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« Reply #1 on: Apr 02, 2009 at 10:41 »

Should this be in Politics?

Humor is a matter of taste, but I found this trite and on the moronic side, starting with the misspellings of "Goodell" and "Hussein."

There was a pretty funny piece yesterday at CNN.com from Penn of Penn & Teller.  As in, it actually made you laugh.  And it had some more credible criticisms.  But whatever, free country.

Correction: I knew I was dealing with inferior goods when the title used "loose" instead of "lose."  Gah.
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« Reply #2 on: Apr 02, 2009 at 10:58 »

C'mon, Finny.  Tell us what you really think.  Don't be a deckhand.
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« Reply #3 on: Apr 02, 2009 at 11:08 »

By way of comparison, here's Penn's commentary:

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Commentary: Is Obama skidding or crashing?

By Penn Jillette
Special to CNN
Editor's note: Penn Jillette -- the larger, louder half of Penn & Teller -- is a magician, comedian, actor, author and producer.

(CNN) -- Counterintuitive action makes a fellow feel smart. When I first got my driver's license, I took my old Ford Falcon into the Greenfield Public High School parking lot when it was freshly covered with fresh powder on top of wet slippery Western Massachusetts snow and ice. I turned fast, gunned it and lost control of the car in a skid.

I turned into the skid and instantly gained control of my car. Telling someone to turn into a skid, that's crazy talk. It seems so wrong, but my Dad knew it worked. Dad suggested I do it over and over in the parking lot, so I would conquer my intuition to be ready when a real emergency arose on a real road. Counterintuitive actions prove we can trust real knowledge and do the opposite of what we feel makes sense.

I'm a fire-eater. There is some technique to fire-eating, but most of the practice goes into learning that one's mouth is wet enough, most of the heat goes up enough, and cutting the oxygen leg off the fire triangle (it's now a fire tetrahedron, but I learned fire-eating a long time ago) with one's mouth really does put the fire out.

It took watching a professional whom I trusted do it -- a lot of trust and a lot of practice -- before my first reaction, when my mouth started to burn from the lit torch in my mouth, was to put the torch deeper in my mouth, close my mouth around the torch and put it out.

Handling fire seems like a superpower. There are whole seminars and self-help jive centered on fire-walking, which is hustled as "mind over matter," or "empowerment" but is really just counterintuitive physics. As long as the fire walk is set up right and you keep moving, you can even hope and pray to be burned, while yelling counter-self-help slogans such as "I do not have any power to do this" and "universe, please burn my little piggies," and you'll be fine.

Whether it's fire walking or knowing that the Earth is round, everyone seems to dig counterintuitive thinking. Many dig it when our president explains we're going to spend our way out of debt. That's way against all the intuition we've developed in our adult lives. Spending our way out of debt doesn't work often, does it? It's crazy talk. Didn't a lot of people try that spending out of debt thing?

I live in Vegas, and I see people by the side of the road with cardboard signs who seem like they might have tried that spending their way out of debt thing. Or maybe they tried the all too intuitive "crack will make me feel healthy again" thing. I don't know.

Didn't lots of people try piling up debt on credit cards and buying houses they couldn't afford in hopes of solving all their financial problems? I've tried spending more than I was going to earn (remember, I was carny trash, that's why I know how to eat fire), and it way didn't work. Spending more money than I had to spend put me more in debt, just like my silly intuition warned me.

President Obama is so damn smart. He just drips smart. He clearly understands stuff that we could never understand. He's trustworthy. If Obama were teaching fire-eating, we would all learn fast. If he told you that the burns would be minor and the fire would go out when you closed your mouth, you'd believe him. If I weren't twice his weight, I'd fall back with my eyes closed into his caring arms in one of those cheesy '70s church trust exercises. He could talk me into anything.

Obama tells us that we can spend our way out of debt. He tells us that even though the government had control over the banks and did nothing to stop the bad that's going on, if we give them more control over more other bank-like things, then they can make sure bad stuff doesn't happen ever again. He says we can get out of all those big wars President Bush caused by sending more troops into Afghanistan. And I don't know. I really don't know.

I trusted my Dad that turning into a skid would work. I trusted my carny mentor, Doc Swan, that closing my mouth around a burning torch would put it out. They were right. Maybe the United States borrowing more money than I could imagine in a billion years with a billion computers and a billion monkeys typing on them, will get us out of financial trouble. I really don't know. It's certainly true that many counterintuitive things are true, and when you have the guts to do something counterintuitive that works, it's really cool. It's a superpower under our yellow sun.

But there are some things that are just intuitive. Did you know, that if you're going 100 mph, directly at a very, very thick, reinforced concrete wall, and you speed up, so you're accelerating right when you hit the wall that the accident you have is going to be much worse than if you'd jammed on the brakes as soon as you saw the wall at the end of the street? Did you know that? It's exactly what everything you know and feel would tell you, and it's exactly true. Most times when you're driving, or playing with fire, or handling money, the thing that makes sense to you is also true.

I way hope we're turning into a skid and not accelerating into a concrete wall.

Note: Reading this article does not give you the information you need to really eat fire, fire walk or even turn into a skid. Do not try any of it. You really need a trained professional to teach you, and most important you need to sign something that says Penn Jillette and CNN are not in any way responsible for your inevitable injuries.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Penn Jillette.
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« Reply #4 on: Apr 02, 2009 at 11:09 »

C'mon, Finny.  Tell us what you really think.  Don't be a deckhand.

All right.

I think the original post was just twaddle.
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« Reply #5 on: Apr 02, 2009 at 18:51 »

C'mon, Finny.  Tell us what you really think.  Don't be a deckhand.

Is deckhand the new MGS slang for dick?
Or is it new MGS slang that I don't know about?

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« Reply #6 on: Apr 02, 2009 at 22:17 »

I wonder what deckhand Twaddle's intuition said about putting that live fish in his mouth?  Now we'll never know.

Yeah, you gotta wonder about spending your way outta debt.   But I do like the stimulus package; hopefully, it'll be spent on much needed infrastructure improvement.
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« Reply #7 on: Apr 03, 2009 at 08:28 »

I wonder what deckhand Twaddle's intuition said about putting that live fish in his mouth?  Now we'll never know.

Yeah, you gotta wonder about spending your way outta debt.   But I do like the stimulus package; hopefully, it'll be spent on much needed infrastructure improvement.

I feel sorry for deckhand Jeff Twaddle.  He will never know that he's become an MGS icon. 

This kind of spending goes against everything I believe should work, but then again, I don't understand -- and I don't think any politicians or even economists really understand -- the etiology and cure for this particular crash/depression.  So maybe it is steering into the skid.  Some of the infra jobs will help, especially in construction industries, but I'm less convinced it will be as comprehensive with other industries, and frankly I think a majority of the money will just be flushed down the toilet.  That said, doing nothing might well have been worse.

Was what AIG and Goldman and the rest doing so much different from what Madoff was doing?

Oh, and as for the original post, whatever.  We've had a progressive tax structure for a hundred years.  Presidents have tweaked and adjusted how much we tax the upper level of earners and how much we give back.  We can debate whether Bush was too kind to them at the expense of the middle class, or whether Obama is being too harsh.  But he's basically taking it back to the Clinton era levels, and I didn't hear any of this ridiculous socialism claptrap then.

If you want to talk about socialism, it started under Bush with TARP and the bailouts.  So it goes both ways, ya know?  I actually think Bush and his econ guys did the right thing, a bit late and a bit ham-handedly, although I had reservations then and I do now.  Seems like Obama is fine-tuning it, but the markets are stabilizing somewhat.  We need to see a turnaround, and start adding jobs again, and then we need to really cut the Fed spending to the minimum.  Obama knows that his time for mad money is a short one.
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« Reply #8 on: Apr 03, 2009 at 08:59 »

I wonder what deckhand Twaddle's intuition said about putting that live fish in his mouth?  Now we'll never know.



It told him, "Steer into the squid".
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« Reply #9 on: Apr 03, 2009 at 13:59 »

If you want to talk about socialism, it started under Bush with TARP and the bailouts.  So it goes both ways, ya know?  I actually think Bush and his econ guys did the right thing, a bit late and a bit ham-handedly, although I had reservations then and I do now.  Seems like Obama is fine-tuning it, but the markets are stabilizing somewhat.  We need to see a turnaround, and start adding jobs again, and then we need to really cut the Fed spending to the minimum.  Obama knows that his time for mad money is a short one.

You are absolutely correct Finny. TARP was absolutely a socialist policy. The Republican Party and Democratic Party both suck. The Dems are saying basically when questioned about the MASSIVe debt they are continuing to push us into, well Bush did it.....Well maybe he did. Congress had a whole lot to do with it too...But just because we spent like we could just continue printing money then, doesn't make it the right policy to continue now....It wasn't right then, it isn't right now. If we were going to be in a war (that I supported), sacrifices needed to be made to pay for it. Ot hey, a novel idea, have the Iraqi's fund it. Oh well. Water under the bridge, we need to look forward and how to move through this minefield we are in. It really is a very scary situation. The Fed is trying something that has never ever worked in the history of printed money by printing more to pull us out. Hope it works, but it doesn't look good frankly.
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