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« on: Jun 03, 2009 at 21:40 »

Then people wonder why PNC is a fucking morgue every night...

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09154/974921-100.stm
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« Reply #1 on: Jun 04, 2009 at 06:26 »

Congratulations for finally making the Major Leagues, Nate.

What that organization is doing in a publicly funded stadium is criminal. Someone should be held responsible. What happened to "We need a new ballpark to be competitive"? When is that going to happen? This team is stealing money from this city. Anyone who attends a baseball game in Pittsburgh is a fool and is just feeding into this nonsense. There is no "plan" to eventually field a competitive team. Just a business plan to fleece this city out of as much money as possible until the Pirates are run out of town with torches and pitchforks.

There was a time when I actually was a baseball fan but this team has made me hate the sport. This city would be better off without them.
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« Reply #2 on: Jun 04, 2009 at 08:12 »

I am going to a game June 28, and I am just disgusted about it. Why am I effing wasting my money and enable those worthless Nuttings? Unbelievable.
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« Reply #3 on: Jun 04, 2009 at 08:56 »

I'm going to the park whenever I'm in town (which is not often) because I love the stadium and love the view and love being there.  I am a "fan" of the Pirates, meaning that I continue to pull for them even though the season is usually over by tax day.  But, there is no doubt that management of the team is abysmal. 

So, you're out of LAST place, 4 games under .500 in June, and you trade one of your best player/prospects for Braves' leftovers?  Teams don't trade away pitching prospects unless they're no good.
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« Reply #4 on: Jun 04, 2009 at 09:49 »

I have no problem trading McLouth in theory. They aren't going to contend for a few years so trading a guy at his highest value for prospects is probably a good move.

However, our GM continues to get fleeced on these types of deals and get other teams garbage in return. Has anyone seen Jason Bay's line this season? It is obscene and the Pirates only got a servicible 3b, a 4th OFer, and two pitchers that will never contribute for him.

Nate has a plus bat as a Cfer and a gold glove. Trading him should net you at least 2 impact prospects and a third prospect with upside in a very low level of the minors. Instead the Pirates receive what looks like a 4th Ofer (all speed, no power) a AAA hack and a young pitcher with possible upside that hasn't quite figured it out yet.

If you're going to trade impact players, you need impact prospects in return. Pirates management stinks, and it's only a matter of time before they are completely irrelevant in this town.
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« Reply #5 on: Jun 04, 2009 at 10:25 »

You trade proven young talent for a bunch of unproven prospects. Let me guess? I'm going to hear the same old B.S. I have heard every other time we have traded proven talent for a couple of hacks? "Just wait and see before you judge. Give it time. This is not a money saving trade, it's for the good of our future."

At some point you have to keep some of these guys. At some point you have to build a team instead of trading away your talent.

It's all good though. This organization has it all under control. It's all part of the 'master plan' that Nutting/Huntington have in store for Pittsburgh fans.  I mean, we have all the reason in the world to trust these guys. Look at their track record.

Even IF these prospects prosper, we will trade them away three years down the road.  Add Alvarez to that list when he eventually starts to prosper.  It's the same old story with this team.  Trade away our best/better players for unproven prospects for our "future".  Just another one of the many reason's why I will never attend that ball park again until there is a new ownership group and front office.

Until then, I will continue to be just one of the many who decide to stay home.  Cheap ass bobbleheads, the view and firework nights are not doing it for me anymore.  It's time for the locals who actually paid for that ball park to get what we paid for......an actual MLB team.
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« Reply #6 on: Jun 04, 2009 at 11:00 »

I was in high school the last time the Buccos were good.  We have become the punchline of MLB.  What do we have to do to get new ownership?  I saw this trade and was in disbelief.  The people of Pittsburgh would love the opportunity to support a winner.  We do not have a NBA team to root for...nor do I think the people would want a team.  Baseball sucks in my mind, only because of the lack of a salary cap, profit sharing and free agency prices.  I am done with it....for good unless we get new ownership and baseball levels the playing field.


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« Reply #7 on: Jun 04, 2009 at 12:50 »

I have no problem trading McLouth in theory. They aren't going to contend for a few years so trading a guy at his highest value for prospects is probably a good move.

That is all well and good if he were in the last year of his contract. Sure. He was signed to a THREE YEAR deal in February, with an option for a fourth. That is not who you trade, unless it is strictly a money move. Which, of course, they deny. Well when someone says it isn't about the money, you can be damn sure it was about the money. Fuck the Nuttings!
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« Reply #8 on: Jun 04, 2009 at 13:50 »

I understand the bitterness of the residents of Pittsburgh and its surrounding areas. I am a huge bucco fan and try to get to around 3 games a year. My kids love the stadium and the experience. We have been lucky because when we have gone the have won most of the time. I will go to games and continue to do so and I am not a fool.

As for the trade itself. Nate has reached his ceiling. McCutchen is ready. He has the possiblity of being better than Nate and is only 22. The pirates have a glut of OF's in the minors. They need pitching and got two relatively good ones back in the trade along with a high ceiling OF in Hernandez. We will see how they pan out.

I feel the GM has been doing his best with what the Pirates have. You all continue to bitch about the trades then complain how badly the team sucks. If the team sucks the players are a big part of it so trying to trade them for big time prospects is not very possible.
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« Reply #9 on: Jun 04, 2009 at 14:08 »

I understand the bitterness of the residents of Pittsburgh and its surrounding areas. I am a huge bucco fan and try to get to around 3 games a year. My kids love the stadium and the experience. We have been lucky because when we have gone the have won most of the time. I will go to games and continue to do so and I am not a fool.

As for the trade itself. Nate has reached his ceiling. McCutchen is ready. He has the possiblity of being better than Nate and is only 22. The pirates have a glut of OF's in the minors. They need pitching and got two relatively good ones back in the trade along with a high ceiling OF in Hernandez. We will see how they pan out.

I feel the GM has been doing his best with what the Pirates have. You all continue to bitch about the trades then complain how badly the team sucks. If the team sucks the players are a big part of it so trying to trade them for big time prospects is not very possible.

How many times do they give up something for nothing?
How many times have we drafted in the top 5 in the last 20 years?

C'mon do not your love for the Pirates cloud the facts...our ownership sucks the big one....you can't make chicken sandwiches from chicken shit

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« Reply #10 on: Jun 04, 2009 at 15:52 »

After 17 straight losing seasons, I think the residents of Pittsburgh have all the reason in the world to "bitch" and "complain" when it comes to this organization.  I think that's the least the Pirates can allow us to do after the people who actually live in this city/area helped fund that ball park.

We "bitch" about the trades because that organization has been doing the same damn thing for seventeen straight years with the same results.  We "complain" because we have been hearing and seeing the same old song and dance from that organization for over a decade and a half.  

What in the hell do people expect the fans to do exactly?  Judging by the attendence at PNC, some are just tired of blindly following that pathetic organization and are no longer drinking the Pirate kool-aid every year.  It's about time.  

They have officially become the most pathetic sports franchise in all of sports. But hey, Coonelly, Huntington and Nutting want us to drink up...



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« Reply #11 on: Jun 04, 2009 at 16:27 »

How many times do they give up something for nothing?
How many times have we drafted in the top 5 in the last 20 years?

C'mon do not your love for the Pirates cloud the facts...our ownership sucks the big one....you can't make chicken sandwiches from chicken shit

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Don't worry, it's all part of the Pirates "commitment to build a strong core". At least that's what they stated shortly after giving Nate his extension during the offseason. :rolleyes:
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« Reply #12 on: Jun 04, 2009 at 16:55 »

I realize the trades over the course of the past 17 years have stunk. The player drafting and development has stunk. I am willing to give this GM, who has been on the job a little over a full year, some time before I make a judgment. They had an excellent draft this past June and that gives me a little belief that things may change.

I won't stop attending games because it is something my family enjoys.

I understand everyone is tired of the same old, same old.

I am willing to give it one more shot with the current regime. If things continue on the same path I will probably be on the side of most of you, but for now I am not.
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« Reply #13 on: Jun 04, 2009 at 23:01 »

I realize the trades over the course of the past 17 years have stunk. The player drafting and development has stunk. I am willing to give this GM, who has been on the job a little over a full year, some time before I make a judgment. They had an excellent draft this past June and that gives me a little belief that things may change.

I won't stop attending games because it is something my family enjoys.

I understand everyone is tired of the same old, same old.

I am willing to give it one more shot with the current regime. If things continue on the same path I will probably be on the side of most of you, but for now I am not.

You know what?  I agree.  I grew up on all sports pittsburgh, and I will be that way until I die.  There is nothing better than sitting with my dad watching a game at PNC, except, of course, sitting with my dad watching a game at the Civic Arena.
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« Reply #14 on: Jun 05, 2009 at 06:49 »

I LOVE going to PNC to watch a game. I HATE what the Nuttings have done to the Pirates. It is an embarrassment.
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« Reply #15 on: Jun 05, 2009 at 19:43 »

So we all agree on this:

1. Pirates stink
2. PNC is awesome
3. Pens are halfway home to the cup
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« Reply #16 on: Jun 06, 2009 at 11:37 »

So we all agree on this:

1. Pirates stink
2. PNC is awesome
3. Pens are halfway home to the cup
Agreed.
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« Reply #17 on: Jun 30, 2009 at 16:48 »

And now we have traded Morgan and Burnett for one of the biggest a-holes in baseball...

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09181/980813-100.stm

Way to go Bucco's.  Can't wait to hear Joseph Goebbels....I mean Neil Huntington sell this one.
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« Reply #18 on: Jun 30, 2009 at 19:52 »

Wow.  Just, wow.

Milledge isn't all bad; I watched him come up (I've lived in NYC for a while now) and never thought he had a chance to grow up because of the oppressive NY media.  He has talent I'd compare to pre-roids Bonds.

Having said that, this is twice in two months we've traded our best player.  Seems like Nutting is the same vampire as McClatchy.
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« Reply #19 on: Jun 30, 2009 at 19:56 »

Thank you Jack Wilson...

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"The bottom line is, even if this trade does work out, it's not going to matter to 80 percent of the people in here," Wilson said. "And over the years, these trades haven't worked. Show me the ones that have worked."

Wilson described himself as "beyond, beyond tired" of such moves.

"We know that they're looking to the future, which doesn't say much about 2009," he continued. "That's probably what's so shocking. We're five games out, and we lost two or three of our everyday players. That's what hits us the most. You can understand if it's the end of July. You see that stuff coming. ... They're businessmen. They're trying to achieve winning baseball in Pittsburgh. The biggest question is: When is that going to be. When do things start turning around? It's just hard for guys who have been here and seen these exact same trades happen and seen it absolutely do nothing. I've been here nine years. I've seen these trades 2 or 3 times a year every year and still haven't had a winning season. You hope, eventually, some of these trades will work out. It's just they haven't yet. They think they're getting deals they can't pass up. I guess. I guess. I guess. Whatever."

On Morgan, specifically, Wilson said: "What you saw on the field wasn't even close to what he brought to the team. That's the type of player, guys those type of caliber, like Jason Bay, Nate McLouth ..."


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