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« on: Jan 03, 2010 at 18:10 »

Fuckin Raiders.

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« Reply #1 on: Jan 03, 2010 at 18:13 »

Ironic part is, KC is gashing the Boncos...

And the Bengals will have something to play for (and therefore likely beat the J-E-T-S Jets).

What happens when you pin your hopes to Chuckles Frye and JaMarcus fuckin' Russell.




Or when you don't beat Oaktown, KC, or fucking CLEVELAND in the regular.
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« Reply #2 on: Jan 03, 2010 at 18:20 »

BTW, if I am correct, by winning and finishing 9-7, the Steelers draft 20th regardless of the late game outcomes...

So, 20, give or take a spot...
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 03, 2010 at 18:21 »

This sucks...

If the Jets lose, are the Texans in? And if the Texans get in, do they get is it because they beat the Raiders in the reg when we didn't? Is that the tie breaker over division records?
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« Reply #4 on: Jan 03, 2010 at 22:51 »

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This sucks...

If the Jets lose, are the Texans in? And if the Texans get in, do they get is it because they beat the Raiders in the reg when we didn't? Is that the tie breaker over division records?

I believe the Texans have a better conference record than we do.  No matter, the Bengals are making it look like the Colts played hard last week.  So Jets and Ravens it is.

Did Frye get hurt or something?  He looked like he was playing pretty well.  Russell just sucks.

Honestly, I don't know how in the hell we lost--twice--to the Been-gals.  They are absolutely awful.
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« Reply #5 on: Jan 03, 2010 at 23:13 »

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Honestly, I don't know how in the hell we lost--twice--to the Been-gals.  They are absolutely awful.

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What happens when you pin your hopes to Chuckles Frye and JaMarcus fuckin' Russell.




Or when you don't beat Oaktown, KC, or fucking CLEVELAND in the regular.

Without question this will go down as the most fucked up season in Steelers history.

If you'd said we're going to 9-7 at the beginning of the season I'd have said you were out of your friggin mind.

If you said we'd have injuries and would lose to San Diego, Balty, Tennessee, Minny, Green Bay, Miami, and piss one away I'd have said "must be some serious injuries to turn us into an average team."

But to beat all those teams but lose to Cleveland, Oakland, KC, Chicago, and Cincy twice?  If I were a betting man and someone gave me odds on that one I'd be standing buck naked on the street corner 'cause I'd have nothing left.

Craziest thing ever...EVER.
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 04, 2010 at 04:59 »

I would have loved for the pieces to fall into place yesterday for us to make it in, but we really didn't deserve to be in the playoffs this year.  Let's hope that not making it will be the wake up call to Tomlin that things need to change.  The secondary needs a complete overhaul, sans Troy.  We need some youth to replace Farrior and Snack.  There are some coaches that need to be fired.

Also, let's not forgot that our Oline is still very suspect.  Arians actually did a *gasp* good job covering up their weaknesses this year.  However, his situational playcalling blows goats.  We really need to find a new OC that can build on this year's success.
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« Reply #7 on: Jan 04, 2010 at 06:42 »

Also, let's hope that Ben gets some coaching and that he listens to it. I love Ben, don't get me wrong, but allowing 50 sacks is unacceptable, and off hand, I'd bet that half of those are on Ben not getting rid of the ball. I don't want to transform his style of play, and I'll accept him taking more sacks than anyone else, but giving up 50?

Some of those were killers, too, sacks that took us out of FG range, including plays off the top of my head against Chicago and Cincinnati, when another FG attempt would have been huge.
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« Reply #8 on: Jan 04, 2010 at 09:12 »

OK, I'll admit it, I shed a couple of tears yesterday when I knew we were done. Sure as hell hope Cincy is one and done in the playoffs!
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« Reply #9 on: Jan 04, 2010 at 09:29 »

Sure as hell hope Cincy is one and done in the playoffs!

And the Ravens.

There are only two teams in the playoffs I can semi-stomach as Super Bowl champs, the Packers and the Saints. Everyone else I want to crach and burn.
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« Reply #10 on: Jan 04, 2010 at 09:50 »

Also, let's hope that Ben gets some coaching and that he listens to it. I love Ben, don't get me wrong, but allowing 50 sacks is unacceptable, and off hand, I'd bet that half of those are on Ben not getting rid of the ball. I don't want to transform his style of play, and I'll accept him taking more sacks than anyone else, but giving up 50?

Some of those were killers, too, sacks that took us out of FG range, including plays off the top of my head against Chicago and Cincinnati, when another FG attempt would have been huge.

I couldn't agree more. While probably one of the most physically gifted and talented QBs ever, he is, frankly, dumb as shit. And egotistical. Throw the ball away. Scramble for a few yards and slide. Don't take a sack all the time. As manimal said, it takes you out of FG range. It also causes undue bodily harm. It also adversely shifts momentum.

If Ben would play with just an ounce of the smarts of Peyton, Brady, Brees or even, dare I say it, Philip Rivers, there could be no question that he is in the top 2 or 3 of this era. However, he repeatedly shoots himself and the team in the foot. I know his style of play produces big-time payouts at times, but considerably more often than not, his insistence on throwing deep - or throwing period - kills us.

All of that said, #7 is the last person I'd blame this crappy season on.
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« Reply #11 on: Jan 04, 2010 at 10:46 »

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I couldn't agree more. While probably one of the most physically gifted and talented QBs ever, he is, frankly, dumb as shit. And egotistical. Throw the ball away. Scramble for a few yards and slide. Don't take a sack all the time. As manimal said, it takes you out of FG range. It also causes undue bodily harm. It also adversely shifts momentum.

If Ben would play with just an ounce of the smarts of Peyton, Brady, Brees or even, dare I say it, Philip Rivers, there could be no question that he is in the top 2 or 3 of this era. However, he repeatedly shoots himself and the team in the foot. I know his style of play produces big-time payouts at times, but considerably more often than not, his insistence on throwing deep - or throwing period - kills us.

All of that said, #7 is the last person I'd blame this crappy season on.

Yeah, those big-ass rings on his hand and two new Lombardis in the trophy case after a 26-year hiatus...too bad he can't be more like Peyton or Brees or Rivers.
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« Reply #12 on: Jan 04, 2010 at 11:04 »

I believe the Texans have a better conference record than we do.  No matter, the Bengals are making it look like the Colts played hard last week.  So Jets and Ravens it is.

Did Frye get hurt or something?  He looked like he was playing pretty well.  Russell just sucks.

Never thought I'd say this, but Frye being taken out of a game killed us.  He looked like a pro bowler out there, and I'm not being sarcastic.  He took 5 or 6 pretty good shots while standing in the pocket and taking a hit as he delivered some strikes.  Not kidding, he was throwing pin point bullets.  I think it was in the 3rd qtr Russell came in and he did OK for about a quarter but went back to his crappy self after that.  Raider D didn't help giving up a 75 yd TD run to Rice.

I always want the AFC to win the Superbowl, no matter what.  Having said that, I would pull for the NFC over San Diego and Balty, but those are the only AFC teams I'd root against.  Wouldn't mind seeing Jets win.  Manning or Brady winning again would be painful, but would rather see that than NFC winning.  It wouldn't kill us for the Bengals to do well even though it doesn't look like they could beat the Steelers right now, which isn't saying much.   I can't stand the thought of Brees or Romo winning a SB.  That would just be torture. In the NFC, I could live with Favre or McNabb winning. 

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« Reply #13 on: Jan 04, 2010 at 13:11 »

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I couldn't agree more. While probably one of the most physically gifted and talented QBs ever, he is, frankly, dumb as shit. And egotistical. Throw the ball away. Scramble for a few yards and slide. Don't take a sack all the time. As manimal said, it takes you out of FG range. It also causes undue bodily harm. It also adversely shifts momentum.

If Ben would play with just an ounce of the smarts of Peyton, Brady, Brees or even, dare I say it, Philip Rivers, there could be no question that he is in the top 2 or 3 of this era. However, he repeatedly shoots himself and the team in the foot. I know his style of play produces big-time payouts at times, but considerably more often than not, his insistence on throwing deep - or throwing period - kills us.

All of that said, #7 is the last person I'd blame this crappy season on.

Yeah, those big-ass rings on his hand and two new Lombardis in the trophy case after a 26-year hiatus...too bad he can't be more like Peyton or Brees or Rivers.

How myopic. Roethlisberger is clearly a winner, but he doesn't do much - nay, anything - to minimize injury risk. You don't see those guys take many hits. You don't see those guys with headline-grabbing amounts of concussions.

Any objective Steelers fan will tell you that Roethlisberger makes many unwise decisions throughout the course of a season, which result in yardage losses and sometimes, his absense (sp?).

And lastly, at this point in their respective careers, I'm sorry, but Peyton and Brees - from a mechanical and game management perspective - are head and shoulders above Roethlisberger, IMO. I love Roethlisberger, but he could be a million times better with some minor adjustments between the ears and more humility.
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« Reply #14 on: Jan 04, 2010 at 13:29 »

Brees?  What he done?
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Dude locked up a #1 seed, all the while with a skidmark on his face.
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« Reply #17 on: Jan 04, 2010 at 14:43 »

  All day yesterday Dierdorf called him "one tough hombre"



When I herd him say that, the first thing that came to mind was "if he was so tough, he would have played in the first Ravens game and we'd be going to the playoffs...
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Dude locked up a #1 seed, all the while with a skidmark on his face.

LMAO

I don't think you get into Canton by locking up a 1st seed.
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« Reply #20 on: Jan 04, 2010 at 16:52 »

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BY FAR the main reason for our failure this year is our defense. 

Undoubtedly defense was a problem this season-- note carefully the first line of my post, that the problems were many.  But to counter your point, the offense at times put undo pressure on the defense by failing to possess the ball sufficiently to rest the D.  In other words, whatever "identity" our offense had (damn little identity it was too, when BA's idea of a running play is the wide receiver screen)did not mesh at all well with what the D could do well.

Also, there is no way you can compare the impact of the defense's injuries to that of the offense.  The D lost the two most important players schematically; the Offense would have had to lose Ben for 11 games and Ward for 12 to compare.  So that argument holds no water.

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Sweed was supposed to be the third receiver.  BA deserves all the blame on his remarkably stupid play calling but you have to give the idiot some of the kudos for getting 1,000 yards out of a "rookie" back, 4,000 yards out of a QB and enough insight to see Wallace as something special.

Last I checked, the offense' primary job is to score points, not rack up yards.  As far as the "insight" on Wallace, everybody knows there was no one else to take Sweed's place.  We're damned lucky Wallace worked out, and it has nothing to do with Arians' insight or WTFever.

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How can we have a first rounder not contribute more?

We all knew Hood was not going to be an immediate contributor.  End in the 3-4 is one of the most difficult positions on the field to play.  Again, we knew this when we drafted him.

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If you give BA an "F" for the year, what do you give DickL? 

I give LeBeau a C.  Although for you to compare Arians to LeBeau is patently absurd-- has Arians ever produced a #1 offense?

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Was BA or the offense our biggest problem this year??  Nothing points in that direction.

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« Reply #21 on: Jan 04, 2010 at 17:32 »

How many leads did the D give up in the 4th quarter?

How many times did the O fail to get a TD in the RZ?

Arians and Lebeau both had many low moments this past season.  As long as Lebeau doesn't retire, both will be back next year.
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« Reply #22 on: Jan 04, 2010 at 17:46 »

My point is simply that BA was not the main reason for our failures this year.  I would go as far as saying they were the least of the contributors to our record!  Our defense and special teams contributed to our record more than our OC.  The same way that our defense contributed more to our super bowl season that our offense did.  I have no idea what you mean when you say our offensive "identity" did not mesh with what the D could do well???  If you mean by that, had BA come up with an executable game plan which would result in the offense holding onto the ball for the entire fourth quarter, then I do understand what you are talking about.  Had BA been able to come up with that approach we would be playing in the playoffs.

I am not comparing off/def injuries or BA/DL at all.  I was simply trying to cutoff the inevitable argument that the reason the Def struggled was because of injuries and push that DL had a worse year (no matter how you look at it) than BA did.

"Last I checked, the offense' primary job is to score points"  As I stated with the exception of three games we scored enough points to win but the defense let us down.

The right time to fire BA was last year or the year before.  In these years our defense carried his sorry ass.  But not this year.

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« Reply #23 on: Jan 04, 2010 at 19:52 »

I also agree that Arians deserves a great deal of blame for the defensive 4th quarter woes all season as much as the defense.  case in point yesterday, 11 and change left in the game, the fins just capped off a 7 play, 61 yard, TD drive, we get the ball on the 20.  Arains thinks to himself, im going for all the marbles here and finishing off these guys once and FOR ALL!  calls for a deep pass that ends up with a 10 yard sack.  Next play conservative pass to ward for 6, then a short pass to Moore, then punts.  time off the clock: 1:23?Huh?Huh?  fucking asshole Bruce!

defense back on the field...3 plays, 62 yard TD drive by the phins in 1:15...geeze ya think the D had plenty of time to get their legs prior to that drive?

we get the ball at the 18 after our "return specialist" runs all over the place except north and south...

NOW here comes the ultra, i really fucked up previously, hoping to not lose yardage, conservative drive!

1st and 10 run up the gut for 2 yards
2nd/8 run up the gut for 1 yard
3rd/LONG ben sacked and fumbled.  Fucking asshole Bruce!

Luckily for the steelers Thigpen turned into a pumpkin finally and threw a stupid INT.  had he not, this game ends just like the KC and oak games ended.  big fat loss and all of us wondering what the hell happened.

Just like its a given that the very first offensive play of the day is a screen to ward for 2 yards, rest assured the same mentality will be on display in the 4th quarter as well.

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« Reply #24 on: Jan 04, 2010 at 21:13 »

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I know his style of play produces big-time payouts at times, but considerably more often than not, his insistence on throwing deep - or throwing period - kills us.

Have to wholeheartedly disgree here.  While I've stated on many occasions that I wish Ben would learn to take what's given at times, the fact of the matter is that his style pays off.  For proof look no further than his winning percentage.  Even with the year his brain was scrambled, I believe he has won more games in his first six seasons than anyone in history.  And, he's got two rings already.

What he needs to learn is time and place, on the field and on the clock.  Sometimes it's OK to take the FG or play field position.  But even if he never learns that, the truth is he gets results more often than not.  And it's his mentality all game that is the reason when it's the last drive of the game and we have to get points, most of the time we do.  Because he treats every drive as one where we have to get points, so the end of the game is no different.  All things considered, his style is more positive than negative.

And Jacksplat, not sure I'm following your argument.  Not an Arians fan either, but you criticize a drive when we're in the lead and we throw the ball and don't burn the clock.  Then you criticize a drive when we run the ball as being too conservative.  Not sure what the ideal play sequence is.
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« Reply #25 on: Jan 04, 2010 at 22:06 »

So if Thigpen threw a TD instead of a pic and then came back to win it 31-30 then it would be umm BA's fault, right?  Because had we scored more than 30 points we would have won, REALLY??  How about their third string quarterback makes our second string safety and first string corners look like they just came off the pop warner super star team.  No matter that the offense put us up by 14 points going into the fourth quarter.  No matter that the offense had two running backs run for over 95 yards.  No matter that Ben has one of his best days as a QB.  No matter that Heath has one of the best TE years of any, in recent memory.

As mentioned in a prior post I am not sure what Jack's point is on the play calling.  But if you want to beat up on BA on those two series what about the last time we have the ball?  Roethlisberger throws a five-yard completion to Ward and then another one for 13 yards. Then Parker gets them down to the eight-yard line with a 34-yard run. Reed kicks field goal, extending the lead to 30-24 with just 40 seconds to play.  BA made those calls as well.  Should we have gotten a TD?  YEP!!!  Should we have had the skill to stop a third string QB when we know he is going to throw?  FUCK YEP!!  Had Thigpen thrown a TD with 40 seconds on the clock and no time outs well then of course it would have been the Offensive Coordinators fault.  Because we didn't score more points!  WOW!!!

Why is no one calling for Ray Horton's head?  He is the defensive backs coach.  Him along with Larry Zierlein and Amos Jones should be strung up.  If you want to look at coaches that need to go away get these three out first.

Let's fix the defense first, special teams second and then take BA out and shoot him.  If our main foucs is on getting a new OC because the front office concludes he is the MAIN REASON for our failures then we can continue to look forward to 9-7 seasons or worst.
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« Reply #26 on: Jan 04, 2010 at 23:27 »

Arians to LeBeau = apples to lean ground beef.  Not even in the same category.

Sorry Tuscon, but LeBeau had a bad year.  Arians has had a bad career.  Let's look at the factors that have contributed to the defensive collapse, as they relate to BA:

1.  Failure to develop anything resembling a consistent running game (for three seasons)
2.  Throwing the ball the entire game, but going into a shell when a first down would basically seal the deal (a la Cincy #1)
3.  Ineptitude in the red zone (three seasons)
4.  Refusal to let Ben take full advantage of the no-huddle (three seasons)
5.  Failure to design and execute a screen pass to the running backs (three seasons)
6.  Refusal to make full use of the RBs in the passing game (three seasons--although this did improve in the last three weeks of this season)
7.  Failure to convince Ben to use more outlet throws--and failure to create more short/outlet routes for him to use
8.  Overall inconsistency in playcalling and decisions, particularly in the middle of games when the plays were not scripted or Ben wasn't "winging it"


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« Reply #28 on: Jan 05, 2010 at 09:22 »

The reasons why we did not make the playoffs are legion.  The general consensus on this board as to the main reason for our failure-- one Bruce Arians-- is well known to us all.  Suffice to say it is inexcusable for a team with a 4,000 yard passer, two 1,000 receivers, a 1,000 yard rusher and a tight end with 75+ catches to finish near the bottom third in the league in red zone efficiency, and 12th in overall scoring.  A telling metric is one I just invented: the differential between 1st downs and touchdowns.  We ranked 9th in total first downs, but only 14th in total touchdowns.  That tells me BA simply doesn't know what to do as the field shortens and the wide receiver screen is nullified by smaller corner cushions.  

  



This is the point I think alot of people aren't seeing. I don't really care how many 4000 yard passers or 1000 yard receivers we have. How much of that is basically due to our talent moving the ball between the 20s? If you put another QB at the helm, one perhaps with less playmaking ability, I'm sure our offensive numbers would take a major hit.

The fact is Bruce Arians is a major problem on this team. The offense has looked out-of-synch for the better part of 2 years. And the Super Bowl was won in spite of Arians, with Ben pulling rabbits out of his helmet all season. Fuck Bruce Arians.
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« Reply #30 on: Jan 05, 2010 at 11:02 »

So if Thigpen threw a TD instead of a pic and then came back to win it 31-30 then it would be umm BA's fault, right?

Refresh my memory.  How did the Dolphins get the ball with a shot to win the game?  Can't remember, but I seem to have visions of Joey Porter and that "tough hombre" fighting over a loose ball.  Not the offenses' fault though.  And then, of course, there was yet ANOTHER failed red zone possession that would have made it a two score game.  Not the offenses' fault though.  Good thing Ike "Pop Warner" Taylor got to bail out Sputterin' Bruce Arians.

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« Reply #31 on: Jan 05, 2010 at 11:52 »

I think our problems were legion, too. In large part, I think our problems involve personnel first, screwing up the important things, injuries third, coaching decisions/preperation fourth.

1. Personnel -

We have, for years, refused to invest money or draft picks in the O-Line or Secondary, and the results speak for themselves. Maybe if Tomlin hadn't opened his mouth in the spring of '07, we'd have Revis instead of Timmons on the roster, but whatever. It's hard to win with shitty talent, no matter how good the coaching might be. Mendy ended up getting one of the most worthless milestones in all of sports, but in truth, the run game was effing spotty, and that's because the O-Line was spotty, and, oh yeah, we have no effing FB on the roster.

2. Situational football - we could move the ball between the 20s, we could shut teams down for three quarters, but when it came time to put points on the board in critical situations, we were putrid. We also gave up kick returns for TDs in one close game after another. We also had turnovers at exactly the wrong time and place (see, especially, the KC game). Ben took sacks at the wrong time, over and over again (removing us from FG range in close games). On and on.

All this speaks to me of a team that may, if anything, have too many egotistical veterans on it who aren't responding to coaching. Or to shitty coaching. Whatever it is, the team looked undisciplined and unprepared and uncoordinated all year long.

3. Injuries -

We weren't as banged up as most other teams, but we lost the two best players on a defense with no depth.

4. Coaching - I don't blame LeBeau at all. I just don't. His track record speaks for itself, and I just don't think that all of a sudden he couldn't figure out what to do. Fact is, when defending the pass, we were like every bad pass defense: for adequate coverage on any given play, we'd have to concede the pass rush, and to get an adequate rush on any given play, we'd have to concede the personnel dedicated to coverage. In the 4th quarter, our pass rush tended to disappear, which was critical.

On offense, I'm not as up in arms about Arians as some other people. I think Arians is a capable offensive coordinator, but he's too pass-happy and our red zone stuff absolutely sucked this year (in spite of the fact that we seem not to be lacking in talent that can score TDs in a variety of ways). We also showed no ability to adjust or tweak the game plan when things weren't working (or we wouldn't hammer home some facet of the offense that was really working, like if Mendy was just busting all over the place in the 1st quarter, we'd abandon him for the rest of the game). In a lot of ways, our offense looked like the Bengals in '04 - '06. Sure, the stats for individuals looked great at the end of the year, but the record was mediocre.

I blame Tomlin for our approach on offense. If Arians is calling a pass-heavy scheme, it's Tomlin who's approved it, and his public comments have repeatedly made clear that he sees the offense as one that should be built around Ben.

I'd be happy to see Arians replaced, but if he comes back and Tomlin orders a more balanced game plan, I'd be fine with that, too. My preference, though, would be for an experienced OC to come in, someone who can get along with Ben but also take command of the scheme and coach Ben into a more disciplined player.
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« Reply #32 on: Jan 05, 2010 at 12:09 »

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How myopic.
 

Perhaps.  But not nearly as asinine as your assertion that Ben is--how did you say it--"Dumb as shit?"  Methinks that's a bit overstated.

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Roethlisberger is clearly a winner, but he doesn't do much - nay, anything - to minimize injury risk. You don't see those guys take many hits. You don't see those guys with headline-grabbing amounts of concussions.


I prefer that we don't have a quarterback who thinks about this.  Throwing the ball away to avoid a loss of yardage?  Yes.  Settling for the check down rather than the bomb?  Yes.  Those are important to the team.  But Ben's willingness to play with reckless abandon at times has resulted in FAR more positives than negatives.  My point is that the rings on his finger and the trophies in the case are pretty strong evidence of that.
 
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Any objective Steelers fan will tell you that Roethlisberger makes many unwise decisions throughout the course of a season, which result in yardage losses and sometimes, his absense (sp?).


Again, Ben's shenanigans result in more positives than negatives.  And what do you expect from a guy with a mediocre offensive line and a sorry OC?  Ben causes many sacks, but there are still times when he's getting run at for the snap; and plenty of others where he works his way out of trouble to make a play. 

Also, just how much time has Ben actually missed over the last six years that were the result of something he did?  Very little.  Even this year's consussion was more of a freak play.   

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And lastly, at this point in their respective careers, I'm sorry, but Peyton and Brees - from a mechanical and game management perspective - are head and shoulders above Roethlisberger, IMO.


Perhaps, but this is what I don't understand.  You mention Brees, Manning and Rivers.  None of whom has Ben's winning % in the playoffs.  None of whom has as many rings.  Hell, two of them have never even BEEN to the Super Bowl, and may not make it this year.  They all have monumentally better offensive lines and equal/greater talent around them.  Yet, you're complaining because Ben is not a good enough "game manager?"  Thanks, but no thanks.  I'll take the guy who can make things happen and gets the rings.  Complaining about Ben, IMO, is kind of like winning the PowerBall and complaining about the taxes on your 80 million. 

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I love Roethlisberger, but he could be a million times better with some minor adjustments between the ears and more humility.

Don't disagree with this at all, especially the part about Ben's humility.  All QBs need to make adjustments throughout their careers if they want to keep winning.  I've always been under the impression that Ben is kind of an arrogant ass, and losing some of that attitude might help the few flaws that he has in his game.
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his arrogance and constant preening and dramatics are beginning to wear thin.  All day yesterday Dierdorf called him "one tough hombre" but I don't see him as any tougher than #86, or #92, or #25, exempli grati.  I get the feeling he would rather be Favre than Montana, and I don't mean that as a positive comparison, either. 

Again, I would agree with this point.  Ben is pretty tough, in a strange, prima dona-ish sort of way, but he tries way too hard to look the part.  Just get up and go back to the huddle and wipe the friggin' pained expression off your face.  And dude, get a haircut.

Off the subject a little, but I can't believe Dingledorf still has a job as an NFL broadcaster.  He is an absolute moron.  He spent whatever credibility he had left in 2001, when we were playing the Ravens in Pittsburgh, and he compared Krodel Seward to Joe Montana and John Elway.  Yes, folks, he said it, and I heard it.
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And lastly, at this point in their respective careers, I'm sorry, but Peyton and Brees - from a mechanical and game management perspective - are head and shoulders above Roethlisberger, IMO.


Perhaps, but this is what I don't understand.  You mention Brees, Manning and Rivers.  None of whom has Ben's winning % in the playoffs.  None of whom has as many rings.  Hell, two of them have never even BEEN to the Super Bowl, and may not make it this year.  They all have monumentally better offensive lines and equal/greater talent around them.  Yet, you're complaining because Ben is not a good enough "game manager?"  Thanks, but no thanks.  I'll take the guy who can make things happen and gets the rings.  Complaining about Ben, IMO, is kind of like winning the PowerBall and complaining about the taxes on your 80 million. 

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I love Roethlisberger, but he could be a million times better with some minor adjustments between the ears and more humility.

Don't disagree with this at all, especially the part about Ben's humility.  All QBs need to make adjustments throughout their careers if they want to keep winning.  I've always been under the impression that Ben is kind of an arrogant ass, and losing some of that attitude might help the few flaws that he has in his game.

My point in mentioning those three (and Brady, though, admittedly, I don't pay much attention to him) is that all of them get rid of the ball instead of taking a hit. It damn near looks like intentional grounding, but each has the presence of mind to realize he's out of the tackle box and throw the ball directly at the  line of scrimmage.

Since the first couple of college games of Ben's that I watched, I knew he was a helluva player. However, and disappointingly, he has never given me the feeling that he's going to help the Steelers by making a smart play. After all of these years, I thought that part of his game would progress by this point, but unfortunately, it hasn't.

FWIW, I thought Ben was at his best - to some extent - his rookie and second season (granted, he had a solid running game to lean on). That's when he was passing approximately 15 - 21 times per game and making plays with his feet from time to time. That's when this team was much more balanced. With limited passing attempts, he seems to take greater advantage per opportunity. As he passes more, he seems to get more and more careless and takes on the "all or nothing" persona.

With such a shitty OL, I really do think Ben would serve the team well by using his feet more often. He's fleet of foot, strong and that would disallow pass rushers to essentially run downhill at will, as they so often do now.

And just to reiterate, I don't blame this season's woes on Ben one iota (well, in the Cincinnati game at Heinz it looked like he threw some egregiously errant passes...plus, I couldn't watch a few other games due to travel, so I don't know how he looked in those contests). And I do know how lucky we are to have him. I guess what I'm hoping for is the comfort that fans of those other guys probably have in regard to being assured that the respective guy is going to be QB'ing the team week in and week out and from year to year for many years, and they're going to remain pretty steady along the way. But then those fans would probably like our Super Bowl rings.
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