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« on: Apr 28, 2009 at 07:37 »

Don't know how legit this site is. If his knees are intact, I'll jump on it. But ten bucks says he wouldn't get past out exam. We seem to bounce players with this kind of injury.

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« Reply #1 on: Apr 28, 2009 at 09:14 »

If his med eval clears, sign him.

Runyan >>> Colon.
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« Reply #2 on: Apr 28, 2009 at 09:23 »

I'd take him even if he's gimpy.

When you look at the guys the Stillers have on their line he would instantly become their best player - he's better than Starks, KemoEATU, etc.

No way, he's not better than...uh...than...we ll, Starks makes 8 million...
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« Reply #3 on: Apr 28, 2009 at 09:44 »

Bengals are gonna cut Levi Jones.  Best years are past, and he too has had some injuries, but bring him in.  In his prime, he played well, sort of in the Marvel Smith mold.  Sign the gimps, trade Max to Buff who traded Peters and drafted no one, then draft a LT next year.  Clear some cap, get the extensions done.
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« Reply #4 on: Apr 28, 2009 at 10:20 »

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No way, he's not better than...uh...than...we ll, Starks makes 8 million...

Nice!

I'm all for singing a couple of vets like Jones and Runyan--Runyan especially, since he was still productive last year.  Get one season out of them until you can figure out a plan that doesn't involve paying 8 million to a guy who is slightly above average.

I am getting gray hair over our offensive line gaffes.  It's like watching Charlie Brown trying to put together a team.
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« Reply #5 on: Apr 28, 2009 at 11:01 »

IMHO, Runyan is a major tool and overated. And sorry guys, whether you like it or not, and you probably don't, the Steelers OL is set for next year, with the possible exception of RG.
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« Reply #6 on: Apr 28, 2009 at 11:09 »

IMHO, Runyan is a major tool and overated. And sorry guys, whether you like it or not, and you probably don't, the Steelers OL is set for next year, with the possible exception of RG.

Ben's already bracing for his requisite 45 sacks.
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« Reply #7 on: Apr 28, 2009 at 11:23 »

IMHO, Runyan is a major tool and overated. And sorry guys, whether you like it or not, and you probably don't, the Steelers OL is set for next year, with the possible exception of RG.

I respectfully disagree, man.  Overrated?  Nah.  A better example of that would be Faneca; especially in the last handful of years.  What's Runyan done in his career that would make him overrated?  Don't people have to consider you great first to be classified as such?  1 or 2 Pro Bowls in the 42 years he's been in the league doesn't suffice.  He's an above average lineman which you can't really say about anybody on the team.

He's by no means a long term answer, but what he can do is give this front 5 some much needed nastiness in the short term.  I had hoped Pittsburgh would go after either him or Tra Thomas in the offseason as a stopgap.  He's one of those players that you hate when he's on the opposition, but you love when he wears your team's jersey.  Mean; plays hard; plays hurt (don't think he's ever missed a game); and, even at his age, would be as good or better than anybody they've got.  And, coming from Reid's offense, the one thing he knows how to do is pass block.  Maybe he can teach the rest of 'em (Zierlein included) a thing or two about it.

Vet min or close to it for a year?  Minimal guarantees?  Where do I sign?
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« Reply #8 on: Apr 28, 2009 at 11:53 »

I should clarify, that I didn't mean overated with respect to his career, but more along the lines that he wouldn't improve the Steelers OL.... OK, he's better than that POS Colon, but would the line really be better if he came in? Don't know about that. It needs a geniune stud either at center, or RT and Funyans ain't no stud.

I think the Steeler OL is a pile of suck, just like everyone else. I just think the Steeler FO, and possibly MT, think otherwise as evidenced by the signings this offseason. Starks got franchised for fuck's sake, Kemo got his deal, KS was cut for Stapleton, and Hartwig and Colon are still on the roster.

Maybe I'm wrong, and I hope I am, but the OL will look VERY familiar come Sept. 10, 2009. 
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« Reply #9 on: Apr 29, 2009 at 20:17 »

I sat next to one of Runyan's old HS/college friends for the first home Ravens game last year. Seemed like a good guy. Told me some pretty great anecdotes about their HS basketball days. I always did view Runyan as a damned bully but that was his role his whole life. Can't hate on that. Make a few bowls, be famous, rake in like 20 mil. Anyone would be happy to play along to that tune.

The one point that sticks with me is how old the guy and Runyan were. Simple fact: people get old. Runyan's body can give out at anytime. Linemen of that age are sometimes great bargains. But mostly busts. They sign on for fliers year after year and very few come back once theyve gone one way.

As for Philly radio they can kiss my ass. Not that it's pertinent but Sidney Crosby is father. Bisheses.


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You all should be ashamed of yourselves talking him up. Joey Porter will "always be a Steeler" and he'll always break this guys face.

All I ever hear is whining from folks about the Steelers OLine yet they continue to win championship after championship.

Point is, I recognize the flaws, I recognize the circumstances for the abhorrent 'certain-death' sack totals, and I recognize who is available in our scheme. Our lines suck. People bitch. We win over and over. BUT STILL we hear our quarterback is going to end up an idiot or something. How many rings does our team have to win before the idiot pendulum swings towards your mirror and away from the best organization in pro sports?







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« Reply #10 on: Apr 29, 2009 at 23:40 »

I sat next to one of Runyan's old HS/college friends for the first home Ravens game last year. Seemed like a good guy. Told me some pretty great anecdotes about their HS basketball days. I always did view Runyan as a damned bully but that was his role his whole life. Can't hate on that. Make a few bowls, be famous, rake in like 20 mil. Anyone would be happy to play along to that tune.

The one point that sticks with me is how old the guy and Runyan were. Simple fact: people get old. Runyan's body can give out at anytime. Linemen of that age are sometimes great bargains. But mostly busts. They sign on for fliers year after year and very few come back once theyve gone one way.

As for Philly radio they can kiss my ass. Not that it's pertinent but Sidney Crosby is father. Bisheses.


(Levi) Jones

You all should be ashamed of yourselves talking him up. Joey Porter will "always be a Steeler" and he'll always break this guys face.

All I ever hear is whining from folks about the Steelers OLine yet they continue to win championship after championship.

Point is, I recognize the flaws, I recognize the circumstances for the abhorrent 'certain-death' sack totals, and I recognize who is available in our scheme. Our lines suck. People bitch. We win over and over. BUT STILL we hear our quarterback is going to end up an idiot or something. How many rings does our team have to win before the idiot pendulum swings towards your mirror and away from the best organization in pro sports?









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« Reply #11 on: Apr 30, 2009 at 08:57 »

i read a lot of the posts on here, but i'm hardly ever inclined to post.  but i'm glad i came across y2joyce's post because it is spot on.  consider there is something to be said for the line when only 2 of them started the year in their position.  We'll see how they gel together this year. 

the question remains how we are always so darn close to the cap, every year.  we're not overpaying anyone, yet we still can't free cap room.  i don't get it ... when the patsies and eagles (who use trickery... which works) can retain cap room year after year... we can't. 

Trust me, I understand the reasons why we aren't so active in free agency.  I also understand that you don't just toss money to 10+ yr. vets and hope it pans out (while cowher loved his sweatsuit model - Duce Staley).  But bringing in a little competition for the position is only bound to bring out the best from everyone. 
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« Reply #12 on: Apr 30, 2009 at 09:23 »

Simple fact: people get old. Runyan's body can give out at anytime.

And at that point, he'd probably still play better than Millie Colon.  I appreciate the fact that he attempts to conceal his inadequacies as a tackle by firing off the line early, or cheating back off the line, but these things draw flags that kill drives that put us in the position of hoping for a damned miracle every week.  Those miracles will be harder to come by when Ben is dead.  Well, not dead, I exaggerate.  Colon, like a baby rhino with one paralyzed leg, wheels around rather comically when being beaten on the sack, so there's that.  But I think the real entertainment will be when we see Ben finally wheeled off the field a la Tom "the Bearded Lady" Brady with a season-ending injury, rather than a series of niggling separations, cracks and creaks and bruises and fuzzies.  We'll put Batch in and he doesn't last a series.  And then we put in Dennis Dixon and pop some popcorn, cuz that's our season, in the kid's hands, with no backups, and we're forced to make some trade with Denver for Chris "Man Love" Simms.  And then Ben comes back the next season, but not as our QB, but as some spokesman for the company that makes the little cart he uses to carry around the bottom half of his rotting corpse, like one of those poor little kittens that is born without a pelvis or some shit and has to wheel around using its front paws only.  Plus Ben will have a lobster claw-type prosthetic thingey where his hand used to be, and he'll sport a nice big scar on the side of his head like Landon from the Planet of the Apes when the chimps took the scalpel to his cerebellum, and he'll have the best shiny silver drool cup money can buy.  And all because Colon and the other gashes up front have been in this wild competition to see who can allow the most sacks, winner gets a $50 Applebees gift card.

Point?  Bring in Runyan, kick the tires, sign him for ~ the vet min, how the fuck could he possibly be worse?  Maybe they move Colon insi... oh, who the fuck am I kidding with that, but at least they signed Kraig "the Urbinator" Urbik to battle it out with Jean Stapleton.

 
Point is, I recognize the flaws, I recognize the circumstances for the abhorrent 'certain-death' sack totals, and I recognize who is available in our scheme. Our lines suck. People bitch. We win over and over. BUT STILL we hear our quarterback is going to end up an idiot or something. How many rings does our team have to win before the idiot pendulum swings towards your mirror and away from the best organization in pro sports?

Dunno 'bout the pendulum, too stupid to really understand the metaphor, but me -- and call me crazy -- I'd like to win another couple of rings while Benny is still playing. And maybe even win game after game without miracle heroics, but rather through sheer flat-out fucking domination, like when we get to the goal line, lose four yards on a rushing play and settle for a field goal?  We could actually, ya know, like punch it in.  Maybe let Ben and the boys have a little fun and score points, lots of them, instead of being treated to the constant 3-and-outs, Ben and Arians consultations, then hoping and praying that our defense has another miracle left, the usual little song and dance.  

I mean, it's great and all that Ben had all the miracle comebacks, the defense had all the miracle stops and turnarounds, but that's a hell of a thing to depend on.  Maybe you put yourself in that situation less often, you win more rings?  Maybe not, I hear a pendulum swinging.  

You know, you're right, fuck the line, trust in miracles.  I saw this program once, some lady couldn't walk or shit but the Lord healed her, it was a miracle, and I would up sending $100 to Benny Hinn, that shit really works.  I'm so happy now.  Gabba gabba!   You don't build championship teams starting with the lines, that's all a myth.  All you need is a rabbit's foot, a horseshoe, a four-leafed clover, and five guys up front who can't stop a pass-rush any better than dead Bea fucking Arthur and the rest of the Golden Girls, with Granny from the Beverly Hillbillies thrown in, presumably long dead as well, and the redolent corpus of Princess Diana herself thrown in for the five-spot.  This is all wonderful.

Much better than kicking tires of FA linemen and signing them for small money in the hope and prayer of even a slight, tiny, miniscule improvement over the reeking desuetude we're stuck with -- errrr, blessed with, now.  I'm sending another $100 to Benny Hinn, and hoping I get a fancy prayer hat like last time, even though it was just a cheap-ass piece of material that was probably a Sham-Wow reject.  I can't even tell you how happy I am that this lovely, lovely line is just so... lovely, by which, of course, I mean "lovely," and not some other word in place of "lovely," or some ironic hissing spittle-strewn version of "lovely."  









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« Reply #13 on: Apr 30, 2009 at 09:23 »

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the Steelers OL is set for next year, with the possible exception of RG.

Maybe you are right, but I'm still holding on to hope that we try to make some changes.


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All I ever hear is whining from folks about the Steelers OLine yet they continue to win championship after championship.

Point is, I recognize the flaws, I recognize the circumstances for the abhorrent 'certain-death' sack totals, and I recognize who is available in our scheme. Our lines suck. People bitch. We win over and over. BUT STILL we hear our quarterback is going to end up an idiot or something. How many rings does our team have to win before the idiot pendulum swings towards your mirror and away from the best organization in pro sports?

Okay, I'll hear that point and raise you one (maybe, not sure I'm that smart).

I will admit that I have become the most spoiled Stiller fan on the planet, and this season has done nothing to help with my affliction.  I also have an "illness" of being overly critical of offensive line play.  It was my position in college, and I coached for six years, so I tend to over-analyze.  Your point is well-taken:  We've got two titles in four years, how bad could it be?

While the overall results are great, the devil in the details says that the oline is an ongoing problem that has not been seriously addressed by the team or the FO in many years.  We've read the posts about the lack of priority for oline in the draft over the last ten years.  We've seen/heard the sack numbers, the decline in rush yards, etc.  Hell, we've watched the games and seen guys getting jacked up, knocked back, or blown by.  

We could point to tons of reasons for the problems, from talent to scheme to playcalling, but the bottom line is that oline appears to be one of the weaker areas on the team.  No matter how much you win or how good you are, you still have to look at your weakest links and try to address them.  When you stop doing that, it won't take long for that pendulum to swing.  I still believe oline is our weakest link, and we are doing very little to address it.

As for Big Ben, the concern is the same as the one you express over Runyan.  We've won because of him and, at times, in spite of the protection for him.  But if he continues to get hit, who knows when the next big concussion or the Brady-esque knee blowout is going to come?  Continuing to take punishment, as you point out, eventually grinds you down.  And it is a fact that after one concussion, your susceptibility to them gradually increases.  How many has Ben had now, three?  At least?  Who knows when the next big hit by an unblocked LB is going to put him in a wheelchair next to a window saying, "MY NAME IS BOB!"?

In some ways, I think the oline has taken on the personality of the team's fearless leader:  When the game is on the line, they step up and deliver.  No one can deny that they stepped up in XLIII on that last drive.  But it's time to start considering that the Franchise doesn't need to take 150 hits a year, and that we might want an oline who can get it done from start to finish in all phases of the game.  Sorry to be a whiner...just my opinion.
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« Reply #14 on: Apr 30, 2009 at 09:35 »

i read a lot of the posts on here, but i'm hardly ever inclined to post.  but i'm glad i came across y2joyce's post because it is spot on.  consider there is something to be said for the line when only 2 of them started the year in their position.  We'll see how they gel together this year. 

I agree, I was just sassing him for no reason.  In actuality, I find games so much more enjoyable when opposing defensive lines attack the edge with Starks, draw Hartwig away the other side, and then a rusher times his move past Kemo, who stands there looking back and forth with apparently no comprehension that his job is to stop the guy.  That's effin' priceless shit right there.  Hartwig is a huge upgrade to Mahan, so we're cool there, what, 6, 7 sacks allowed, ain't no thang.  Stapleton likewise a huge upgrade over Kendall Simmons, except when he wasn't.  And good gravy, that Millie Colon certainly does a swell job.  They're all swell.  Other teams need, what, like a few months to gel, but give us a few years and we'll really and truly and finally see whether these guys can get their shit together.  Because the past three seasons, it's been a fucking fabulous montage of flashbacks to the Texans so-called line protecting David so-called Carr a few years back.  That shit will never backfire.  Never.  'S'great.  'S'fabulous.  'S'ssssserific.

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the question remains how we are always so darn close to the cap, every year.  we're not overpaying anyone, yet we still can't free cap room.  i don't get it ... when the patsies and eagles (who use trickery... which works) can retain cap room year after year... we can't. 

Well, it couldn't be something as obvious as sinking $16 million into tagging Max Starks the past two years rather than either inking a long-termer or cutting his ass loose.  Cuz we never do stupid deals.  Just ask Jason Gildon.  Or Kendall Simmons. 

We wouldn't have to have this ridiculous discussion of FA OL if the braintrust would actually, oh, I don't know... DRAFT A FUCKING OFFENSIVE LINEMAN more than once a decade.  Of course, Keith Urban is enough to right this ship.  That was really all we needed, thanks for that.  Like going to the ER with a gunshot to the gut, and getting an aspirin.  Whoooooo boy, I feel all better now.

I don't care.  It's only Roethlisberger, for that kind of money he should be obligated to get the shit beat out of him on a weekly basis.  It's his job, and I don't want to hear any complaining.  No whining, as our esteemed Governor says. 
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« Reply #15 on: Apr 30, 2009 at 09:43 »

I have to take issue with the ideas that we have won 2 SB in the last 4 years with OL problems.  The line that won the 2006 (2005 season) Super Bowl is nothing like the 2008 line.  The 2005 OL had 3 guys performing at a legitimate pro-bowl level with Hartings, Faneca, and Marvel Smith.  Starks and Simmons were performing at a reasonable level as well.  The 2008 team had absolutely nobody performing anywhere close to a pro-bowl level - instead fans were generally happy if they weren't wretched.  The 2005 team averaged 4 yards per rush and generally didn't have any problems whatsoever converting 3rd/4th and shorts.  The 2008 team averaged 3.3 yards per rush and had great difficulty in short yardage situations.

People complain about the OL because it is a constantly worsening problem.  I understand that in a salary cap league you can't be good everywhere, and have depth.  That is the nature of the business.  I also agree that the Steelers are likely the best run team in sports.  But the continued neglect of the OL will indeed shorten Ben's career - and while we have indeed already won 2 SBs with him at the helm, I say in all seriousness that I don't see how Roethlisberger will survive his current contract behind this line.  We won last year despite the OL.  We won in 2005 in substantial part because of the line.  I personally find last year's win with that OL more miraculous that the 2005 Roethlisberger season saving tackle against the Colts.
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« Reply #16 on: Apr 30, 2009 at 10:11 »

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« Reply #17 on: Apr 30, 2009 at 10:19 »

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consider there is something to be said for the line when only 2 of them started the year in their position.  

If it takes them more than three practices to figure out those overly-elaborate, creative, LeBeau-on-the-offensive-side-of-the-ball schemes that Arians has...then I weep for the future.

Yeah, I hear ya...MAYBE they get better.  MAYBE they "gel" next season.  MAYBE another year of experience helps.  Well, I'm tired of "maybes" from the guys that are responsible for protecting our major investments in the frachise.  

Here's the straight-up deal:

Colon has been at RT for two years.  He ain't suddenly gonna grow three inches and develop an 81-inch reach.  Stapleton is a serviceable backup, and he still beat out the all-world Simmons.  Hartwig?  11 sacks this year and a safety in the EZ in the last five minutes of the SB.  And oh, by the way, didn't that negate a spectacular 3rd down conversion by the Franchise?  

Starks could not--COULD NOT--start for us last season.  He is playing because Smith got hurt.  Are we that bad at evaluating talent?  Or is he just not that good?  Meh...who cares?  Throw another 8 mil at him.

But don't worry about it...Ben will get us out of it!  He's BIG Ben!  He'll take a lickin' and keep on...oh, wait, here comes the ambulance.  Who is that on the field having his facemask unbolted, getting his head duct-taped to a piece of plywood?  Uh-oh...

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« Reply #18 on: Apr 30, 2009 at 10:36 »

You know that old saw about there being a fine line between winning and losing?

We had, what, 4 come from behind wins last year?  12-4 gets you to the playoffs.  8-8 doesn't.

"They're young and they'll only improve" is just another way of saying "good Good, they cannot possibly get any worse."

The Ravens won a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer as QB.
The Colts won a Super Bowl without any apparent run defense.
The Cowboys won a Super Bowl with Barry Switzer coaching.
The Steelers won with this sorry-assed bunch of offensive linemen.

Just sayin', it ain't something to count on.  My buddy Lanny drives an '84 Buick Skyhawk with three tires and a doughnut, an alternator that works sporadically, an engine that burns oil, and has its exhaust pipe held in place with a piece of hanger wire.  Gets him to work at the 7-11.  Can't say how long that will last, though.  Plus, Lanny's fuming himself to death with the carbon monoxide from his leaky muffler, but it's cool cuz he's a stoner anyway and no one can tell the difference when he's got the glazed look from the chronic or the CO.  Lanny's proud of that ride, and don't never criticize it to his face.
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« Reply #19 on: Apr 30, 2009 at 11:03 »

So, are you saying Lanny should ride a bicycle to work, like BV?  And then when he gets into shape, tryout for the Steelers OL?

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« Reply #20 on: Apr 30, 2009 at 11:48 »

I have to agree with jcharding about the difference between the '05 OL and the '08 version. Completely different squards playing at completely different levels. Throw in the Bus, and his ability to ALWAYS gain 3 yards, and it's a different offense. The Steelers have won 1 SB with a shitty OL. They won last year because Ben is bona fide stud, there is talent and heart at WR, Ben is muthafucking clutch, and they had the best defense the league had seen in a long time.

Let's try to remember that there are several factors contributing to the sack and YPC numbers. Even though he is fucking awesome, Ben does hold onto the ball rather long at times, exposing himself to sacks. He also hasn't perfected the art of the throwing the ball away in hopeless situations, although he is getting better at this. The playcalling exposes Ben to sacks as well. Who the fuck knows what BA is thinking, or seeing, most of the time. Combine these things with poor OL play, and you get a lot of sacks.

As far as YPC, when can we make the correlation between FB, and no FB, and YPC? How many times do we have to read FWP say he prefers to run behind a FB? The team switched from a bruising experienced FB, to Carey Davis or no one, and people wonder why production is down.

When is the Z-man's coaching ability going to be questioned? How does this guy still have a job? Why does he (and MT) insist on playing a RG at RT?

The FO has really put themselves in a bad position here because the Tony Hill's of the world aren't beating the odds, the team can't spend big money on studs, and they haven't drafted one. We got another year with this crew, and hopefully everyone, from the OL, BA, and to some extent BR, improves.
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« Reply #21 on: Apr 30, 2009 at 16:37 »

You know that old saw about there being a fine line between winning and losing?

We had, what, 4 come from behind wins last year?  12-4 gets you to the playoffs.  8-8 doesn't.

6, actually.  Baltimore, Jacksonville, Sandy Eggo, Dallas, Balty (again.  Witnessed first hand) and XLIII.

But, who's counting.
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« Reply #22 on: Apr 30, 2009 at 18:49 »

You know that old saw about there being a fine line between winning and losing?

We had, what, 4 come from behind wins last year?  12-4 gets you to the playoffs.  8-8 doesn't.

6, actually.  Baltimore, Jacksonville, Sandy Eggo, Dallas, Balty (again.  Witnessed first hand) and XLIII.

But, who's counting.

I stand corrected.  Irony of ironies to win it all with 6 come from behinds versus the hardest sched, but miss it because we eff up those types of games this year with the easier sched.  Hope it doesn't come to that.
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« Reply #23 on: Apr 30, 2009 at 20:55 »

2006 comes to mind.  Should have been 12-4 (or better) with that team and schedule.
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« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2009 at 19:19 »

to retort:  don't misconstrue my comments about the current o-line as an endorsement of their underachievement.  I agree that they leave much to be desired, as well as agree on the front office's lacking investments in quality protection for Ben.  Both good points, and both are dead horses.

What we have yet to see is what will occur this year.  In fact, we still haven't finalized the roster yet.  Conceding the fact that Starks, Kemo, Harting, Colon will start; Stapleton will likely beat out Urbik, at least until the bye week.  This leaves opportunity for guys like Shipley (whose alligator arms will obviously fail him in this league.. but there are some PSU homers here who think he's the shit), Tony Hills, etc.  And all of them suck.   angry4

Part of the strategy of the game is to determine ways to conceal (as best you can) your weakest points.  I know it's rather hard when you know you can't get an accurate definition of a "stunt" from anyone on our front line (they call it the "criss-crossy thing" and think it's much more fun to block air than people).  However, knowing this going into this season will give us ample time to really see how badly we're gonna suck, then how we can trick the opposition to overpursue.  It will take a concerted effort from Ben to get rid of the ball on-time (and he's just so fantastic at making up his mind so fast when he sees the first guy covered... not). 

We know that we're going to have some problems this year.  But the horse is still dead, and we have to walk through this 2009 schedule now.  It is what it is, and you're not gonna stop being a Steeler fan over it. 
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to retort:  don't misconstrue my comments about the current o-line as an endorsement of their underachievement.  I agree that they leave much to be desired, as well as agree on the front office's lacking investments in quality protection for Ben.  Both good points, and both are dead horses.

Don't think it was construed as such; simply unwilling to rationalize the upside that I don't think exists.  Dead horses, granted.

What we have yet to see is what will occur this year.  In fact, we still haven't finalized the roster yet. 

True, but given the FA and draft moves, the options appear, at best, limited.

Conceding the fact that Starks, Kemo, Harting, Colon will start; Stapleton will likely beat out Urbik, at least until the bye week.

Well, maybe.  Urbik could be a gamer, win it outright early.  The real deal ain't who starts this year, but the 2 year window plus.  That's scary, kids, esp. given Max's likeliness of not being a Stiller next, dreadful OT depth, etc.  So many questions, so little time.

This leaves opportunity for guys like Shipley (whose alligator arms will obviously fail him in this league.. but there are some PSU homers here who think he's the shit), Tony Hills, etc.  And all of them suck.   angry4

Actually, I think Q has a 50/50 chance here.  He's either gonna be the ultimate underdog, or measurables will be his undoing.  I'm actually somewhat optimistic: secretly, I had him as my third favorite C behind Wood and Mack, with Unger a guy I wasn't sold on, Luigs not a fit, and Caldwell better than JAG but substantially less than  a Hartings, much less a Dirt or Webby.  He fucking ruled Moala and Maualuga in the nasty bowl loss, but how he matches against the AFCN's Ngata and Rodgers remains to be seen.  In any event, I think he'll be a very, very pleasant surprise.  A scrappy guy, smart (40 Wonderlic), strong (by Indy lifts), and Rimington winner.  His weight's not so far off the top guys', and the only knock then is arm length and height.  Bah.  Q is gonna be the man, mark it.  Not this year, but next. 

Part of the strategy of the game is to determine ways to conceal (as best you can) your weakest points. 

Great teams don't conceal.  They dominate.


I know it's rather hard when you know you can't get an accurate definition of a "stunt" from anyone on our front line (they call it the "criss-crossy thing" and think it's much more fun to block air than people).  However, knowing this going into this season will give us ample time to really see how badly we're gonna suck, then how we can trick the opposition to overpursue.  It will take a concerted effort from Ben to get rid of the ball on-time (and he's just so fantastic at making up his mind so fast when he sees the first guy covered... not). 

Cf., Woody Allen, rationalization > sex. 

We know that we're going to have some problems this year.  But the horse is still dead, and we have to walk through this 2009 schedule now.  It is what it is, and you're not gonna stop being a Steeler fan over it. 

No, actually we're all quitting en masse.  That's what we're getting at.  If any part of the whole, a la the secondary ca. early 2000s, or QB ca. post-Bradshaw to pre-Ben, or OL from 2004-onward, etc. ain't to spec, we're walking.  Rilly.  We mean it.  Rilly rilly mean it.

Part of the fun is questioning the modus, whether we could in actuality keep all the juggled balls aloft better than the FO types or not.  To the point: being great is great, but there's always better.  Two Lombardis in the Oughts, but I'm jonesing for a few more whilst Ben still has legs for legs, and not a crudely affixed wheel for one prosthetic foot, and a sad clown puppet for the other.  Wheeling along, squeaking, clown nose honking with each sad scraping drag of the leg.  Poor Ben.  Damned, doomed.  Just get us more bling, son.  Whatever the cost.
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« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2009 at 20:48 »

Wait, what team am I suppossed to be rooting for? 

Or not rooting for?

Will the real SCac please e-stand up?
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« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2009 at 08:22 »

i read a lot of the posts on here, but i'm hardly ever inclined to post.  but i'm glad i came across y2joyce's post because it is spot on.  consider there is something to be said for the line when only 2 of them started the year in their position.  We'll see how they gel together this year. 


I agree, I was just sassing him for no reason.  In actuality, I find games so much more enjoyable when opposing defensive lines attack the edge with Starks, draw Hartwig away the other side, and then a rusher times his move past Kemo, who stands there looking back and forth with apparently no comprehension that his job is to stop the guy.  That's effin' priceless shit right there.  Hartwig is a huge upgrade to Mahan, so we're cool there, what, 6, 7 sacks allowed, ain't no thang.  Stapleton likewise a huge upgrade over Kendall Simmons, except when he wasn't.  And good gravy, that Millie Colon certainly does a swell job.  They're all swell.  Other teams need, what, like a few months to gel, but give us a few years and we'll really and truly and finally see whether these guys can get their shit together.  Because the past three seasons, it's been a fucking fabulous montage of flashbacks to the Texans so-called line protecting David so-called Carr a few years back.  That shit will never backfire.  Never.  'S'great.  'S'fabulous.  'S'ssssserific.

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the question remains how we are always so darn close to the cap, every year.  we're not overpaying anyone, yet we still can't free cap room.  i don't get it ... when the patsies and eagles (who use trickery... which works) can retain cap room year after year... we can't. 


Well, it couldn't be something as obvious as sinking $16 million into tagging Max Starks the past two years rather than either inking a long-termer or cutting his ass loose.  Cuz we never do stupid deals.  Just ask Jason Gildon.  Or Kendall Simmons. 

We wouldn't have to have this ridiculous discussion of FA OL if the braintrust would actually, oh, I don't know... DRAFT A FUCKING OFFENSIVE LINEMAN more than once a decade.  Of course, Keith Urban is enough to right this ship.  That was really all we needed, thanks for that.  Like going to the ER with a gunshot to the gut, and getting an aspirin.  Whoooooo boy, I feel all better now.

I don't care.  It's only Roethlisberger, for that kind of money he should be obligated to get the shit beat out of him on a weekly basis.  It's his job, and I don't want to hear any complaining.  No whining, as our esteemed Governor says. 


I can't be sure, but methinks you might be a bit sarcastic here. If I didn't have evidence right here that the Steelers have in fact drafted 2 offensive linemen in the first two rounds this decade, I'd be convinced:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=3900&type=team
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« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2009 at 10:21 »

If I didn't have evidence right here that the Steelers have in fact drafted 2 offensive linemen in the first two rounds this decade, I'd be convinced:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=3900&type=team


Setting the criterion for premium picks as the first two rounds, you are correct that we drafted two premium OL in this past decade.  Marvel Smith, 2.38, 2000; and Kendall Simmons, 1.30. 2002.  Neither is on the team, but as for actually investing top picks, OK, fine.  Some time ago I broke this down, with the first three rounds examined.  Winners: LB, WR.  Losers: OL, DL.  But that was when fewer teams ran the 3-4 and the DL could be had on the relative cheap.

I think I may have even loaded all the picks by trade value into a SS and showed, points-wise, the shaft the lines have been given.  Rather amazing how much we've put into drafting WRs, but then some of that was overcompensation for not (then) having a franchise QB.  Larger point being, one round one OL per decade is the tip of the iceberg, two in the top two rounds being much the same indicator of neglect.  Hard to argue our successes, but surely someone better was there when we took Colclough and Zo.  Waiting for Bo Lacy and Orien Harris-types to bolster the lines in value rounds has been a stunning success. 

And I think Joel Bell or Gerald Cadogan would have been much better than Sonny Harris or whatsisname the TE late in the draft. 
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« Reply #29 on: May 04, 2009 at 13:55 »

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And I think Joel Bell or Gerald Cadogan would have been much better than Sonny Harris or whatsisname the TE late in the draft. 

You'll get no argument from me.  Aside from the insanity of bringing in our obligatory annual TE in the draft--and one who surely would have been available as a FA--we missed numerous chances at linemen who might have helped us throughout R4-UFA.
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