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« on: Apr 28, 2009 at 10:44 »

Check the source, FWIW.

Quote from: Pro Football Talk
Steelers Cutting Larry Foote
Posted by Mike Florio on April 28, 2009, 11:22 a.m.
A league source tells us that the Steelers will be cutting linebacker Larry Foote.

More details to come after radio spot with Paul Allen of KFAN in Minnesota.

Third paragraph.

Nice third paragraph.

Had supposed this would be his final year, but not that he would be cut.  Fairly high cap hit, but still and all a solid guy.  No trade value?  Huh?  What about Denver, for instance?  Going to the 3-4 but apparently without the personnel to do so.

WE'll see.
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« Reply #1 on: Apr 28, 2009 at 10:55 »

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« Reply #2 on: Apr 28, 2009 at 10:56 »

Makes absolutely no sense to cut Foote, even if LT will be the starter. I can see him not being resinged, but he is needed for depth this season.  Someone would trade for a starting LB on the #1 defense as well. Will be surprised if it happens.
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« Reply #3 on: Apr 28, 2009 at 11:03 »

I agree it makes no sense.  No confirmation from real media sources.
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« Reply #4 on: Apr 28, 2009 at 11:30 »

It would've made all the sense in the world...if they would've taken Maualuga @ 1.32.
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« Reply #5 on: Apr 28, 2009 at 12:14 »

Do they need the xtra cash for their rookie pool?
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« Reply #6 on: Apr 28, 2009 at 12:15 »

Do they need the xtra cash for their rookie pool?

Or maybe free up some room to extend Dallas Baker?Huh?Huh??
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« Reply #7 on: Apr 28, 2009 at 12:22 »

Do they need the xtra cash for their rookie pool?

Or maybe free up some room to extend Dallas Baker?Huh?Huh??

I think they want to give a little more money to Max Starks. 

Not as part of any long-term deal or anything, they just like paying Max.  Start, don't start.  Stick around, don't stick around.  Our purpose to to make your wallet fat, my man.
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« Reply #8 on: Apr 28, 2009 at 12:43 »

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4107676&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines

Reported by Len Pastabelly.
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« Reply #9 on: Apr 28, 2009 at 12:58 »

Pittsburgh is typically tight against the spending limit and can sorely use the funds provided by Foote's release. Last week the Steelers had to release tailback Gary Russell in order to have enough cap room to sign backup quarterback Charlie Batch.

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Cards need help at LB?
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« Reply #10 on: Apr 28, 2009 at 13:20 »

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Steelers to release linebacker Larry Foote
Tuesday, April 28, 2009
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
The Steelers plan to release starting linebacker Larry Foote, the Post-Gazette confirmed today.

ProFootballtalk.com, citing a league source, broke the story late this morning and sources confirmed it for the Post-Gazette.

In a mysterious twist, however, the release is not planned over the next several days and Foote will be kept on the roster for this weekend's required minicamp, sources said.

Foote has one year left on his contract that was scheduled to pay him a salary of $2,885,000 in 2009. There was much speculation leading up to the Super Bowl that the Steelers might release him because of that salary and because 2007 first-round draft choice Lawrence Timmons is behind him.

However, coach Mike Tomlin said shortly after the season that he wanted to keep Foote around and had no plans to release him.

Foote, a fourth-round draft pick from Michigan in 2002, has been a starter at inside linebacker since 2004. He said during the Super Bowl week that he would not take a salary cut in 2009 to remain with the Steelers, and there were reports he wanted to play for his hometown Detroit Lions if he were released.

Foote did not attend the team's first two voluntary workouts last week. His agent, Ken Kremer, said at the time he was working out in Detroit and planned to attend this weekend's minicamps. Kremer also said there had been no contract discussions between him and the Steelers.

Ed Bouchette can be reached at ebouchette@post-gazette.com.
First published on April 28, 2009 at 2:03 pm

OK, that's weird.  Any possibility this signifies the FO is still trying to work a trade?
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« Reply #11 on: Apr 28, 2009 at 13:49 »

That must be it, finman.  Why else the secrecy?  Wonder if the Lions signed any LBs?
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« Reply #12 on: Apr 28, 2009 at 14:43 »

Wikipedia has become lightning fast on this shit. 

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Lawrence "Larry" Edward Foote, Jr. (born June 12, 1980 in Detroit, Michigan) is an American football linebacker free agent of the NFL. He attended college at the University of Michigan and was a fourth round draft pick in the 2002 NFL Draft. Larry graduated from Pershing High School.

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On April 28, 2009, Foote was cut by the Steelers, ending a 7-year career with the Steelers that included two Super Bowl championships.
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« Reply #13 on: Apr 28, 2009 at 14:54 »

Man, too bad.  I always liked Foote's play, he was never the strongest or fastest but he knew how to tackle and worked hard.

My defining memory:  the tackle to preserve the shutout versus the Brownies in '07 on the last day of the season.  I think it was him, IIRC; if not, did I ever tell you guys I got mugged?
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« Reply #14 on: Apr 28, 2009 at 14:59 »

Man, too bad.  I always liked Foote's play, he was never the strongest or fastest but he knew how to tackle and worked hard.

My defining memory:  the tackle to preserve the shutout versus the Brownies in '07 on the last day of the season.  I think it was him, IIRC; if not, did I ever tell you guys I got mugged?

Yes, that was him. 

No! You were mugged?!?

Agreed.  A solid and steady guy, sorta sad to see it come down to, seemingly, cold hard cash.
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« Reply #15 on: Apr 28, 2009 at 15:12 »

Agreed.  A solid and steady guy, sorta sad to see it come down to, seemingly, cold hard cash.

Try to think of it as cap space.  A bit of abstraction often makes it easier.

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« Reply #16 on: Apr 28, 2009 at 15:16 »

I'm not so sure it solely comes down to a cash issue....

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« Reply #17 on: Apr 28, 2009 at 17:07 »

WTF?  I can't see how they couldn't have at least squeezed a Day 2 pick out of somebody over the weekend, rather than outright cutting the guy.

Do they have a UDFA they really like who can make the team and add depth at the position or something?  Very puzzling indeed.

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« Reply #18 on: Apr 28, 2009 at 17:42 »

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WTF?  I can't see how they couldn't have at least squeezed a Day 2 pick out of somebody over the weekend, rather than outright cutting the guy.


I agree.  With all the wheeling and dealing that goes on, I can't figure not one of the other 31 teams would think "we can have a 5 year starter for a two time SB winner that's under 30, or we can take our chances with our 5th rounder that has less than a 50/50 chance of making the roster.  Let's take the deal."  Heck, even a next year's fourth would have made sense.

Maybe it was Detroit or nothing, and they couldn't work a deal.
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« Reply #19 on: Apr 28, 2009 at 18:09 »

It probably had to do with the salary hit of $2.8M which they'd have to honor in a trade.  Now watch the Patsies sign the guy.

With all those teams now implementing the 3-4 you'd think at least one would need an experienced inside LB. 
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« Reply #20 on: Apr 28, 2009 at 19:45 »

Now watch the Patsies sign the guy.

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« Reply #21 on: Apr 28, 2009 at 20:45 »

Ok am I the onlyone upset about this?  Foote was solid and still young.  I know we have Timmons, but who is behind him?

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« Reply #22 on: Apr 28, 2009 at 21:13 »

Ok am I the onlyone upset about this?  Foote was solid and still young.  I know we have Timmons, but who is behind him?

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Foote was solid and was a much better run stopper IMO. Timmons is a freak on the pass rush and in coverage, but lacks in stopping the run. Is Timmons ready to an every down guy? I liked the rotation they had with these guys last year.

I guess they can't fit them all under the cap, but this just seems...wierd.
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« Reply #23 on: Apr 28, 2009 at 21:38 »

url=http://news.steelers.com/article/105143/]http://news.steelers.com/article/105143/

http://news.steelers.com/article/105143/[/url]

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« Reply #24 on: Apr 29, 2009 at 01:02 »

Seems like the cut will happen....

http://www.postgazette.com/pg/09119/966196-66.stm

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The Steelers were going to release him yesterday, then decided to wait as they pursue last-ditch efforts to trade him.

"It was my doing," Foote told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. "I wanted to go. They were trying to trade me."



Fox, Frazier, and Davis are the backups now, I presume
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« Reply #25 on: Apr 29, 2009 at 08:48 »

Not liking this at all.  We've gone from having a solid depth and rotation to being very thin at LB, especially inside.  This is an awfully big gamble with Timmons at this point in his career, although he's stepped up much better than expected.  Here's hoping that he can learn to do it against the run.

I think that Larry may be shooting himself in the...um...foot, so to speak.  I understand the drive to play, but no one can deny that our pass D improved with Timmons coming in last year.  He got a pretty lucrative deal for a guy that could be viewed as an overachiever, and I tend to think that he has peaked and will not be any better than he is.  He'll help someone, but he's not going to suddenly become an all-pro.

I actually was hoping that he could jump in for Potsie some over the next couple of years until we found a permanent replacement for him.  Farrior's eventually going to retire...isn't he?

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« Reply #26 on: Apr 29, 2009 at 09:02 »

Some reports that Indy may be interested.  Hard to see us getting more than a R6 here, though, which IMO is nowhere near his value.  BUT, if they are moving Timmons into the starting role, Foote's a biggish cap hit and an unhappy role player.  Best interest of both, I suppose.

I was surprised we didn't take a developmental ILB late in the draft, some very good ones fell late.  Frantz Joseph was UDFA, same with Antonio Appleby.  Dannell Ellerbe out of UGA is still unsigned but is a big character risk.  He could be a real steal if he can stay clean.  Otherwise, Key Fox can back up just fine (was a R3 IIRC), and we might have one of the guys on the roster as OLB depth swing over (Woods?  A. Harrison?  Bailey?).  We really do need a good developmental guy there sooner or later, though. 
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« Reply #27 on: Apr 29, 2009 at 09:20 »

Could Bruce Davis possibly fill that role?
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« Reply #28 on: Apr 29, 2009 at 09:39 »

Will a player who is cut and then signs elsewhere result in a compensatory pick?  Seems like those are only for FA losses.

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« Reply #29 on: Apr 29, 2009 at 10:13 »

Will a player who is cut and then signs elsewhere result in a compensatory pick?  Seems like those are only for FA losses.


Right.  No pick, as their was none for Peazy.

Best hope is some miniscule trade value.
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« Reply #30 on: Apr 29, 2009 at 10:24 »

Could Bruce Davis possibly fill that role?

Never thought of that.

That's thinking outside the box, Brink. 

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Compares To: TEDY BRUSCHI-New England...Bruschi terrorized Pac-10 quarterbacks as a right defensive end at Arizona and had just marginal success when he first shifted to linebacker and played on the outside earlier in his NFL career. Bruce Davis, a player with the same kind of motor and style of play, could develop in the right system. He'll need a patient coach and a spot at strong-side inside linebacker in a 3-4 alignment, where his lack of long pursuit speed can be covered up. He might make a decent OLB at the next level, but for the way he plays inside the box, he will have better success following Bruschi's path in the pro ranks.

SSILB = Buck, which Farrior plays, whereas Foote and Timmons play WSILB = Mack, but it remains a possibility that Davis could be a two-position swing man (OLB/ILB).  Davis is listed at 6'2" 252 #, which probably is last year's weight, whereas Foote and Farrior run a couple inches shorter and around 240#.  Jimmie Harrison is listed at 6'0" 242#, although they're fudging that height.  So size-wise, Davis is about right at OLB (Wood is 265#), and a bit thick at ILB. 

We know Tomlin like positional flexibility, so maybe he sees something of that in Bruce.
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« Reply #31 on: Apr 29, 2009 at 12:47 »

quote]Instead, Schantz received a phone call from the defending Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh Steelers in the sixth round explaining that they had no intention of drafting a linebacker but would like him to join the team as an undrafted free agent.

Interesting perspective to process, knowing pretty much from R6 that each slot had one name on it (if not earlier -- I suspect everything after R3 was pretty well scripted, and less a matter of "let's see who falls").

Schantz is 6 7/8", 234#, a respectable if not exactly blazing 4.71 40, 19 lifts, 34" VJ, and 9'08" BJ (62.75 KEI).  Not taken on measurables alone, then.

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Schantz transferred from San Diego State following the 2006 season after being benched during his sophomore season. In his two years at PSU, he accumulated 199 tackles, 23 for loss and 14 pass breakups. In 2008, he earned second-team All-Big Sky and third-team AP All-American status with 114 stops, 14 for loss.

Schantz impressed scouts with his aggressiveness during Texas vs. the Nation All-Star Challenge practices, potentially earning a draftable grade.

Schantz was recently named Portland State team Most Valuable Player and second team All-Big Sky Conference. He is also a candidate for the Buck Buchanan Award, given annually to the top defensive player in the nation at the NCAA I FCS level. Schantz led the Vikings with 115 tackles, 15 tackles for loss, nine pass breakups, and had an interception, a fumble recovery and a forced fumble this season. [*Note: some disparity in the stats, FWIW.]

Positives: Heady, passionate player whose instincts and agility made him a tackling machine at the FCS level. Strong in the upper body, able to shed guards and fullbacks to make tackles inside. Comes hard on run blitzes or when a hole presents itself; willing to take on fullbacks to plug a gap. Solid tackler with good length and the ability to break down and make the play in space. Opens his hips quickly to get into his drop. Reads the quarterback and reacts well to balls thrown in front of him. Could be a very good special teams player because of his toughness and tackling ability.

Negatives: Only adequate size and speed for an NFL linebacker. Thin in the lower body and legs. Rarely blows up ballcarriers when making a tackle. Struggles to beat backs and receivers to the edge, and will really have problems doing so in the NFL. Likes to freelance, often leaving his responsibilities to rush into the backfield. 

Best possible, he's a guy who's another UDFA gem.  At worst, he's a guy at camp.

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Instead, Schantz received a phone call from the defending Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh Steelers in the sixth round explaining that they had no intention of drafting a linebacker but would like him to join the team as an undrafted free agent.[/quote]

Interesting perspective to process, knowing pretty much from R6 that each slot had one name on it (if not earlier -- I suspect everything after R3 was pretty well scripted, and less a matter of "let's see who falls").

Schantz is 6 7/8", 234#, a respectable if not exactly blazing 4.71 40, 19 lifts, 34" VJ, and 9'08" BJ (62.75 KEI).  Not taken on measurables alone, then.

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Schantz transferred from San Diego State following the 2006 season after being benched during his sophomore season. In his two years at PSU, he accumulated 199 tackles, 23 for loss and 14 pass breakups. In 2008, he earned second-team All-Big Sky and third-team AP All-American status with 114 stops, 14 for loss.

Schantz impressed scouts with his aggressiveness during Texas vs. the Nation All-Star Challenge practices, potentially earning a draftable grade.

Schantz was recently named Portland State team Most Valuable Player and second team All-Big Sky Conference. He is also a candidate for the Buck Buchanan Award, given annually to the top defensive player in the nation at the NCAA I FCS level. Schantz led the Vikings with 115 tackles, 15 tackles for loss, nine pass breakups, and had an interception, a fumble recovery and a forced fumble this season. [*Note: some disparity in the stats, FWIW.]

Positives: Heady, passionate player whose instincts and agility made him a tackling machine at the FCS level. Strong in the upper body, able to shed guards and fullbacks to make tackles inside. Comes hard on run blitzes or when a hole presents itself; willing to take on fullbacks to plug a gap. Solid tackler with good length and the ability to break down and make the play in space. Opens his hips quickly to get into his drop. Reads the quarterback and reacts well to balls thrown in front of him. Could be a very good special teams player because of his toughness and tackling ability.

Negatives: Only adequate size and speed for an NFL linebacker. Thin in the lower body and legs. Rarely blows up ballcarriers when making a tackle. Struggles to beat backs and receivers to the edge, and will really have problems doing so in the NFL. Likes to freelance, often leaving his responsibilities to rush into the backfield. 

Best possible, he's a guy who's another UDFA gem.  At worst, he's a guy at camp.

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« Reply #32 on: Apr 29, 2009 at 12:50 »

BTW, Schantz was rated 15th best ILB; Donovan Woods and Patrick Bailey, last year's UDFA LB surprises, were ranked 50th and unranked.  So, keep an eye on Schantz.
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« Reply #33 on: Apr 29, 2009 at 15:55 »

Instead, Schantz received a phone call from the defending Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh Steelers in the sixth round explaining that they had no intention of drafting a linebacker but would like him to join the team as an undrafted free agent.

I guess things are what they are, but this just doesn't sound right.  I heard Jerry Jones also mention that America's Team was calling potential free agents while the draft was still goin' on.  I was always under the impression that this was verboten. 
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« Reply #34 on: Apr 29, 2009 at 16:12 »

Instead, Schantz received a phone call from the defending Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh Steelers in the sixth round explaining that they had no intention of drafting a linebacker but would like him to join the team as an undrafted free agent.

I guess things are what they are, but this just doesn't sound right.  I heard Jerry Jones also mention that America's Team was calling potential free agents while the draft was still goin' on.  I was always under the impression that this was verboten. 


Nah, they're not trying to lock 'em in or anything, just announcing intentions.  Eh, once you get into R6 and definitely R7, as a player, you'd prefer to go undrafted.  Gives guys the pick of the litter and the chances of making the squad are about the same.
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« Reply #35 on: Apr 29, 2009 at 17:40 »

Eh, I really liked the Foote/Timmons platoon last year.  I guess they feel Timmons is ready for full-time duty.

I'd rather drop Townsend than Foote.  Taylor, Gay, Ratliff, Bryant, Lewis, Burnett, and Madison should be good enough at CB.
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« Reply #36 on: Apr 29, 2009 at 18:06 »

Instead, Schantz received a phone call from the defending Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh Steelers in the sixth round explaining that they had no intention of drafting a linebacker but would like him to join the team as an undrafted free agent.

I guess things are what they are, but this just doesn't sound right.  I heard Jerry Jones also mention that America's Team was calling potential free agents while the draft was still goin' on.  I was always under the impression that this was verboten. 

Yeah, you can't put a contract out there, but you can let a player know you're interested.  As aj mentioned, the UDFAs can be a little selective, go where they have a better shot at starting, or go to a better overall team.  But there is more guaranteed cash as a draft pick.  Maybe not a lot, but some.  Tens of thousands.  Say, $37,000 on average.  It's not true, but say it anyway.

Nah, they're not trying to lock 'em in or anything, just announcing intentions.  Eh, once you get into R6 and definitely R7, as a player, you'd prefer to go undrafted.  Gives guys the pick of the litter and the chances of making the squad are about the same.
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