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« on: Feb 06, 2009 at 17:36 »

He's a bit like Mewelde Moore but faster



http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/Lions+Steelers+steal+running+back+Stefan+Logan/1257767/story.html

And when he was coming out of college

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=67472&draftyear=2007&genpos=RB

sub 4.5  speed and good hands.

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« Reply #1 on: Feb 06, 2009 at 17:42 »

Thanks for the linkage.  He was mentioned in a different thread, but unless you've religiously read all the threads you'd have missed it.  I suppose this news is worthy of a new thread.

Welcome aboard, BTW!
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« Reply #2 on: Feb 06, 2009 at 17:49 »

So he was told he'd have a chance to compete for KR/PR duties... I can buy that.  Third down back?  Behind FWP, Mendenhall (presumably), Moore, and Russell?  Uh, doubtful.  That speed is nice and all, but the dude is rather slight: 5'6 1/2", 177#... who was that tiny KR guy out of Notre Dame we had in camp a few years ago?

Anyhoo, Logan was in the Giants camp in '07, cut, signed and cut from the Fins practice squad as well in '07. 

Speed is nice, but his size is an issue, frankly.  Doubt he's signed with much/any guaranteed, and has to be a long shot to make the cut, but at least we're lookin'.

Still say the way to go is a late round depth WR who has KR/PR experience, as we need both.  RB depth, maybe not so much.

Still 'n' all, the black and gold has been home to more than a few UDFA success stories.
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« Reply #3 on: Feb 06, 2009 at 17:52 »

Thanks for the linkage.  He was mentioned in a different thread, but unless you've religiously read all the threads you'd have missed it.  I suppose this news is worthy of a new thread.

Welcome aboard, BTW!


Thanks and yep I missed the other thread mentioned. Now you know why I lurked for over 6years
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« Reply #4 on: Feb 06, 2009 at 18:01 »

Good Lord, time to jump in the pool, son...

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« Reply #5 on: Feb 06, 2009 at 18:04 »

This guy had 6 years to kill and Brinker was down to 6 days.

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« Reply #6 on: Feb 06, 2009 at 22:52 »

Thanks for the linkage.  He was mentioned in a different thread, but unless you've religiously read all the threads you'd have missed it.  I suppose this news is worthy of a new thread.

Welcome aboard, BTW!


Thanks and yep I missed the other thread mentioned. Now you know why I lurked for over 6years


That's some serious lurking.  Like finny said, welcome aboard and don't be a stranger.  Post away!
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« Reply #7 on: Feb 06, 2009 at 23:36 »

Meh...its nice they are thinking about upgrading the worst pair of KO returners in Davis and Russell, but I doubt "Joystick" will make the team. What RB is he going to beat out? FWP, MM, GR, and RM seem pretty entrenched. Throw in Davis and thats 5 roster spots right there. They had Bloom in camp last year, and he is a similiar player, except he tried to make the team as a WR. They didn't give Bloom a roster spot last year to only be a KR, and I don't see it happening this year. He didn't get a signing bonus, so that ought to tell you something about his chances.
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« Reply #8 on: Feb 07, 2009 at 08:02 »

I don't know the answer as far as roster moves, but Russell returning kicks is an absolute joke.  The mentality tells me they really aren't even trying to score, or advance the ball to decent field position.
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« Reply #9 on: Feb 07, 2009 at 08:03 »

Thanks for the linkage.  He was mentioned in a different thread, but unless you've religiously read all the threads you'd have missed it.  I suppose this news is worthy of a new thread.

Welcome aboard, BTW!


Thanks and yep I missed the other thread mentioned. Now you know why I lurked for over 6years


I think when you lurk for 6 years you could be considered a peeping tom or a stalker.

Glad you posted.
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« Reply #10 on: Feb 07, 2009 at 09:46 »

The solution would be easy. If this guy can return kicks it's bye-bye Kerry Davis. Gary Russell is a better short yardage back. Moore is a better third down back. Don't know how good of a blocker Mchugh is, but he always seems to at least get a body on someone, which makes him a better blocker than Kerry Davis.

The coverage unit improved 100 % from 2007 to 2008. If we get that kind of improvement from out KR game, whether it be via draft or FA signing, watch out.
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« Reply #11 on: Feb 07, 2009 at 11:30 »

I still think that the KR has to contribute in ways other than the return game.  He (or she, I'm not sexist!), has to either be helpful on coverage on special teams  or an able WR/RB/DB. 

I think we are deeper (with a healthy Mendenhall) at RB, so, I'd prefer either a DB or a WR.
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« Reply #12 on: Feb 07, 2009 at 13:52 »

I agree that his chances are slim but I like the fact that the team is looking for a solution. I don't see Russell and Davis as locks but FWP, RM, and MM are ...Joystick was considered to be the most exciting player in the CFL, but that is almost like saying the best JUCO player. I don't know what he will bring and could end up like Bloom but the FO is looking for an upgrade. Size wise he would be the second shortest player in the league, Sproles is 5'6" but 181lbs, so he is 4lbs lighter but same type of player. Another roadblock for him is the fact that I do not think Arians could find a use for him.
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« Reply #13 on: Feb 07, 2009 at 16:47 »

I agree that his chances are slim but I like the fact that the team is looking for a solution. I don't see Russell and Davis as locks but FWP, RM, and MM are .... Another roadblock for him is the fact that I do not think Arians could find a use for him.


Davis is definitely the least likely to hold his spot. He does play on the punt and KO coverage teams. It would surprise me to see Russell go at this point. With a decent OL he could convert a lot more short yardage situations. Gary also plays on the coverage units.

And most importantly, like you say, where does he fit in on the roster? The only chance would be to cut Davis, and dress 3 TE's with McHugh playing FB. He better light shit up if he makes it.
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« Reply #14 on: Feb 08, 2009 at 11:24 »

Meh...its nice they are thinking about upgrading the worst pair of KO returners in Davis and Russell, but I doubt "Joystick" will make the team. What RB is he going to beat out? FWP, MM, GR, and RM seem pretty entrenched. Throw in Davis and thats 5 roster spots right there. They had Bloom in camp last year, and he is a similiar player, except he tried to make the team as a WR. They didn't give Bloom a roster spot last year to only be a KR, and I don't see it happening this year. He didn't get a signing bonus, so that ought to tell you something about his chances.

A healthy Mendnhall makes Russel expendable.
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« Reply #15 on: Feb 08, 2009 at 12:39 »



A healthy Mendnhall makes Russel expendable.

I don't see how a healthy RM makes GR expendable. Espcially if Logan is the "replacement". RM has NOT proven himself one bit, either as a short yardage runner, or a RB in general. He is still a rook for all intents and purposes, and already has durability issues. MM is also not a short yardage back as we painfully saw repeatedly this year. Now maybe its the OL, but at this point I would not want to see the RB corps be FWP, MM, RM, and Logan.

Also, I think you are misunderestimating GR importance on the coverage teams this year too( 9 tackles, Baily had 16). Is RM going to cover punts and KO's?

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be sad if he got cut, but would only like to see it for a bigger, tougher back and not a 177# speed guy or a healthy #1 pick that didn't make him expendable last training camp.
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« Reply #16 on: Feb 09, 2009 at 08:14 »

GR is costing us practically nothing. Since he was undrafted, he won't get big money until he either has a break-out year (like a Barry Foster or FWP) or he's around for a while and the veteran minimum creeps up.  Until then, it would make no sense in cutting a guy who looks like he has the natural ability to contribute in a variety of areas.

It's a testament to the guy's athleticism that they LET him return kicks! Even if he is not a major threat to break one.

If a KR is to supplant anyone, I hope it's Carey Davis.

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« Reply #17 on: Feb 09, 2009 at 09:05 »

They didn't just give this guy # 26 Huh???
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