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« on: Feb 05, 2009 at 11:26 »

Bull-fucking-shit it wasn't.

That's what some yahoos are claiming based on this picture:



Obviously, that's a split second snapshot that follows the catch and both feet touching.  It's not too hard to post a picture where his feet are beginning to come off the ground.

This one shows his toes being much closer to (if not touching) the ground:



And, FWIW, here a video of the catch.  You can see he has to elevate slightly to make the catch.  After he does, you can see his feet come down and "bump" the ground.  If you watch very closely, his right foot (the foot in question) appears to turn slightly when that happens.



I'm just putting these up here for reference because I'm sure as time passes, other pictures further confirming that it was a TD will surface.  Feel free to add them here.

Oh, and if somebody runs their mouth complainin' that it wasn't a catch, this serves as a good place to find proof to the contrary.
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« Reply #1 on: Feb 05, 2009 at 11:36 »

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« Reply #2 on: Feb 05, 2009 at 11:45 »

Rabbit punching and dong dangling Holmes news.  Win the SB MVP and stuff starts popping up, so to speak.  I'm not even posting those pictures.

http://slowbreaker.com/pages/landing/?Santonio-Holmes-is-fast-rabbit-chasing-f=1&blockID=37931&feedID=2233
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« Reply #3 on: Feb 05, 2009 at 11:47 »

From the angle of the legs in the top pic, he was already well on his way to falling down. At that point, yeah, the toes came up because he was falling and going out of bounds at that point. Aw hell, why the fuck am I even bothering? Refs called it, so it counts.
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« Reply #4 on: Feb 05, 2009 at 11:49 »

Yeah, yeah, I know.

But, it's still fuckin' nice to have visual proof to jam down their gullet.
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« Reply #5 on: Feb 05, 2009 at 11:52 »

SI cover:
http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/cover/toc/11069/index.htm
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« Reply #6 on: Feb 05, 2009 at 12:20 »

A guy I was talking to brought up the Holmes catch, and I honestly could not even believe it. How on Earth can you possibly say that he didn't get both feet down? Ridiculous. Needless to say, I ended the conversation pretty quick.
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« Reply #7 on: Feb 05, 2009 at 13:34 »

Do you need any more proof than this?

http://www.azcentral.com/i/sized/1/8/0/e905/j1000/PHP4988EE6A3E081.jpg

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« Reply #8 on: Feb 05, 2009 at 13:51 »

You know what? I'm actually kind of enjoying this. It's like the look on Madden's face every time the Immaculate Reception is brought up. Every time we see Whiz talk about this Super Bowl for the next fifty years, he'll cringe and his left eye will twitch.
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« Reply #9 on: Feb 05, 2009 at 13:54 »

You know what? I'm actually kind of enjoying this. It's like the look on Madden's face every time the Immaculate Reception is brought up. Every time we see Whiz talk about this Super Bowl for the next fifty years, he'll cringe and his left eye will twitch.


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« Reply #10 on: Feb 05, 2009 at 14:26 »

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« Reply #11 on: Feb 07, 2009 at 15:16 »

"Controversies" like this are my least favorite part of football. People love to act as though the refs robbed their team by bringing up any number of calls where an inch or tenth-of-a-second here or there makes the difference.

This complaining assumes that the players involved are just the helpless playthings of the whim of the refs. But -- they're not. The Cardinals could have, I don't know, covered the only guy we were throwing to the entire drive. Or they could have defended Roethlisberger better instead of letting him dance around for 5 seconds.

Same thing with the Warner fumble on their last play. Their line couldn't block a 3-man rush. Warner took his sweet ass time on the play -- all he was supposed to do was put a high throw in play. Well, he waited too long, and it sucks to be him.

My point is: if you make plays that cut it close, you're giving the refs an opportunity to call it against you.

And yes, I feel the same way about the Holmes catch that was taken away in the Ravens game. I think it was a catch, but I think Holmes was trying to do too much on that play and failed to control the ball. I think the same thing about the Polamalu interception against the Colts in the playoff game from a few years back. Polamalu should have just cradled the ball and given us possession but instead I think he wanted to be a hero and run around with the ball (or to be more generous, scoring with the ball in hand is just so instinctive that he wanted to pop up immediately and haul ass).

People complain about the refs in the NFL so much that it tends to dominate the post-game conversation of any big game.  I'm just so sick of it!!! There really aren't that many blatantly bad calls in the NFL, IMO. There are close calls that can go either way, but there really aren't that many Hochuli moments in football.
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« Reply #12 on: Feb 07, 2009 at 15:40 »

Dude, I hate whiners as much as anybody, but whatever Troy's pick was or wasn't, it definitely WAS an interception.
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« Reply #13 on: Feb 08, 2009 at 11:48 »

I'm with ya.  We shouldn't have to try and explain or validate a victory to other teams fans.  Our favorite team just won the Super Bowl, shut up about the bullshit controversies and let us enjoy it.

I honestly think a lot of it has to do with Lombardi Envy.  If the situations were reversed and the Cardinals won in the EXACT same manner as the Steelers did, no one would have brought it up because everybody loves an underdog.  Other teams' fans are jealous of us Steelers fans, and I guess I can't really blame them. 
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« Reply #14 on: Feb 09, 2009 at 07:56 »

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People complain about the refs in the NFL so much that it tends to dominate the post-game conversation of any big game.  I'm just so sick of it!!! There really aren't that many blatantly bad calls in the NFL, IMO. There are close calls that can go either way, but there really aren't that many Hochuli moments in football.

Agreed.  Over the course of the game, MOST calls balance out.  Missed calls amount to a bunch of "what ifs" that can never be proven.  Plus, if you're going to ask "What if" about a call on the last play of the game, then you have to ask "What if" about that missed holding call on play 17.  In the end, it usually balances out.  Blaming the refs is the recourse of losers!  Grin

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I honestly think a lot of it has to do with Lombardi Envy.  If the situations were reversed and the Cardinals won in the EXACT same manner as the Steelers did, no one would have brought it up because everybody loves an underdog.  Other teams' fans are jealous of us Steelers fans, and I guess I can't really blame them. 

There's more than a little truth in that statement.
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« Reply #15 on: Feb 09, 2009 at 08:09 »

I honestly think a lot of it has to do with Lombardi Envy. 

Well of course it is.  Have you seen how tall that trophy is?  It also has girth on it's side.  I'm jealous right now.

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« Reply #16 on: Feb 09, 2009 at 10:24 »

they need to make a limited edition Super Bowl XLIII Longbardibong.
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« Reply #17 on: Feb 09, 2009 at 13:43 »

they need to make a limited edition Super Bowl XLIII Longbardibong.

By "they" I assume you mean "you".

Besides, I believe the NFL rulebook explicity states that calls are non-reviewable once the victory parade has been held.
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« Reply #18 on: Feb 09, 2009 at 15:29 »

Dude, I hate whiners as much as anybody, but whatever Troy's pick was or wasn't, it definitely WAS an interception.

I agree and I know what you mean! I have no doubt it was an interception. But my point is that Troy lost his grip on the ball and by doing so, he put the play in the hands of the refs. If he secures the ball, it isn't an issue.
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