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« on: Feb 28, 2009 at 12:06 »

AKA, the Patriots West.

R2 pick (i.e, the one after ours, 2.33), plus a 2010 conditional, depending on whether he sucks or succeeds.

Schefter says Aaron Rodgers just got some new deal (6/$65?), and Matty has the same agent, so he's guessing 6/$70 for Matt.

Lot of young talent on that Chiefs team.  Despite some truly abysmal play last year, they did have some games they kept close, and even pulled some upsets.  Could be a team that verges on competence sooner than later.  But Cassell is overrated, IMO.  Without that Pats offense to rely on (um, Moss), his numbers will be much more pedestrian.  Schefter says Cassell >> Rodgers; I say it's their respective casts.
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« Reply #1 on: Feb 28, 2009 at 12:09 »

Oh man, I was afraid the Pasties got the two first rounders for a minute.
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« Reply #2 on: Feb 28, 2009 at 12:38 »

Oh man, I was afraid the Pasties got the two first rounders for a minute.

Hell, the Patsies still come out great on the deal.  Get a second rounder for whatever Cassell cost them - not much. Plus, they got maximum bang for the buck from the player.  They'll likely be able to take the BAA and sign him to a reasonable contract (not an inflated first rounder type), thus raising their overall talent base. 

I hate those bastards.
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« Reply #3 on: Feb 28, 2009 at 12:57 »

Oh man, I was afraid the Pasties got the two first rounders for a minute.

Hell, the Patsies still come out great on the deal.  Get a second rounder for whatever Cassell cost them - not much. Plus, they got maximum bang for the buck from the player.  They'll likely be able to take the BAA and sign him to a reasonable contract (not an inflated first rounder type), thus raising their overall talent base. 

I hate those bastards.


They now have a late R1 plus THREE R2 picks.

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« Reply #4 on: Feb 28, 2009 at 13:19 »

I think Cassell is overrated but I also think it's worth a shot to trade a 2nd rounder for a guy who you think could be a starter. And the conditional pick is probably in the 3rdish range. If it works out they look like geniuses I guess, although if it doesn't that's a buttload to pay a backup.


 
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« Reply #5 on: Feb 28, 2009 at 14:21 »

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I think Cassell is overrated but I also think it's worth a shot

I think he's probably >> anyone else on their roster, and as good/better than anyone else in the draft.

It just disturbs me to no end that their FO is so much better than ours.  Can you imagine what we could have done if we had made some smarter moves over the last few years?  Eh, maybe I'm too critical.

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« Reply #6 on: Feb 28, 2009 at 15:24 »

Oh man, I was afraid the Pasties got the two first rounders for a minute.

Hell, the Patsies still come out great on the deal.  Get a second rounder for whatever Cassell cost them - not much. Plus, they got maximum bang for the buck from the player.  They'll likely be able to take the BAA and sign him to a reasonable contract (not an inflated first rounder type), thus raising their overall talent base. 

I hate those bastards.


Looks like a great deal for them...

Until Golden Boy doesn't come back at full strength and takes a Carson Palmer-like extra year to get back to full strength.  I think Cassell is Scott Mitchell 2.0, but it could end up backfiring in their faces if Brady can't return to 100% right away.
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« Reply #7 on: Feb 28, 2009 at 16:19 »

I don't even think Cassell is the best QB on the Chiefs roster. Anyone notice Tyler Thigpens numbers the second half of the season. Without a running game to speak of, the kid lit it up. I'm sorta shocked they weren't content with him behind center. QB was no where near there biggest problem. How about a lack of a defense and a superstar RB who doesn't want to play for you?
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« Reply #8 on: Feb 28, 2009 at 20:56 »

It just disturbs me to no end that their FO is so much better than ours.  Can you imagine what we could have done if we had made some smarter moves over the last few years?  Eh, maybe I'm too critical.



Perhaps in the last few years we might have won 2 super bowls instead of none.

Oh wait.
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« Reply #9 on: Feb 28, 2009 at 21:16 »

It just disturbs me to no end that their FO is so much better than ours.  Can you imagine what we could have done if we had made some smarter moves over the last few years?  Eh, maybe I'm too critical.



Perhaps in the last few years we might have won 2 super bowls instead of none.

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« Reply #10 on: Mar 01, 2009 at 09:23 »

I don't even think Cassell is the best QB on the Chiefs roster. Anyone notice Tyler Thigpens numbers the second half of the season. Without a running game to speak of, the kid lit it up. I'm sorta shocked they weren't content with him behind center. QB was no where near there biggest problem. How about a lack of a defense and a superstar RB who doesn't want to play for you?

Totally saw this one comin'.  And, I think it's a great move for KC.  What, you get a good NFL QB with gametime experience for a measely second rounder?  Everyone here is focusing on how NE made out, but I think KC is the side that comes out ahead.  New leader on offense and you get to keep your R1, # 3 overall?  Plus, they add a pretty decent defensive vet in Vrabel and they'll likely take stud Curry with their R1 pick.  If Gonzo stays, they'll be the '09 version of the '08 Fins.  Watch.
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« Reply #11 on: Mar 01, 2009 at 12:10 »

I don't even think Cassell is the best QB on the Chiefs roster. Anyone notice Tyler Thigpens numbers the second half of the season. Without a running game to speak of, the kid lit it up. I'm sorta shocked they weren't content with him behind center. QB was no where near there biggest problem. How about a lack of a defense and a superstar RB who doesn't want to play for you?

Yeah I don't understand that either.  Tyler Thigpen was not the problem for the Chiefs last year.  Dude lit it up down the stretch, he was pretty much THE bright spot on that team in '08.  It's an ego thing for the Pioli/Haley regime.  Wanting to put their own stamp on the team.  I really don't know that Cassell gives them a better chance to win than Thigpen did.  Sure you could point to the fact the Chiefs didn't win much under Thigpen, but the defense and lack of running game were the reason for that, not Thigpen. 

Admittedly, I am in the camp that thinks Cassell is extremely overrated and is the product of a system and supporting cast.  We'll see how it plays out, but I don't really like the move for KC.
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« Reply #12 on: Mar 03, 2009 at 10:19 »

Put me in the camp that says the Chiefs made out. I don't think Cassell is likely to be a Pro-Bowl caliber QB, but he will be all right. And an "all right" starting QB is fine for a second pick.

It's the addition of Vrabel that makes me suspicious some bullshit is going on. I know he's old, but he's still a quality veteran to get in addition to a starting QB for a measly second rounder. 

Got to think that Pioli has copies of some of the Spygate tapes and threatened to out Belicheat, or he copied the tapes of Bill's
knob-polishing maneuvers on Beardy. 

It's clearly blackmail.
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