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« on: Jun 17, 2009 at 08:07 »

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=4265568

Any interest from the Pens?
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« Reply #1 on: Jun 17, 2009 at 08:35 »

I'm sure there is interest, but I unfortunately I don't see this team making any huge splash/signing unless salary is traded away. They have 14 guys signed for next season totaling 46.75 million or close to that. That's not including possible resignings of Scuds, Fedontenko, extensions for Letang, etc. The cap is expected to be 56 million with a possible drop to 50 million the season after (although that is just speculation).

Unless some significant salary is traded away or dropped (Dupuis makes 1.4 per!, Gonch extends and takes a paycut, etc.) our dreams of someone like Heatley (7.5 per) or Havlat (4.5 per?) in a Pens sweater just aren't going to happen.

There are still bargains out there though. Or we might just do the rent a player thing again at the deadline, which isn't a bad strategy IMO.
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« Reply #2 on: Jun 17, 2009 at 09:51 »

Yeah, like the Steelers, the Pens are butt up against the cap.  Maybe Ty Law will take a hometown discount.

They have some D, 4th liners, Backup goalie, and RFAs to get done.  That's going to prevent a big UFA signing.  I wonder how Detroit does it though?

So we have:

Kunitz --- Sid --- Huh?
Talbot --- Malkin --- Huh?
Cooke --- Staal --- Kennedy
Dupuis  --- Huh? ---  Godard

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Gonch --- Letang
Scuderi (hoping) ---  Orpik
Eaton --- Gologoski
Lovejoy

D Prioirty:

1)Get Scuderi done.

2) See how Goligoski and Lovejoy workout for us.  They are obviously RFAs and need to be resinged.  I originally thought Gill was a higher prioirty signing, but he seems to be slowing down and would be to costly.  Go with the younger farm hands.

3) Lock up Letang.  The teams future "Gonch"


For the forwards,  I could live with another year of the same Malkin line if we want to persue Fedetenko.  I think Staal's line is set and fine as-is.  We'll see how the fourth line progresses:  I think Dupuis can be interchangeable to play on the other lines as needed.  I've always thought he was good on the forecheck.

O Priorities:

1) The biggest need is an offensive compliment on Sid's line, in the 2-3 Mil range.  I'd prefer an upgrade over Guerin.  How about Samuelsson from Detroit?  Something else that can be considered is trading Kunitz to cut some salary (3.75M).  But then that leaves two wingers to replace on Sids line.

2) Getting Fedentenko resigned

3) Whatever 4th liners can be plugged in/resigned

Goalie:

1) Resign Garon.  We can entertain FAs, but I'm a fan of sticking with what you know.

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« Reply #3 on: Jun 17, 2009 at 10:11 »



This is like the Kovalchuk situation all over again.  Yes, they both would be absolutely disgusting on Sid or Malkin's line and I would love to see one of the two in a Penguins jersey, but we are not talking about free agency here, this would be a trade.

Nevermind the huge cap hit we would take, consider what we would have to give up in order to get him here.  I don't think the Penguins are in a position to trade away more of their youth.  I had no problem with the Hossa trade at the time, but I wouldn't recommend that we do it again with Heatley.  For that reason alone, I wouldn't do the trade.  I wouldn't be surprised to see Colorado, LA or Edmonton trade for him.

IMO, Shero will stick with what he did this past offseason.  Pick up one or two players in the $2.5-$4.0 range and plug them on the top two lines.  Thankfully for us, there are no Miroslav Satan's on the FA list this year.  There will be some great options out there this offseason, hopefully Shero chooses wisely so we are not struggling to get into the playoffs next year.  Good wingers can be had to compliment Malkin or Sid who are not named Kovalchuk, Heatley or Hossa.


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« Reply #4 on: Jun 17, 2009 at 10:29 »

Response to DCSteelers offseason suggestions:

D Prioirty:

1)Get Scuderi done.

Agree, unless he becomes this year's Nick Fisher. I'd go as high as 3 years at 2.5 per for him, but if some jackass is offering 4 million per, we are going to have to move on

2) See how Goligoski and Lovejoy workout for us.  They are obviously RFAs and need to be resinged.  I originally thought Gill was a higher prioirty signing, but he seems to be slowing down and would be to costly.  Go with the younger farm hands.

Goligoski should get a very long look next season. Resign him at a 10% raise. Gill looks like a lumbering oaf out there, but I think he's underrated by alot of people. He's uses his body well, clears the puck like an animal even with his backhand, and is great on the PK. Look like we might have to cut ties with him unless he's taking a discount to stay. Lovejoy is a total question mark to me despite his nice minor league numbers

3) Lock up Letang.  The teams future "Gonch"

This is equal with your # 1 point IMO. This kid has improved dramatically in every facet and is going to continue. Letang is going to be sooooooooo good. Lock him up now.

For the forwards,  I could live with another year of the same Malkin line if we want to persue Fedetenko.  I think Staal's line is set and fine as-is.  We'll see how the fourth line progresses:  I think Dupuis can be interchangeable to play on the other lines as needed.  I've always thought he was good on the forecheck.

I have no problem resigning Fedontenko if the price is right. He is a solid two way guy. Would like to see him bury more chances, but he's very solid all around. Third line is probably set as the "Staal as a power-forward" experiment is probably over. Dupuis makes two much as a 3rd-4th liner and is exposed as a top 6. Would like to see him traded for draft picks to dump the salary

O Priorities:

1) The biggest need is an offensive compliment on Sid's line, in the 2-3 Mil range.  I'd prefer an upgrade over Guerin.  How about Samuelsson from Detroit?  Something else that can be considered is trading Kunitz to cut some salary (3.75M).  But then that leaves two wingers to replace on Sids line.

Agree but don't want Samuelsson. I think there are better options for what would be spent on him. As far as Guerin, he'd have to take a monster discount and only play about 50 regular season games to keep him fresh for the playoffs. He's mentioned taking less to play here but we'll see when other playoff contenders come calling with bigger offers.

2) Getting Fedentenko resigned


3) Whatever 4th liners can be plugged in/resigned

Shero's speciality. Nice not to see Recchi miscast as a 3rd liner these days.

Goalie:

1) Resign Garon.  We can entertain FAs, but I'm a fan of sticking with what you know.

Eh, I think we can go cheaper than Garon here, but I guess I have no problem bringing him back.

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« Reply #5 on: Jun 17, 2009 at 10:35 »

Well, to get Heatley, it would have to involve a trade of some sort. Unless Shero is willing to part with Staal, and there's no evidence to say he is, I don't think we have anything close to making a deal happen with Ottawa. Heatley is signed @ $7.5 mil. through the 20013/14 season as well. We would need to move more than Staal to add his salary. We would also be giving up 8 years by swapping Staal for Heatley.

I do believe our free-agency will consist of trying to retain Scuderi, Fedotenko and possibly Guerin. Also locking down Letang. Both Zigomanis and Adams played for under $1 mil. last season so there's a good chance we bring one or both back. With a lack of an increase in cap room, I don't see Shero doing anything big by way of free-agency.

I'd really like to see somebody from the Baby Pens take a huge step in their developement like...
-Pessonen (led W/B in points w/ 82 in 70 games)
-Caputi (45 points in 66 games)
-Mark Letestu (61 points in 73 games)
-John Curry (2.38 GAA, 0.916 SV%) would be much cheaper than Garon.
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« Reply #6 on: Jun 17, 2009 at 10:38 »

So we have:

Kunitz --- Sid --- Jagr?
Talbot --- Malkin --- Tanguay?
Cooke --- Staal --- Kennedy
Dupuis  --- Huh? ---  Godard
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« Reply #7 on: Jun 17, 2009 at 11:03 »

IMO, our main priority should be finding a winger for the Crosby or Malkin line.  I want more of a consistent punch on those top two lines.  I would let Sykora walk (Russia showing interest) and Satan from the start.  Then look and see what you want to do with Guerin, Feds, Ziggy and Adams. 

I would love to see Guerin resign for one more year and on the cheap.  Listening to his interviews over these last few days and looking at his current situation, I don't think he would have a problem with it.  Also, listening to Malkin and Sid speak over the last few days, I don't think they would have a problem with it and I wouldn't be shocked to learn that Sid is pushing Shero to resign him.

I'm still not comfortable with Talbot and Fedotenko flanking Malkin.  One or the other is fine, but I think Geno needs a winger who is more consistent when it comes to scoring goals.  Granted, Talbot showed up huge in these playoffs, but can he do it consistently for a full season? I haven't seen it yet.  The same goes for Fedotenko.  Excellent role players, excellent third/fourth line talent, but I think Malkin deserves better.

On the fourth line, I have no problem with Dupuis down there and I would have no problem resigning Ziggy and Adams at the right price of course.  Overall, I'm not really worried about our third and fourth lines.  Resign/sign a few on the cheap and plug them in.  I'm more concerned with getting more punch on the top two.

On defense, I think Scuderi will be resigned, let Gill walk and there is no doubt in my mind that Gogo and Tanger will be resigned.  Take care of the future.  Bring up Gogo next year and let him play.  Maybe even bring up Lovejoy as insurance if need be or resign Boucher on the very cheap.

Gonch - Tanger
Scuds - Orpik
Gogo - Eaton
Lovejoy (Boucher)
 
As for goaltending.  I really don't care one way or the other if we keep Garon or not.  While it would be nice to have a veteran behind Fleury, he would have to take $1M and even that's pushing it.  If we let him walk, I would have absolutely no problem seeing Curry up here next year.  He looked very solid when we needed him this past season.  If they feel he is not ready, find a veteran out there who is willing to come cheaper than Garon.

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« Reply #8 on: Jun 17, 2009 at 11:09 »

So we have:

Kunitz --- Sid --- Jagr?
Talbot --- Malkin --- Tanguay?
Cooke --- Staal --- Kennedy
Dupuis  --- Huh? ---  Godard

Love the Tanguay signing, hate the idea of bringing Jagr here.

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"If I ever go to (the NHL), they would be my No. 1 pick because they showed the interest first. I never forget that and I respect that. They would be my first pick."
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« Reply #9 on: Jun 17, 2009 at 11:14 »

You could trade Kunitz and some pics... and/or scrubs for Heatly.

The difference between Heatly and Kunitz is 4 million.  We are debating adding an ugrade to Sids line for 2-4 Million anyways?  Still, another sacrafice would have to be made concerning a signing in this scenario (Scuderi, RFA, Fedentenko?)....

Then find some other cheap addition to Sid's line- or promote up someone like TK...maybe Tanguay.

It could be worked that way IMO, but it's a little risky in terms of prudent cap management in the years ahead.
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« Reply #10 on: Jun 17, 2009 at 11:18 »

You could trade Kunitz and some pics... and/or scrubs for Heatly.

It's going to take more than Kunitz and some picks to land Heatley.  

It took us a first round pick (Esposito), another first round pick, Armstrong and Christensen to land Hossa.

Try Staal, Gogo, (another player or pick) for Heatley.  Something around there.  No way Shero does it or should do it.
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« Reply #11 on: Jun 17, 2009 at 17:59 »

You could trade Kunitz and some pics... and/or scrubs for Heatly.

It's going to take more than Kunitz and some picks to land Heatley.  

It took us a first round pick (Esposito), another first round pick, Armstrong and Christensen to land Hossa.

Try Staal, Gogo, (another player or pick) for Heatley.  Something around there.  No way Shero does it or should do it.

Totally agree. If the Sens were stupid enough to trade Heatley for a guy who's been playing on Crosby's line and scoring only 1 goal in the entire playoffs + a couple draft picks, Shero would have done it yesterday.
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« Reply #12 on: Jun 19, 2009 at 11:05 »

Something else that can be considered is trading Kunitz to cut some salary (3.75M).

I think we also have to remember that it takes two to tango.  Trading away Kunitz in order to free up some cap space is easier said than done.  The cap is expected to go down in 2010-2011, moving his salary is not going to be easy.  Teams are going to want to give us back a player who's salary is in the same ballpark as Kunitz's.

Also, forget his $3.5 million dollar salary for a second.  The guy brings some great grit to the team and can net you some goals from time to time, but scoring two goals over the last 34 games doesn't help his cause.  While many were ready to jump on Malkin, Sid and Fleury at times in these playoffs, Kunitz's lack of production went ignored when we needed some secondary scoring the most. 
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« Reply #13 on: Jun 23, 2009 at 18:01 »

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Heatley gives list of teams he'd accept trade to
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According to the Ottawa Sun, Senators star forward Dany Heatley has given the team a list of 10 teams he'd accept a trade to.

While Senators GM Bryan Murray has been manning the phones, and expects talks to intensify later this week, the Sun claims seven of the teams on Heatley's wishlist are the Boston Bruins, Chicago Blackhawks, Detroit Red Wings, Los Angeles Kings, New York Rangers, San Jose Sharks and Vancouver Canucks.

The Sun claims the Edmonton Oilers, Minnesota Wild, Colorado Avalanche and St. Louis Blues are also very interested in Heatley.

It's believed the Oilers are not among the teams Heatley's interested in going to, while it's uncertain if the Wild, Avs or Blues made the cut.

"I'm doing a lot of the asking. Nobody has really agreed at the moment. But one team is getting close to where I want to be," Murray told the Sun. "I guess I can take an offer that's been made, but it's not one that I want right now."

Heatley has a $4 million bonus that must be paid on July 1. If the Senators trade him before then, they won't be on the hook.

"Until we get (an offer) that we're satisfied with, and let me assure you I will never be completely satisfied ... you guys will give me a hard time if I don't make the right trade," Murray said. "I'm going to try to get as good a player back as I can."

Newspaper: Ottawa Sun

From the Editor: The Senators will likely get a deal done around draft day on Friday. There's plenty of interest and teams will up their offers closer to the start of Round 1. As of now, I'd be a little surprised if Heatley's still a Senators after the weekend. Which team steps up, though, I'm not certain about. -- David Pagnotta.


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« Reply #14 on: Jun 27, 2009 at 15:24 »

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MONTREAL -- The Ottawa Senators weren't able to get an offer they couldn't refuse last night, so disgruntled winger Dany Heatley is staying put ... for now.

With a loose deadline of July 1 and a whopping $4 million bonus looming, Senators GM Bryan Murray opted not to deal Heatley during Round 1 of the NHL entry draft at the Bell Centre because he couldn't find anybody willing to pay the price the club wants for the two-time 50-goal scorer.

Though Murray huddled with Rangers GM Glen Sather before the draft started, they were unable to get a deal done. Murray sat with Eugene Melnyk and told reporters the Ottawa owner has been "supportive" and trusts Murray to take whatever action is necessary.

"It's hard to make trades in the league today. Money comes into play and other factors come into play. We've talked a lot, but we've never had any inkling that we were going to do the deal. It never came to that at all," said Murray. "I had discussions, but not a lot. A couple of teams I have talked with in the past were just beating around the bush."

League sources said the Senators asking price is high because the club isn't dealing from a position of strength. As reported first by Sun Media earlier this week, Murray wanted two top end players and a No. 1 pick going into the draft.

The Oilers are among the serious suitors, which include Los Angeles, Minnesota, the New York Rangers, Chicago and St. Louis.

Edmonton has been aggressive but don't want to part with Andrew Cogliano or Sam Gagner.


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« Reply #15 on: Jun 30, 2009 at 17:00 »

Looks like the Rangers are clearing out some cap room to make a deal. For Heatley? What a stupid trade for Montreal. Gomez has to have one of the worst contracts in the NHL. Gomez = $7.35-million, Higgins = $1.7-million LOL.

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Getting a jump on the free agent market, the Montreal Canadiens moved to secure their centre ice position via trade, making a deal with the New York Rangers Tuesday and taking on a whole lot of salary in the process.

The Canadiens acquired centre Scott Gomez, winger Tom Pyatt and defenceman Mike Busto from the New York Rangers in exchange for winger Chris Higgins and defencemen Doug Janik, Ryan McDonagh and Pavel Valentenko.

Gomez, 29, is coming off a down season for the Rangers, finishing with 58 points, his lowest total since 2002-2003.

"We are extremely pleased to have acquired a player of the caliber of Scott Gomez. He is an outstanding playmaker and an excellent skater. Having won the Stanley Cup twice with the New Jersey Devils, he brings to our team a lot of playoff experience. Scott is an elite player who will certainly contribute to the success of our team for years to come" said Canadiens GM Bob Gainey.

A two-time Stanley Cup winner with the New Jersey Devils, Gomez was a blockbuster free agent signing for the Rangers in the summer of 2007.  Gomez is signed through 2013-2014, at a salary cap hit of more than $7.35-million, so he represents a significant investment.

In 706 career games, Gomez has 148 goals, 430 assists and 578 points, adding 81 points in 114 career playoff games.

Higgins, a 26-year-old restricted free agent winger, also struggled in 2008-2009, scoring a career-low 23 points in 57 games as he missed a combined 25 games with hand and groin injuries. 

Prior to last season, however, Higgins recorded three straight seasons of at least 20 goals and he'll be a more economical option for the Rangers as he earned $1.7-million last season.

McDonagh, 20, was Montreal's first-round pick in 2007 and recorded 16 points in 36 games as a 6-foot-1, 212-pound sophomore at the University of Wisconsin in 2008-2009. 

Valentenko, 22, has good size at 6-foot-2, 202 pounds, but left the Canadiens' farm team in Hamilton early last season to play for Moscow Dynamo in the KHL, where he finished with one assist in eight games.

Janik, a 29-year-old journeyman acquired from Dallas last season, will be an unrestricted free agent on July 1.

The minor leaguers coming to Montreal aren't considered elite prospects.  A six-foot, 185-pound forward, Tom Pyatt is a 22-year-old who put up 37 points in 73 games with the Hartford Wolf Pack of the AHL last season and was a fourth-round pick in 2005.

23-year-old Busto is 6-foot-1, 210 pounds and registered 11 points and a minus-7 rating in 54 games with Charlotte of the ECHL.
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« Reply #16 on: Jun 30, 2009 at 20:25 »

Wow, what a terrible trade for the Montreal. Gomez sucks if he's not playing the shitty trap in New Jersey and that contract sucks even worse. It's so nice to have a competent GM, I say.

Also, Heatley will fit in wonderfully with the rest of the whiny assholes in Ranger blue.
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« Reply #17 on: Jul 01, 2009 at 00:02 »

It's going to cost the Rags an arm and a leg to get Heatley, but it's fun watching teams in our division trade away their future for what they feel is that final piece of the puzzle.  Unfortunately for the Rags, it's going to take more than Heatley to get that team over the hump.  They have a mediocre defense for starters and they completely lack offensive chemistry.

The names they have signed and the money they have blown on these guys over the last few years is disgusting.  Where do you begin?

Wade Redden - A six year-39 million dollar contract.  This is a guy who's play was dropping off during his last two seasons in Ottawa.  Instead of getting him to take a cut in pay, Sather turns around and gives him that type of coin?  Crazy.

Chris Drury -   A cap charge of $7.05-million.  They have to pay him 8 million in each of the next two years and then 5 million in his final year.  This is a guy who never topped 70 points in a year.  Once again, crazy.

Scotty Gomez - Leave it up to the Rangers to make Gomez's annual salary cap charge of $7.3 million the ninth-highest in the NHL.  Gomez is a perfect example of teams like the Rangers not taking chemistry into consideration.  They signed him because they felt he was going to click on the Jagr line, but it never worked out for him or the Rangers. 

Those are just three names.
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« Reply #18 on: Jul 01, 2009 at 00:07 »

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The first thing you should know is that the Dany Heatley trade to Edmonton is not officially dead. At least not yet.

It's true that Dany Heatley did not waive his no-movement clause when requested by the Edmonton Oilers on Tuesday night, but that isn't to say it's not still possible for him to waive it on Wednesday. He has, technically speaking, not issued an outright refusal to move.

The confusion on all of this surrounded a perceived deadline of midnight Tuesday night for the Senators to move Heatley.

The Senators owe Heatley a $4 million signing bonus, to be paid on July 1 (today). The widely-held belief was that if the Senators didn't trade Heatley by July 1, or at midnight Tuesday night, they would be stuck paying it and the expenditure would drastically alter the dynamic of any Heatley trade and what the Senators expect to get in return.

Ottawa had agreed to a deal with the Edmonton Oilers on Tuesday night that would have sent Andrew Cogliano, Dustin Penner and Ladislav Smid to the Senators in exchange for Heatley. Heatley was asked to waive his no-movement clause by the Senators but he didn't oblige. Which is not the same thing as an outright or unequivocal rejection.

The Senators are still on the clock in their window to trade Heatley without absorbing the cost of the $4 million signing bonus and will be until 11:59 p.m. eastern time on Wednesday night.

So while the Senators are painfully aware now that Heatley would in all likelihood prefer not to go to Edmonton, and might look more favorably on a deal to, say, the New York Rangers, another team that was engaged in serious talks with the Senators on Tuesday night, nothing has been settled with any degree of certainty.

No one should suggest Heatley is prepared to waive his no-movement clause to go to Edmonton any more than it should be suggested he absolutely won't.

That final decision has not been made because Heatley's agent, J.P. Barry, believed the actual deadline was at 11:59 p.m. eastern on Wednesday night, not 11:59 p.m. eastern on Tuesday night.

So the soap opera continues, and likely will for the better part of Canada Day and the NHL's annual free-agent frenzy.


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« Reply #19 on: Jul 01, 2009 at 23:39 »

Christ, I'm glad Shero had absolutely no plans on trading for this guy.  Nevermind the amount of cash we would have to pay him or what we would have to give up for him in a trade.  Can you imagine the amount of the cash we would have to spend on tampons and pads on this guy?

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The first day of NHL free agency ended the way it began. Like he did on Tuesday, disgruntled Senators forward declined to waive his no-movement clause by midnight eastern on Wednesday in order to facilitate a trade to the Edmonton Oilers. The Senators are now on the hook for the $4 million signing bonus to Heatley.

The Sens had agreed to a deal with the Oilers on Tuesday night that would have sent Andrew Cogliano, Dustin Penner and Ladislav Smid to Ottawa in exchange for Heatley. He was asked to waive his no-movement clause by the Senators but did not oblige.

Heatley signed a six-year contract with the Senators for $45 million in October of 2007, but recently said he wanted out of Ottawa due to philosophical differences with head coach Cory Clouston.

The 28-year-old is set to earn $7.5 million this season.
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« Reply #20 on: Jul 02, 2009 at 08:23 »

How does Glen Sather still have a job?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=4301232


7.5 per for Gaborik?   Great signing... for the rest of the division.
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« Reply #21 on: Jul 02, 2009 at 08:39 »

How does Glen Sather still have a job?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=4301232


7.5 per for Gaborik?   Great signing... for the rest of the division.
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That's still a better deal for the Rangers than the one Sather gave Scott Gomez and Chris Drury.
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« Reply #22 on: Jul 31, 2009 at 22:21 »

So much for Edmonton...

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The Dany Heatley situation took another strange twist Friday with Edmonton Oilers GM Steve Tambellini publicly announcing he's no longer interested in the disgruntled Ottawa Senators sniper.

Edmonton spent the better part of a month courting the former 50-goal scorer -- a process that started after Tambellini hammered out a deal with the Ottawa Senators for Heatley, only to have the winger refuse to waive a no-trade clause.


http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=286369

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« Reply #23 on: Sep 12, 2009 at 14:20 »

The soap opera is finally over.  Now hopefully we will receive weekly updates on Heatley's yeast infection up until the season starts...

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Heatley and a fifth round draft pick have been traded to the San Jose Sharks in exchange for Milan Michalek, Jonathan Cheechoo and a second round pick.


http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=290808

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