)

-The Limus Sweed drop

-Failure to spike the ball and kick a FG

-Empty Set on 3rd and 1

-The Berger Shank

All of those just conjured up images from the past of Tony Martin, ODonnell-to-Foster, Kordell throwing picks in the EZ, Troy Brown, blocked FGs, Rodney Harrison, phantom holding call on Aaron Smith...

I really started feeling like we were headed for another crushing home loss.  And then along comes Troy!

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« Reply #16 on: Jan 20, 2009 at 11:23 »

That's almost as bad as the reversal of Troy's INT vs. Indy in the '05 playoffs.

I couldn't see exactly where he came down, but he was hit by the defender, so when his elbow hit the ground he was down.  The "control all the way down" rule doesn't really apply here since he obviously demonstrated control with 2 feet down.  Sorry, but you can't stretch the ball out in your hand like that if you don't have control of the ball.

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« Reply #17 on: Jan 20, 2009 at 11:29 »

And then along comes Troy!

Wasn't that an 80s sitcom?
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« Reply #18 on: Jan 20, 2009 at 18:27 »



God bless FWP, but the guy my be a worse receiver than Bus.

I still can't believe he dropped that.  Had some open space, he could have gone a long way with it.

In Willie's defense, it would be nice if he had more practice catching passes out of the backfield throughout the season, and that's on BA.  It's probably kinda weird for him to see a football coming to him any other way then a direct handoff from Ben.
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« Reply #19 on: Jan 20, 2009 at 18:43 »

FWP has the hands of Limas Sweed. Poor guy.
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« Reply #20 on: Jan 21, 2009 at 04:00 »


I still can't believe he dropped that.  Had some open space, he could have gone a long way with it.

I think it has to hit your hands to count as a drop.  IIRC, that pass never made that far as his shoulder pads got in the way.
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« Reply #21 on: Jan 21, 2009 at 09:55 »

And then along comes Troy!

Wasn't that an 80s sitcom?

Starring Kirk Cameron no doubt.
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« Reply #22 on: Jan 21, 2009 at 11:46 »

OK here is an interesting scenario....SH dives and the balls come out and the ravens recover.  It is called a fumble on the field, assuming he is not touched, do the refs reverse it then and call it an incomplete pass?

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« Reply #23 on: Jan 21, 2009 at 11:52 »

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OK here is an interesting scenario....SH dives and the balls come out and the ravens recover.  It is called a fumble on the field, assuming he is not touched, do the refs reverse it then and call it an incomplete pass?

And you wonder why your head hurts?

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