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« Reply #20 on: Jan 04, 2010 at 16:52 »

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BY FAR the main reason for our failure this year is our defense. 

Undoubtedly defense was a problem this season-- note carefully the first line of my post, that the problems were many.  But to counter your point, the offense at times put undo pressure on the defense by failing to possess the ball sufficiently to rest the D.  In other words, whatever "identity" our offense had (damn little identity it was too, when BA's idea of a running play is the wide receiver screen)did not mesh at all well with what the D could do well.

Also, there is no way you can compare the impact of the defense's injuries to that of the offense.  The D lost the two most important players schematically; the Offense would have had to lose Ben for 11 games and Ward for 12 to compare.  So that argument holds no water.

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Sweed was supposed to be the third receiver.  BA deserves all the blame on his remarkably stupid play calling but you have to give the idiot some of the kudos for getting 1,000 yards out of a "rookie" back, 4,000 yards out of a QB and enough insight to see Wallace as something special.

Last I checked, the offense' primary job is to score points, not rack up yards.  As far as the "insight" on Wallace, everybody knows there was no one else to take Sweed's place.  We're damned lucky Wallace worked out, and it has nothing to do with Arians' insight or WTFever.

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How can we have a first rounder not contribute more?

We all knew Hood was not going to be an immediate contributor.  End in the 3-4 is one of the most difficult positions on the field to play.  Again, we knew this when we drafted him.

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If you give BA an "F" for the year, what do you give DickL? 

I give LeBeau a C.  Although for you to compare Arians to LeBeau is patently absurd-- has Arians ever produced a #1 offense?

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Was BA or the offense our biggest problem this year??  Nothing points in that direction.

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« Reply #21 on: Jan 04, 2010 at 17:32 »

How many leads did the D give up in the 4th quarter?

How many times did the O fail to get a TD in the RZ?

Arians and Lebeau both had many low moments this past season.  As long as Lebeau doesn't retire, both will be back next year.
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« Reply #22 on: Jan 04, 2010 at 17:46 »

My point is simply that BA was not the main reason for our failures this year.  I would go as far as saying they were the least of the contributors to our record!  Our defense and special teams contributed to our record more than our OC.  The same way that our defense contributed more to our super bowl season that our offense did.  I have no idea what you mean when you say our offensive "identity" did not mesh with what the D could do well???  If you mean by that, had BA come up with an executable game plan which would result in the offense holding onto the ball for the entire fourth quarter, then I do understand what you are talking about.  Had BA been able to come up with that approach we would be playing in the playoffs.

I am not comparing off/def injuries or BA/DL at all.  I was simply trying to cutoff the inevitable argument that the reason the Def struggled was because of injuries and push that DL had a worse year (no matter how you look at it) than BA did.

"Last I checked, the offense' primary job is to score points"  As I stated with the exception of three games we scored enough points to win but the defense let us down.

The right time to fire BA was last year or the year before.  In these years our defense carried his sorry ass.  But not this year.

Okay my head is back in the sand.
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« Reply #23 on: Jan 04, 2010 at 19:52 »

I also agree that Arians deserves a great deal of blame for the defensive 4th quarter woes all season as much as the defense.  case in point yesterday, 11 and change left in the game, the fins just capped off a 7 play, 61 yard, TD drive, we get the ball on the 20.  Arains thinks to himself, im going for all the marbles here and finishing off these guys once and FOR ALL!  calls for a deep pass that ends up with a 10 yard sack.  Next play conservative pass to ward for 6, then a short pass to Moore, then punts.  time off the clock: 1:23?Huh?Huh?  fucking asshole Bruce!

defense back on the field...3 plays, 62 yard TD drive by the phins in 1:15...geeze ya think the D had plenty of time to get their legs prior to that drive?

we get the ball at the 18 after our "return specialist" runs all over the place except north and south...

NOW here comes the ultra, i really fucked up previously, hoping to not lose yardage, conservative drive!

1st and 10 run up the gut for 2 yards
2nd/8 run up the gut for 1 yard
3rd/LONG ben sacked and fumbled.  Fucking asshole Bruce!

Luckily for the steelers Thigpen turned into a pumpkin finally and threw a stupid INT.  had he not, this game ends just like the KC and oak games ended.  big fat loss and all of us wondering what the hell happened.

Just like its a given that the very first offensive play of the day is a screen to ward for 2 yards, rest assured the same mentality will be on display in the 4th quarter as well.

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« Reply #24 on: Jan 04, 2010 at 21:13 »

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I know his style of play produces big-time payouts at times, but considerably more often than not, his insistence on throwing deep - or throwing period - kills us.

Have to wholeheartedly disgree here.  While I've stated on many occasions that I wish Ben would learn to take what's given at times, the fact of the matter is that his style pays off.  For proof look no further than his winning percentage.  Even with the year his brain was scrambled, I believe he has won more games in his first six seasons than anyone in history.  And, he's got two rings already.

What he needs to learn is time and place, on the field and on the clock.  Sometimes it's OK to take the FG or play field position.  But even if he never learns that, the truth is he gets results more often than not.  And it's his mentality all game that is the reason when it's the last drive of the game and we have to get points, most of the time we do.  Because he treats every drive as one where we have to get points, so the end of the game is no different.  All things considered, his style is more positive than negative.

And Jacksplat, not sure I'm following your argument.  Not an Arians fan either, but you criticize a drive when we're in the lead and we throw the ball and don't burn the clock.  Then you criticize a drive when we run the ball as being too conservative.  Not sure what the ideal play sequence is.
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« Reply #25 on: Jan 04, 2010 at 22:06 »

So if Thigpen threw a TD instead of a pic and then came back to win it 31-30 then it would be umm BA's fault, right?  Because had we scored more than 30 points we would have won, REALLY??  How about their third string quarterback makes our second string safety and first string corners look like they just came off the pop warner super star team.  No matter that the offense put us up by 14 points going into the fourth quarter.  No matter that the offense had two running backs run for over 95 yards.  No matter that Ben has one of his best days as a QB.  No matter that Heath has one of the best TE years of any, in recent memory.

As mentioned in a prior post I am not sure what Jack's point is on the play calling.  But if you want to beat up on BA on those two series what about the last time we have the ball?  Roethlisberger throws a five-yard completion to Ward and then another one for 13 yards. Then Parker gets them down to the eight-yard line with a 34-yard run. Reed kicks field goal, extending the lead to 30-24 with just 40 seconds to play.  BA made those calls as well.  Should we have gotten a TD?  YEP!!!  Should we have had the skill to stop a third string QB when we know he is going to throw?  FUCK YEP!!  Had Thigpen thrown a TD with 40 seconds on the clock and no time outs well then of course it would have been the Offensive Coordinators fault.  Because we didn't score more points!  WOW!!!

Why is no one calling for Ray Horton's head?  He is the defensive backs coach.  Him along with Larry Zierlein and Amos Jones should be strung up.  If you want to look at coaches that need to go away get these three out first.

Let's fix the defense first, special teams second and then take BA out and shoot him.  If our main foucs is on getting a new OC because the front office concludes he is the MAIN REASON for our failures then we can continue to look forward to 9-7 seasons or worst.
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« Reply #26 on: Jan 04, 2010 at 23:27 »

Arians to LeBeau = apples to lean ground beef.  Not even in the same category.

Sorry Tuscon, but LeBeau had a bad year.  Arians has had a bad career.  Let's look at the factors that have contributed to the defensive collapse, as they relate to BA:

1.  Failure to develop anything resembling a consistent running game (for three seasons)
2.  Throwing the ball the entire game, but going into a shell when a first down would basically seal the deal (a la Cincy #1)
3.  Ineptitude in the red zone (three seasons)
4.  Refusal to let Ben take full advantage of the no-huddle (three seasons)
5.  Failure to design and execute a screen pass to the running backs (three seasons)
6.  Refusal to make full use of the RBs in the passing game (three seasons--although this did improve in the last three weeks of this season)
7.  Failure to convince Ben to use more outlet throws--and failure to create more short/outlet routes for him to use
8.  Overall inconsistency in playcalling and decisions, particularly in the middle of games when the plays were not scripted or Ben wasn't "winging it"


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« Reply #27 on: Jan 05, 2010 at 09:11 »

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« Reply #28 on: Jan 05, 2010 at 09:22 »

The reasons why we did not make the playoffs are legion.  The general consensus on this board as to the main reason for our failure-- one Bruce Arians-- is well known to us all.  Suffice to say it is inexcusable for a team with a 4,000 yard passer, two 1,000 receivers, a 1,000 yard rusher and a tight end with 75+ catches to finish near the bottom third in the league in red zone efficiency, and 12th in overall scoring.  A telling metric is one I just invented: the differential between 1st downs and touchdowns.  We ranked 9th in total first downs, but only 14th in total touchdowns.  That tells me BA simply doesn't know what to do as the field shortens and the wide receiver screen is nullified by smaller corner cushions.  

  



This is the point I think alot of people aren't seeing. I don't really care how many 4000 yard passers or 1000 yard receivers we have. How much of that is basically due to our talent moving the ball between the 20s? If you put another QB at the helm, one perhaps with less playmaking ability, I'm sure our offensive numbers would take a major hit.

The fact is Bruce Arians is a major problem on this team. The offense has looked out-of-synch for the better part of 2 years. And the Super Bowl was won in spite of Arians, with Ben pulling rabbits out of his helmet all season. Fuck Bruce Arians.
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« Reply #29 on: Jan 05, 2010 at 09:38 »



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