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« Reply #10 on: Jul 08, 2009 at 13:58 »

Why not 2?  Don't have to worry about the snaky around aspect that way.  Doubt I had any worth keeping anyways.

As for the draft date - if that works for everyone then let's do it then.
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« Reply #11 on: Jul 08, 2009 at 18:27 »

Going by the order of finish, the 2008 rosters in order of 2009 draft selection (not including DEF, PK, and IDF - not fucking likely that'd be anyone's keeper):

1. Rubber My McBeams (mis-managed by Jonzr): 2-11-0, 933.45 pts.

Michael Bush (Oak - RB)
Jason Campbell (Was - QB)
Matt Cassel (KC - QB)
Patrick Crayton (Dal - WR)
Vernon Davis (SF - TE)
T.J. Duckett (Sea - RB)
Warrick Dunn (TB - RB)   
Anthony Gonzalez (Ind - WR)   
Domenik Hixon (NYG - WR)
Santonio Holmes (Pit - WR)
Willis McGahee (Bal - RB)
Willie Parker (Pit - RB)
Roscoe Parrish (Buf - WR)
Antwaan Randle El (Was - WR)
Alex Smith (NE - TE)

2. I'mRetired-NoImNot (manager - kluisi): 2-11-0, 994.98 pts.

Bernard Berrian (Min - WR)
Dwayne Bowe (KC - WR)
Plaxico Burress (NYG - WR)
Jerricho Cotchery (NYJ - WR)
Kevin Curtis (Phi - WR)
Anthony Fasano (Mia - TE)
David Garrard (Jac - QB)
Ryan Grant (GB - RB)
Vincent Jackson (SD - WR)
Chris Johnson (Ten - RB)
Marshawn Lynch (Buf - RB)
Deuce McAllister (NO - RB)
Muhsin Muhammad (Car - WR)
J.T. O'Sullivan (Cin - QB)
Chad Ochocinco (Cin - WR)

3. Key Lime Pirates (Y2Joyce): 6-7-0, 1117.53 pts.

Joseph Addai (Ind - RB)
Deion Branch (Sea - WR)
Antonio Bryant (TB - WR)
Larry Fitzgerald (Ari - WR)
Peyton Hillis (Den - RB)
Bryant Johnson (Det - WR)
Le'Ron McClain (Bal - RB)
Donovan McNabb (Phi - QB)
Lance Moore (NO - WR)   
Sammy Morris (NE - RB)
Greg Olsen (Chi - TE)
Amani Toomer (NYG - WR)
Kurt Warner (Ari - QB)
Brian Westbrook (Phi - RB)
Kellen Winslow (TB - TE)

4. Amazon Labias (aj): 6-7-0, 1141.52 pts.

Hank Baskett (Phi - WR)
Chris Chambers (SD - WR)
Trent Edwards (Buf - QB)
Justin Gage (Ten - WR)
BenJarvus Green-Ellis (NE - RB)
Fred Jackson (Buf - RB)   
Steven Jackson (StL - RB)
Thomas Jones (NYJ - RB)
Donald Lee (GB - TE)
Peyton Manning (Ind - QB)
Dominic Rhodes (Buf - RB)
L.J. Smith (Bal - TE)
Steve Smith (Car - WR)
Darren Sproles (SD - RB)
Hines Ward (Pit - WR)
Selvin Young (Den - RB)



Ahmad Bradshaw (NYG - RB)   
Drew Brees (NO - QB)
Reggie Bush (NO - RB)
Braylon Edwards (Cle - WR)   
Devery Henderson (NO - WR)   
Calvin Johnson (Det - WR)
Julius Jones (Sea - RB)   
Matt Jones (Jac - WR)
Eli Manning (NYG - QB)   
Darren McFadden (Oak - RB)
Bo Scaife (Ten - TE)
Jeremy Shockey (NO - TE)
Steve Slaton (Hou - RB)
Roy Williams (Dal - WR)

6. Spen's Angry Reds (ESPN Comedian): 9-4-0, 1205.23 pts.

Arnaz Battle (SF - WR)
Anquan Boldin (Ari - WR)
Reggie Brown (Phi - WR)
Patrick Cobbs (Mia - RB)
Donald Driver (GB - WR)
DeShaun Foster (SF - RB)
Jeff Garcia (Oak - QB)
Antonio Gates (SD - TE)
Frank Gore (SF - RB)
Greg Jennings (GB - WR)
Marcedes Lewis (Jac - TE)
Aaron Rodgers (GB - QB)
Tony Romo (Dal - QB)
Fred Taylor (NE - RB)
Bobby Wade (Min - WR)
DeAngelo Williams (Car - RB)   

7. USC JAR'S (jar): 7-6-0, 1035.80 pts.

Marion Barber (Dal - RB)
Davone Bess (Mia - WR)
Greg Camarillo (Mia - WR)
Jake Delhomme (Car - QB)
Justin Fargas (Oak - RB)
Joe Flacco (Bal - QB)
Tony Gonzalez (Atl - TE)
Johnnie Lee Higgins (Oak - WR)
Torry Holt (Jac - WR)
Larry Johnson (KC - RB)
Brandon Stokley (Den - WR)
Pierre Thomas (NO - RB)
Roddy White (Atl - WR)

8. Chickens of Gen. Gao (penso): 8-5-0, 1113.52 pts.

J.J. Arrington (Den - RB)
Donnie Avery (StL - WR)
Kevin Boss (NYG - TE)
Tom Brady (NE - QB)
Correll Buckhalter (Den - RB)   
Laveranues Coles (Cin - WR)
Tim Hightower (Ari - RB)
Brandon Jacobs (NYG - RB)
Rudi Johnson (Det - RB)
Dustin Keller (NYJ - TE)   
Randy Moss (NE - WR)
Santana Moss (Was - WR)
Ben Roethlisberger (Pit - QB)   
Matt Ryan (Atl - QB)
Derrick Ward (TB - RB)   
LenDale White (Ten - RB)

9. Keystone Cops   (KC): 7-6-0   , 1077.77 pts.

Cedric Benson (Cin - RB)
Steve Breaston (Ari - WR)
Ronnie Brown (Mia - RB)
Joshua Cribbs (Cle - WR)
Owen Daniels (Hou - TE)
Rashied Davis (Chi - WR)
Michael Jenkins (Atl - WR)
Jerious Norwood (Atl - RB)
Chad Pennington (Mia - QB)
Eddie Royal (Den - WR)
Jonathan Stewart (Car - RB)
Tyler Thigpen (KC - QB)
LaDainian Tomlinson (SD - RB)
Reggie Wayne (Ind - WR)
Carnell Williams (TB - RB)

10. Msdmnr's Mongrels   (msdmnr): 7-6-0, 1236.89 pts.

Isaac Bruce (SF - WR)
Rock Cartwright (Was - RB)
Lee Evans (Buf - WR)
Kevin Faulk (NE - RB)
Brett Favre (NYJ - QB)
Marvin Harrison (Ind - WR)
Maurice Jones-Drew (Jac - RB)
Brandon Marshall (Den - WR)   
Heath Miller (Pit - TE)
Kyle Orton (Den - QB)
Clinton Portis (Was - RB)
Visanthe Shiancoe (Min - TE)   
Michael Turner (Atl - RB)

11. Hungry Whoremongers (SCacalaki): 7-6-0, 1146.87 pts.

Derek Anderson (Cle - QB)
Dallas Clark (Ind - TE)
Matt Forte (Chi - RB)
Matt Hasselbeck (Sea - QB)
Devin Hester (Chi - WR)
Ike Hilliard (TB - WR)
T.J. Houshmandzadeh (Sea - WR)
Andre Johnson (Hou - WR)
Jamal Lewis (Cle - RB)   
Derrick Mason (Bal - WR)
Philip Rivers (SD - QB)   
Leon Washington (NYJ - RB)
Wes Welker (NE - WR)

12. The Sportin Woodleys (Finny): 9-4-0, 1239.86 pts.

John Carlson (Sea - TE)   
Jamaal Charles (KC - RB)
Marques Colston (NO - WR)
Jay Cutler (Chi - QB)
Ted Ginn Jr. (Mia - WR)
Shaun Hill (SF - QB)
DeSean Jackson (Phi - WR)
Byron Leftwich (TB - QB)
Mewelde Moore (Pit - RB)
Terrell Owens (Buf - WR)
Adrian Peterson (Min - RB)
Kevin Smith (Det - RB)
Chester Taylor (Min - RB)
Kevin Walter (Hou - WR)
Ricky Williams (Mia - RB)
Jason Witten (Dal - TE)

***NOTE:  We had the discussion of draft order last year, and I forget how it was resolved.  This order is the Yahoo order of finish, e.g., playoff performance, with non-playoff teams in order of W-L (then point total).  Basically, this is how the NFL does it.

Spen has the 2nd best record overall, but shits the bed and finishes 7th.  Should he pick 6th overall, or 11th?  Hungry Whoremongers had a 7-6 record, and with the point total would be 7th overall, but had a great playoff run and came in 2nd overall.  Again, 11th pick, or 7th?  This is a commish call.

If we adopt a draft order based on overall record, then further discerned by overall points, the order of selection would be:

1. Rubber My McBeams   2-11-0, 933.45
2. ImRetired-NoImNot 2-11-0, 994.98
3. Key Lime Pirates 6-7-0, 1117.53
4. The Amazin' Labias 6-7-0, 1141.52<12. The Sportin Woodleys 9-4-0, 1239.86


Bolded teams pick the same either way, so it doesn't matter to me either way.

***NOTE 2:   Some of these teams literally have no keeper material [*cough, jonzr, cough*].  IIRC, we handled this last year with a supplemental draft.  People posted keepers; teams without keepers would then select from the remains. 
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« Reply #12 on: Jul 08, 2009 at 21:56 »

***NOTE:  We had the discussion of draft order last year, and I forget how it was resolved.  This order is the Yahoo order of finish, e.g., playoff performance, with non-playoff teams in order of W-L (then point total).  Basically, this is how the NFL does it.

Let's do it the NFL way, Superbowl winner picks last, runner-up picks second to last and I pick first!

***NOTE 2:   Some of these teams literally have no keeper material [*cough, jonzr, cough*].  IIRC, we handled this last year with a supplemental draft.  People posted keepers; teams without keepers would then select from the remains. 

People need to add their keepers via Yahoo.  Then those who have none can pick as normal during the live draft and the keepers are protected (unavailable for selection).  The primary thing here is that those with keepers add them to the protected list.  This cannot be over-stressed.

I'm gonna take the Sarah Palin approach - if you abstain from protection then you'll pay the consequences.  Listing keepers here will not protect your players, doing anything other than putting your players on the protected list at the Yahoo league could result in pregnacy losing your "keeper" (who really isn't your keeper b/c you didn't protect him).

Clear as mud yet? 
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« Reply #13 on: Jul 09, 2009 at 08:22 »

Since I can't check out the FFL from work, how do you protect the keepers in Yahoo?

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« Reply #14 on: Jul 09, 2009 at 09:03 »

When you rank your players the keepers can be assigned.  I think. It's something like that.  Still haven't completed the league setup so it may not be available yet.
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« Reply #15 on: Jul 09, 2009 at 11:40 »


People need to add their keepers via Yahoo.  Then those who have none can pick as normal during the live draft and the keepers are protected (unavailable for selection).  The primary thing here is that those with keepers add them to the protected list.  This cannot be over-stressed.


Where is this "protected list" of which you speak Jonzr?  I musta killed the brain cell that was storing that piece of information.  I'm lookin' for it on the league's page, but not coming up with anything.  Im planning to make the same mistake as last year, & hang onto LT.  I'm pretty sure that there is something in the Commish's tool-box that lets you set the number of Keepers & assign them to each team.

So, is it one or two Keepers?  What's the official verdict?

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« Reply #16 on: Jul 09, 2009 at 11:47 »

Yeah, maybe the commish has to assign them for each team.  Hope not.  I haven't finished the setup yet so keepers aren't available yet.
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« Reply #17 on: Jul 09, 2009 at 13:39 »

NFL rules would make most sense.  Champ picks last, runner up picks 11th, rest determined by reg. season finish regardless of playoff performance.  Slight difference in that NFL doesn't do consolation games that would further shake out order of finish, but still seems to make more sense this way.
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« Reply #18 on: Jul 10, 2009 at 10:03 »

Jonzr, I don't think we can assign keepers.  Since my draft experience last year was buggy, I don't recall how the keepers thing worked with a live draft.  But it would seem to me that we would need a supplemental draft prior to the live one, regardless of whether we do one or two keepers.  (Still think two keepers eliminates the issue with the snaking order being reversed... might have had that problem last year???)

Say you decide to throw all your junk back, other folks protect one keeper, and still others protect 2.  Come draft time, the computer won't know to skip the managers with keepers.  So they'll get the keepers PLUS the new draft picks.  Correct me if I'm wrong, jonzr/KC.

If I'm correct, we'd need to set a date for keepers to be announced and a supplemental draft to take place on MGS.  Then you just go through and pick keepers from the unprotected pool.  I'll take the NFL rules order of draft and just use an arbitrary set of keepers for each manager to use the example.  Keepers from 2008 roster in bold, supplemental picks in italics.

Example Keeper Rosters[/u]

1. Jonzr - [none]
2. Kluisi - Chris Johnson, RB, Tenn.
3. Y2J - Larry Fitzgerald, WR, AZ.; Brian Westbrook, RB, Phi.
4. AJ - [none]
5. vin - Steve Slaton, RB, Hou.; Calvin Johnson, WR, Det.
6. Spen - Frank Gore, RB, SF; DeAngelo Williams, RB, Caro.
7. jar - Marion Barber, RB, Dal.
8. pens - Randy Moss, WR, Gaytriots; Tom Brady, QB. Gaytriots
9. KC - LaDainian Tomlinson, RB, SD.
10. msdmnr - Maurice Jones-Drew, RB, Jax; Michael Turner, RB, Atl.
11. Scac - Matt Forte, RB, Chi; Andre Johnson, WR, Hou
12. Finny - Adrian Peterson, RB, Min.; Marques Colston, WR, NO

Again, not saying this is who teams will or should keep, just picking some possible examples, some with zero, some with one, and some with two keepers.  (BTW, msdmnr is a fucking asshole for having both MJD and Turner.)  That means that any team with zero or one keeper will need to get to two keepers in the supplemental draft for teams to be on even footing.

Supplemental Draft Simulation[/u]

OK, my thrilling simulation of a two-round supplemental draft.

1.1: Jonzr - Steven Jackson, RB, St. Lou.

AJ decides to throw back Jackson due to injuries, and jonzr sees Jackson as the best talent there.

1.2: Kluisi - Chris Johnson, RB, Tenn.

Kluisi does not pick, as he has a keeper.

1.3: Y2J - Larry Fitzgerald, WR, AZ.

Keeper.

1.4: aj - Clinton Portis, RB, Wash.

Portis is a casualty of msdmnr's fat RB stable, and aj gambles that he will be less injury prone than Jackson.

1.5: vin - Steve Slaton, RB, Hou.

Keeper.

1.6: Spen - Frank Gore, RB, SF

Keeper.

1.7: jar - Marion Barber, RB, Dal.

Keeper.

1.8: pens - Randy Moss, WR, NE.

Keeper.

1.9: KC - LaDainian Tomlinson, RB, SD.

Keeper.

1.10: msdmnr - Maurice Jones-Drew, RB, Jax

Keeper. 

1.11: Scac - Matt Forte, RB, Chi

Keeper.

1.12: Finny - Adrian Peterson, RB, Min.

Keeper.

2.13: Finny - Marques Colston, WR, NO

Keeper

2.14: Scac - Andre Johnson, WR, Hou

Keeper.

2.15: msdmnr - Michael Turner, RB, Atl.

Keeper. 

2.16: KC - Brandon Jacobs, RB, NYG

Pilfered from Penso's roster of Patriot-lovin'. 

2.17: pens - Tom Brady, QB. NE

Speaking of which.

2.18: jar - Reggie Wayne, WR, Indy

KC gambles that either Portis or Jacobs will be better than Reggie, and jar takes Reggie.

2.19: Spen - DeAngelo Williams, RB, Caro.

Keeper.

2.20: vin - Calvin Johnson, WR, Det.

Keeper.

2.21: aj - Steve Smith, WR, Caro.

AJ had the option to keep Smith, but wanted to see if a top RB might slip.  Since he doesn't like what he sees, he takes Smith back.

2.22:  Y2J - Brian Westbrook, RB, Phi.

Keeper.

2.23: kluisi - Peyton Manning, QB, Indy

K-man hopes Manning bounces back and is worthy of a 2nd round pick this year.  Brees was also an option.

2.24: jonzr - Greg Jennings, WR, GB

Jonzr sees some WR talent, but not a lot at RB right now.



So then you'd go into the live draft, with us essentially starting in R3 with jonzr selecting at 3.25.  You'd just need about half a dozen supp picks, give or take, to get all managers on an even footing.  That seem feasible and fair?
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« Reply #19 on: Jul 10, 2009 at 12:53 »

I think jonzr's point is that yahoo might have a feature that allows us designate predraft keepers; if that's so, the "pre-draft" procedure will simply be those who choose to keep 1 or none picking from the remaining pool, designating them keepers, then, business as usual. 
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