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Author Topic: Finally! Respect for Ben.  (Read 1151 times)
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« on: Feb 03, 2009 at 07:08 »

First let me say....WOOOOO-FUCKIN-HOOOOO!!!!!!
I am so damn happy I can't stand it!!

So, I watched the game with the Sis & BIL at the ESPN Club at Disney.  TONS of Steeler fans, and only one jag-off AZ fan/Steeler hater.  Other AZ fans were cool.

But I had to drive to Palm Beach Monday morning, so listened to ESPN radio on the way down.  Mike & Mike, Cowherd, local dudes, pretty much to a man said Ben must now be considered elite.  Cowherd even shut down a caller who started with "How many league MVPs has he won?"
He said, when he's in the league with Peyton & Beardy, and he's only in his 5th year, the league MVP is gonna be hard to get.  But he's got 2 rings and all he does is win.

Awesome.  I know there will always be the idiots that can't appreciate what Ben is and what he does, but it's nice to hear that some of them finally get it.

Personally, while I agree Tone was awesome, I woulda voted for Ben as MVP.

Oh, and the Sis, BIL & nephew got to see the parade at Disney & Tone in the car with Mickey.  Bitches.... cussing

Oh, and one more thing....
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« Reply #1 on: Feb 03, 2009 at 07:49 »

I still don't think Ben is getting the respect from the HOF voter types.  Everyone on sports TV yesterday say he is not in the Manning and Brady club.  According to the mass media types, he isn't a pure QB, a wouldn't be able to get it done dropping back and throwing the ball.

I want to see Brady and Manning play behind the Steeler o-line and throw to Hines, a developing Holmes (last coupla years) and Washington.  Throw in Arians, and neither one of them would be more than 8-8.

LC-  too bad you couldn't hang at Disney another day or two.  Fun place.
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« Reply #2 on: Feb 03, 2009 at 08:06 »

I simply do not care how he is viewed in the media's eyes.  Yeah he is not your typical drop back, smile at the camera, and sling it all over the field guy.  So what, he is a two time SB champ and is 26 years old.  He is on a team who's core is around his age, i.e. Troy, Tone, Heath, LaMarr, Lawrence.

I can see at least 2 more SB victories for this "unconventional" QB of ours...and I will take that over looking pretty anyday.

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« Reply #3 on: Feb 03, 2009 at 08:10 »


Oh, and one more thing....
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Emoticons? That's all we get? First they water down the Super Bowl commercials, and now this. Sigh
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« Reply #4 on: Feb 03, 2009 at 08:59 »

Ben is getting MORE respect, but still not as much as he deserves.  Why he deserves more is summed up in this comment:

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I want to see Brady and Manning play behind the Steeler o-line and throw to Hines, a developing Holmes (last coupla years) and Washington.  Throw in Arians, and neither one of them would be more than 8-8.

Exactly. 

I still think the most apt comparison for Ben is Elway.  Elway didn't really start putting up huge numbers until the mid-90s.  He always threw a lot of pics.  Although they had a great defense, he played on some pretty mediocre teams, as we saw in the Super Bowls where they just got killed. 

But, he was known for those game-winning drives, for making huge plays when they had to be made, for finding ways to win.  Does that sound like anyone we know?

I still think that Brady is probably the best all-around QB in the game.  However, at this point I don't think that I'd prefer him over Ben.  Manning is still world-class, but he's not "better" than Ben.  I'd put Rivers and Warner up there as well, but not over Ben.  So, why not Brady over Ben?

Because Ben fits this team.  He fits this city.  He is exactly the kind of quarterback that you need in Pittsburgh--big, strong, resilient.  He's not worried about style, he's not worried about critics, he just wants to win.  That's our team, our city, and he is our franchise QB.

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« Reply #5 on: Feb 03, 2009 at 10:43 »

Agree so much with all the points in this thread.

To take the Manning/Ben debate seriously for a second. When you ask, 'who's had the better career?' I think it's becoming a lot harder than it seems on its face to say that Manning should be ranked higher than Ben.

The main part of the argument for Manning is just numbers. Stats. And they're impressive. He's been rock-solid and consistent. Counter-argument is that he's played on a team that's always invested heavily in offense.

But Manning has led his team to the playoffs 9 times. In 6 of those appearances, the Colts went belly-up in their first game, often as a home favorite.

When you consider how Manning has played against the best competition -- forget the stats, much of which was built pummeling bad Texan, Jaguar, and Titan teams -- he just pales in comparison to Ben.
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« Reply #6 on: Feb 03, 2009 at 10:50 »

Who's a better Qb......Manning , Brady, Ben.......


Who cares?


I agree with what Savran had to say on the subject.....


I'm more than happy with the guy we have at QB..........
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« Reply #7 on: Feb 03, 2009 at 11:32 »

I still think the most apt comparison for Ben is Elway.  Elway didn't really start putting up huge numbers until the mid-90s.  He always threw a lot of pics.  Although they had a great defense, he played on some pretty mediocre teams, as we saw in the Super Bowls where they just got killed. 

But, he was known for those game-winning drives, for making huge plays when they had to be made, for finding ways to win.  Does that sound like anyone we know?

Preachin' to the choir, sir.
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« Reply #8 on: Feb 03, 2009 at 11:46 »

I still think the most apt comparison for Ben is Elway.  Elway didn't really start putting up huge numbers until the mid-90s.  He always threw a lot of pics.  Although they had a great defense, he played on some pretty mediocre teams, as we saw in the Super Bowls where they just got killed. 

But, he was known for those game-winning drives, for making huge plays when they had to be made, for finding ways to win.  Does that sound like anyone we know?

Preachin' to the choir, sir.

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« Reply #9 on: Feb 03, 2009 at 11:56 »

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I still think the most apt comparison for Ben is Elway.  Elway didn't really start putting up huge numbers until the mid-90s.  He always threw a lot of pics.  Although they had a great defense, he played on some pretty mediocre teams, as we saw in the Super Bowls where they just got killed. 

But, he was known for those game-winning drives, for making huge plays when they had to be made, for finding ways to win.  Does that sound like anyone we know?

Preachin' to the choir, sir.


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« Reply #10 on: Feb 03, 2009 at 16:56 »

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I still think the most apt comparison for Ben is Elway. 

I'll have to agree.  Until the last year or so, I thought Ben compared to Favre with his style.  But a couple of things have changed my mind.

1)  He's learned that throwing a bunch of picks is a bad idea, something Favre never did figure out.

2)  He's got more rings than Favre.

3)  He improvises better than Favre.

When all is said and done, if Ben plays 10 more years at this level, he will be considered better than Favre, even if he doesn't have his stats (which he won't).

I was never a huge Elway fan, but I like the comparison.
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« Reply #11 on: Feb 03, 2009 at 17:28 »

I simply do not care how he is viewed in the media's eyes.  Yeah he is not your typical drop back, smile at the camera, and sling it all over the field guy.  So what, he is a two time SB champ and is 26 years old.  He is on a team who's core is around his age, i.e. Troy, Tone, Heath, LaMarr, Lawrence.

I can see at least 2 more SB victories for this "unconventional" QB of ours...and I will take that over looking pretty anyday.

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« Reply #12 on: Feb 03, 2009 at 17:41 »

you should've just punched her in the face.


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« Reply #13 on: Feb 03, 2009 at 17:45 »

you should've just punched her in the face.




Nah, didn't want to spend the game in the VB jail!
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« Reply #14 on: Feb 03, 2009 at 17:46 »

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« Reply #15 on: Feb 03, 2009 at 18:47 »

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I still think the most apt comparison for Ben is Elway.

I was watching the lost ring series a couple weekends ago and unno, watching Fran Tarkenton scramble was exactly like Ben alluding the pass rush and using the entire field to make a pass.  He definitely has elways ability to master a 2 minute drive.  so what im saying he's a little of both IMO.
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« Reply #16 on: Feb 03, 2009 at 19:52 »

I still don't think Ben is getting the respect from the HOF voter types.  Everyone on sports TV yesterday say he is not in the Manning and Brady club.  According to the mass media types, he isn't a pure QB, a wouldn't be able to get it done dropping back and throwing the ball.
I have to admit I haven't seen much TV, but the ones I have seen have said Ben definitely belongs in the same conversation as Peyton & Beardy.  Today I heard him called a "hybrid" of the two.  Which is a little true, but with a lot more "it" thrown in.  That's what someone else said.   Ben has "it".

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LC-  too bad you couldn't hang at Disney another day or two.  Fun place.
  Oh, I came back. And I'm here the rest of the week.  Just sorry I missed Tone.

you should've just punched her in the face.

Nah, didn't want to spend the game in the VB jail!

But you shoulda gone back and punched her in the face after the game...
 wacko

Personally, I've been known to punch people when they say shit about the boys....but then, I have a bunch of friends who are lawyers...


Oh, and one more thing....
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Emoticons? That's all we get? First they water down the Super Bowl commercials, and now this. Sigh

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Who knows what I may do when I get back and re-watch the game.
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