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« on: Mar 11, 2009 at 11:40 »

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3968896

I personally think both sides have behaved pretty poor in all this, but I kind of lean towards the perspective that Cutler should shut up and play football. 

Your thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: Mar 11, 2009 at 13:42 »

Both sides have made their mistakes but Cutler comes off worse, looking like a whiny millionaire baby.
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« Reply #2 on: Mar 11, 2009 at 13:44 »

Cutler needs to get over himself. So what if they want to trade him or not. Play the game. If they trade him, make them pay. If they don't, make them grateful they didn't.
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« Reply #3 on: Mar 11, 2009 at 15:17 »

He did a great job in leading me to the MGS FF champeenship.

Unfortunately for Cuntler, that's about the only champeenship I envision him getting.

Love the hairdo, Jay!  Who's your stylist?
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« Reply #4 on: Mar 11, 2009 at 15:25 »



Cutler, in fancy shirt (R), with some dude.



Cutler, age 13.



Jay Cutler's dad, Dick Cutler.



Cutler... the "awkward" years.
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« Reply #5 on: Mar 11, 2009 at 19:52 »

Sorry, but the phrase "whiny bitch" comes to mind when I think about Cutler.  So the team considered trading you?  Big friggin deal.  Everyone's considered at some point except for possibly the elite of the elite.  Is Cutler in that category?  Let's see:

2006 - replaces Plummer midseason.  Starts OK, but loses to San Fran to end the season - misses playoffs.

2007:  7-9 record.

2008:  Gaggs up 3 game lead by losing last 3 games, 8-8 record, no playoffs, gets coach fired.

So three years, two chokes, zero playoff games.

For that you think you deserve a lifetime contract?

Grow up, grow a pair, get to the playoffs - once.  Then maybe you can talk.  A little.
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« Reply #6 on: Mar 12, 2009 at 07:19 »

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2006 - replaces Plummer midseason.  Starts OK, but loses to San Fran to end the season - misses playoffs.

Glad you brought that up.

Cutler is suddenly having "trust" issues with his coach.  Has he forgotten how he got the starting job in the first place?  I believe the Broncos were something like 7-3 and sitting at #2 when he took over, then they missed the playoffs.  So who was betrayed in that little scenario?

As for this whole "trust" thing, that's just garbage.  Do what the coach tells you to do.  Run the play.  Throw the ball to the right place.  That's your job.  You're not hanging on the side of a cliff with this guy, you're not in a foxhole with him, he's not your doctor.  You don't even have to like him.  Just because he thought about trading you, does that suddenly mean he doesn't know how to call plays?
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« Reply #7 on: Mar 16, 2009 at 12:33 »

The player almost always comes off as the whiny bitch.

Ask yourselves this though, if Tomlin came in last year and did something similar with Ben, do you think #7  would react differently?  Would you?

I'd be pretty pissed as a fan that this noob HC came in, upset the apple cart and managed to cheese off the franchise QB.  Contrary to popular belief, they're not exactly a dime a dozen.

Plus, any opposing player that's willing to get in Phil River's face is A-OK in my book.
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« Reply #8 on: Mar 16, 2009 at 19:07 »

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The player almost always comes off as the whiny bitch.

Ask yourselves this though, if Tomlin came in last year and did something similar with Ben, do you think #7  would react differently?  Would you?

The difference is, look at Ben's resume in his first three seasons compared to Cutler's.  No comparison.  Ben's worst of the three, even with the motorcycle thing, is as good as Cutler's best.  Seasons one and two were light years ahead of Cutler's accomplishments.

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I'd be pretty pissed as a fan that this noob HC came in, upset the apple cart and managed to cheese off the franchise QB.  Contrary to popular belief, they're not exactly a dime a dozen.

Again, what has Cutler done to be called "the franchise QB?"  No playoff victories, no playoff appearances, two seasons where sure playoff berths slip away with bad losses.  He's got a big arm, great.  Where's that big time win?  How much more has he done than Kyle Boller, for example?  Especially considering his offensive weapons/gameplan are much better than Boller had to work with.

Maybe the new coach comes in with a fresh eye, sees things those in the organization don't.  Bottom line is, Cutler hasn't done enough in this league to get THAT bent out of shape over trade rumors.
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« Reply #9 on: Mar 16, 2009 at 21:58 »


The difference is, look at Ben's resume in his first three seasons compared to Cutler's.  No comparison.  Ben's worst of the three, even with the motorcycle thing, is as good as Cutler's best.  Seasons one and two were light years ahead of Cutler's accomplishments.

IMO, I don't think you look only at a QBs resume to determine whether he's a franchise guy or not.  Guys like Brees, Rivers, McNabb, Rodgers, Romo...they're franchise QBs.  Some better than others, but they're the face of the team; the guy that the organization is building around.  Along with that I think comes a level of trust that was mentioned earlier by others.  When a new coach comes in and starts throwing your name around in trade talks, I can see how a QB would get annoyed with that.

However, I will also say that McDaniel's mistake wasn't in doing that, it was how he did it.  If you're gonna deal your franchise QB, you gotta do it in one quick band-aid~like move with the utmost secrecy.  Right off.  Done.  Finished.  Shit or get off the pot.  You don't sorta put his name out there and kinda listen to offers knowing that it'll all get back to the QB.  That's just a recipe for disaster, IMO.

Again, what has Cutler done to be called "the franchise QB?"  No playoff victories, no playoff appearances, two seasons where sure playoff berths slip away with bad losses.  He's got a big arm, great.  Where's that big time win?  How much more has he done than Kyle Boller, for example?  Especially considering his offensive weapons/gameplan are much better than Boller had to work with.Quote from: msdmnr2002 on Mar 16, 2009 at 19:07
Maybe the new coach comes in with a fresh eye, sees things those in the organization don't.  Bottom line is, Cutler hasn't done enough in this league to get THAT bent out of shape over trade rumors.
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« Reply #10 on: Mar 16, 2009 at 22:33 »

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IMO, I don't think you look only at a QBs resume to determine whether he's a franchise guy or not.  Guys like Brees, Rivers, McNabb, Rodgers, Romo...they're franchise QBs.  Some better than others, but they're the face of the team; the guy that the organization is building around.

To a point, I agree.  Resume isn't everything, but it is a lot.  By that criteria, David Carr was a franchise QB in Houston. They built the team around him.  Was it his fault he was a human pinata because they never addressed the Oline?  Probably not.  But, he never really produced.  Went other places, couldn't produce.  Not a franchise QB.  Rodgers, maybe at some point will be.  Today?  No, simply because he hasn't had a chance to do much of anything yet.  Carson Palmer's not on your list.  Cincy's certainly built around him.  Based on that criteria, at least half the teams in the league have a franchise QB.  I think the list should be a little more exclusive.

I agree that the way this went down could be questioned, but I seem to remember hearing the leaks about the potential trade coming more from Cutler's camp than the Broncos. Maybe not.  Anyway, I just think Cutler needs to do more on the field before he can get this bent out of shape about theoretical trades that never happened. 
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« Reply #11 on: Mar 17, 2009 at 11:28 »

Huh???

lol, Why would either the Browns or Broncos do this???  I guess its good since we get to play them both in 09.

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John Clayton, of ESPN.com, reports the Cleveland Browns would be the team with the best chance to interest the Denver Broncos regarding a trade for QB Jay Cutler because they could offer a promising quarterback in return in either QB Brady Quinn or QB Derek Anderson.


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« Reply #12 on: Mar 17, 2009 at 11:44 »

Huh???

lol, Why would either the Browns or Broncos do this???  I guess its good since we get to play them both in 09.

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Tue, 17 Mar 2009 06:45:38 -0700

John Clayton, of ESPN.com, reports the Cleveland Browns would be the team with the best chance to interest the Denver Broncos regarding a trade for QB Jay Cutler because they could offer a promising quarterback in return in either QB Brady Quinn or QB Derek Anderson.


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McDaniels might do it, if he thinks he can do some Cassell-type magic on one of the Brownie turds.

Mangina might do it because he realizes Derek Anderson's year is past and Quinn is a post-operative transsexual. 

Still think the more likely scenario might be the Bucs.
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« Reply #13 on: Mar 17, 2009 at 13:05 »

Back in grade school, the fat diabetic was usually picked last at recess.

Just sayin'...
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« Reply #14 on: Mar 17, 2009 at 15:02 »

Back in grade school, the fat diabetic was usually picked last at recess.

Just sayin'...

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« Reply #15 on: Mar 17, 2009 at 15:12 »

Based on that criteria, at least half the teams in the league have a franchise QB.  I think the list should be a little more exclusive.

I guess it boils down to how you define a "franchise QB."

To me, it's just another way of saying, "He's our guy."  Or, "That position is locked up."  The team isn't looking to spend a R1 pick or big money on a FA QB.  What's the old expression, "if you've got two QBs, you've got none?"  Well, this is the opposite of that, I guess.

Obviously, you've got the elite of that group (i.e. Peyton, Beardy, Ben (I think I'd put him in this group now), maybe you could make an argument for one or two more...) and then you've got the rest of the franchise guys (i.e. McNabb, Eli, Brees, Rivers, Cutler, Romo, Rodgers...maybe Hasselbeck, Bulger and depending on who you talk to Cassell...then, you've got the young guys that look like they might move into this group in the next year or two, but it's too early to tell...Ryan, Flacco.

Looking at it that way, I guess you can say about half the league has one.  And, I'd be willing to bet if that any of those franchise QBs (Tier One or Two) listed were in Cutler's shoes, they'd probably react the same way.  

Rookie HC comes in, hasn't even met me yet and already he's lookin' to move me so he can trade for his guy from NE?  A guy that he's openly admitted to my face he wants??

Again, personally, I'd be fucking pissed too.  I can't necessarily say that I'd demand a trade though.  I'd go out and play my ass off to prove to this noob HC that he was wrong to doubt me.  Then, when it's time to talk contract, I'd tell 'em to go scratch and sign with a rival.
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« Reply #16 on: Mar 17, 2009 at 19:20 »

Hey, I'm not diabetic. Well, not yet.

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« Reply #17 on: Mar 17, 2009 at 23:18 »

Hey, I'm not diabetic. Well, not yet.


Are you demanding a trade?
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« Reply #18 on: Mar 18, 2009 at 09:10 »

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My agent says there are a number of other boards showing an interest.

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« Reply #19 on: Mar 18, 2009 at 10:38 »

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My agent says there are a number of other boards showing an interest.



I can assure you that Mr. otismalibu is our franchise fake jersey maker, hardwood floorer and unwatchable porn link poster.

Uh, hold on, I gotta take this call...

Hello?  ESPN Patriots board?
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« Reply #20 on: Mar 18, 2009 at 11:20 »

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My agent says there are a number of other boards showing an interest.



I can assure you that Mr. otismalibu is our franchise fake jersey maker, hardwood floorer and unwatchable porn link poster.

Uh, hold on, I gotta take this call...

Hello?  ESPN Patriots board?

Careful with the negotiations, we'll need more than a Bellychump apologist and two trolls with an insufferable sense of entitlement.
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« Reply #21 on: Mar 18, 2009 at 11:31 »

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A spokesperson for ExtremeRavens.com has vehemently denied persistent rumors that MaximumGrilledSteeler s.com poster Otis Malibu is the target of a trade involving longtime Ravens poster ESPN Comedian.  Comedian was reported to have quipped, "Well, I like the Ravens and all, but they promised me $37 and a case of home-brewed cider..."  The unnamed spokesperson rebutted that by saying: "We have no interest in Malibu.  None.  He uses Hines Ward for his avatar, so that's one strike.  We're also familiar with his body of work at MGS, and frankly we feel he'd be a message board cancer." 

Malibu could not be reached for a comment, as he was busy preparing Natasha Richardson death pool jokes by reading through his voluminous Terry Schiavo archives, but his manager, Leighclay, said that her client would be meeting with board administrators soon.  "Let's just say that if I have to show some boobs to make this deal happen, boobs will be shown."

This is the point in the Florio article where you get some feeble attempt at humor in strikethrough typeset tired of reading the rumormonger's attempts to make himself seem more important or insightful than he actually is.
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A spokesperson for ExtremeRavens.com has vehemently denied persistent rumors that MaximumGrilledSteeler s.com poster Otis Malibu is the target of a trade involving longtime Ravens poster ESPN Comedian.  Comedian was reported to have quipped, "Well, I like the Ravens and all, but they promised me $37 and a case of home-brewed cider..."  The unnamed spokesperson rebutted that by saying: "We have no interest in Malibu.  None.  He uses Hines Ward for his avatar, so that's one strike.  We're also familiar with his body of work at MGS, and frankly we feel he'd be a message board cancer." 

Malibu could not be reached for a comment, as he was busy preparing Natasha Richardson death pool jokes by reading through his voluminous Terry Schiavo archives, but his manager, Leighclay, said that her client would be meeting with board administrators soon.  "Let's just say that if I have to show some boobs to make this deal happen, boobs will be shown."

This is the point in the Florio article where you get some feeble attempt at humor in strikethrough typeset tired of reading the rumormonger's attempts to make himself seem more important or insightful than he actually is.
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« Reply #23 on: Mar 18, 2009 at 12:46 »

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Never! I occasionally customize authentic jerseys.

Ever since I typed "Looks like the work of Ray Lewis" after the Nick Berg video was posted (we're going back a few years now), I don't think I've got many supporters from the old Ravens board.

 
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« Reply #24 on: Mar 18, 2009 at 13:19 »

Never! I occasionally customize authentic jerseys.

This is the kind of he said, he said scenario I had hoped to avoid. 
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« Reply #25 on: Mar 18, 2009 at 13:24 »

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Good shit, man. Good shit.  :lol:
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« Reply #26 on: Mar 18, 2009 at 14:06 »

Hurry, Otis, hurry!  There are reports she's off life support and brain dead!

At this point, doctors are ready to pronounce her only "slightly" smarter than George W. Bush!
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« Reply #27 on: Mar 18, 2009 at 14:25 »

I'm trying to stay a little more current with my tasteless offerings.

I heard that a number of German families have recently contacted Nadya Suleman. Win/win.
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« Reply #29 on: Mar 20, 2009 at 09:43 »

Well, most of the people here ( Colorado) think its Cutler's "fault". The guy ain't done jack shit, except cry about maybe being traded. Personally I love it, because I obviously don't give a shit about the Broncos, but I'm sick of the lead local news story being about this whiny little prick.

What seems to have happened, is that other teams approached Den about Cutler. The new HC said he would only be interested in Cassel if Jay goes. He was not actively seeking to trade Cutler, but listened to some offers, and would only take Cassel in exchange. Hence the 3 team deals they entertained. Pissy boy wet his panties when he heard he could have been traded AFTER the Broncos rejected the offers, and of course Matty went to KC. Now, the trouble escalated when HC and QB got together, and HC wouldn't promise QB that he was untradable, but that he was wanted in Denver. Literally 24 hours after that meeting, Cutler's house, and his parents house, went up for sale.

WTF has this idiot ever done to be able to go Peyton on the HC? All people can say is that he has a great arm. Jeff George had a great arm too. He is not a proven winner, and the only thing proven about him is his immaturity.

I can tell you that people here are sick of Cutler's bitchyness, and feel like if he wants to leave then let him go.

Interestingly, Cutler keeps talking about how he met with Bowlen after Shanarat got canned, and that Pat promised Cutler the offense would be unchanged. Then McDaniels comes in, 86's the OC and most of the staff. This is one of Jay's main sticking points on how he feels betrayed. Bowlen claims he never met with Cutler, and never told him those things. Wonder who's right.
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« Reply #30 on: Mar 20, 2009 at 10:13 »

Jay Cutler:  Making Phirrip Livers seem less cunt-like by the day.
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« Reply #31 on: Mar 20, 2009 at 15:17 »

Well, most of the people here ( Colorado) think its Cutler's "fault". The guy ain't done jack shit, except cry about maybe being traded. Personally I love it, because I obviously don't give a shit about the Broncos, but I'm sick of the lead local news story being about this whiny little prick.

What seems to have happened, is that other teams approached Den about Cutler. The new HC said he would only be interested in Cassel if Jay goes. He was not actively seeking to trade Cutler, but listened to some offers, and would only take Cassel in exchange. Hence the 3 team deals they entertained. Pissy boy wet his panties when he heard he could have been traded AFTER the Broncos rejected the offers, and of course Matty went to KC. Now, the trouble escalated when HC and QB got together, and HC wouldn't promise QB that he was untradable, but that he was wanted in Denver. Literally 24 hours after that meeting, Cutler's house, and his parents house, went up for sale.

WTF has this idiot ever done to be able to go Peyton on the HC? All people can say is that he has a great arm. Jeff George had a great arm too. He is not a proven winner, and the only thing proven about him is his immaturity.

I can tell you that people here are sick of Cutler's bitchyness, and feel like if he wants to leave then let him go.

Interestingly, Cutler keeps talking about how he met with Bowlen after Shanarat got canned, and that Pat promised Cutler the offense would be unchanged. Then McDaniels comes in, 86's the OC and most of the staff. This is one of Jay's main sticking points on how he feels betrayed. Bowlen claims he never met with Cutler, and never told him those things. Wonder who's right.

What I really question here is McDaniels' HC abilities and intelligence.  If I'm Bowlen, I seriously consider axing this guy before he even gets a chance to get his feet wet.

Think about it...the dude had a lot of choices (presumably) as to which HC gig he wanted.  One can only assume that he picked Denver because they've got a great fanbase, "a lot of pieces to the puzzle;" etc.  One of the bigger pieces being that they've got a franchise type QB.  This ain't KC (back then) or Detroit or Oakland or even Cleveland.  You've got a legit guy under center.  You know that.  So, one of your first acts as the head honcho is to thoroughly piss off one of the main reasons why you took the gig in the first place??

"Brilliant!!" 

Just make sure to keep your resume updated, Josh.  If all else fails, I'm sure Billy will take you back as a fluffer.
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« Reply #32 on: Aug 18, 2009 at 12:14 »

Sounds like he's already making friends in Chicago...

http://espn.go.com/chicago/story?id=4405998

There are ways to communicate with your WR's.  In the media is not one of them IMO.
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« Reply #33 on: Aug 18, 2009 at 12:54 »

Sounds like he's already making friends in Chicago...

http://espn.go.com/chicago/story?id=4405998

There are ways to communicate with your WR's.  In the media is not one of them IMO.


Well, at least Cutler owns up when he opens his mouth.

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« Reply #34 on: Aug 18, 2009 at 13:02 »

Jay Cutler:  Making Phirrip Livers seem less cunt-like by the day.



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