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« on: Mar 08, 2010 at 17:19 »

Okay, poor choice of title considering the circumstances.  Just referring to the hiring of Ray's lawyer.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4976276

I would ask LC to weigh in on this.  It seems to me that the hiring of a high-profile defense lawyer is a bad sign.  Would this indicate that Ben thinks this COULD turn into a criminal charge; or is this just standard procedure when police are involved?

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« Reply #1 on: Mar 08, 2010 at 17:49 »

Well, I've been flaming Ben for either getting himself into a crazy situation if he's innocent or being a rapist, but if I was looking at 2-5 years (Assuming it's a low level sexual assault charge, not a higher one), then I'd get myself the best lawyer I could find. I hate lawyers....unless I'm the one who needs one.
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« Reply #2 on: Mar 08, 2010 at 21:06 »

Personally, I think BV's post says it best:
Like Chris Rock says...." 'well if you hire a high profile attorney, you're going to look guilty.' Yeah, but you're going home. You want to look innocent in jail? I'd rather look guilty at the mall."

If you have the money and you're looking at any type of felony charge, you hire the best damned attorney you can afford, especially if he has a proven track record.
As I said on another thread, if I had Ben's money, I'd go to New Orleans, hire a voodoo priestess and bring Johnnie Cochran back from the dead.

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« Reply #3 on: Mar 08, 2010 at 21:26 »

Well, I've been flaming Ben for either getting himself into a crazy situation if he's innocent or being a rapist, but if I was looking at 2-5 years (Assuming it's a low level sexual assault charge, not a higher one), then I'd get myself the best lawyer I could find. I hate lawyers....unless I'm the one who needs one.

Oh, and from looking at the GA code, it would be not less than one and not more than 5 years, if convicted.

Another thing - they let him leave the state.  That doesn't often happen, if they have fairly credible evidence of a felony.  I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but....
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« Reply #4 on: Mar 08, 2010 at 21:28 »

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If you have the money...

You keep one chick on the payroll who is responsible for filming every carnal act.
And just order up your quim, Charlie Sheen style.

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« Reply #5 on: Mar 09, 2010 at 06:55 »

FWIW Lester Munson was on M&M and said he does not think it will be a "he said-she said" type of case, that it will have a definitive direction, and that direction will be known pretty quickly based upon forensic evidence, possibly by this Friday.
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« Reply #6 on: Mar 09, 2010 at 08:16 »

I saw that this morning too.  Sounds like the league could get involved, regardless of how minor any charge is, and DEM CHEEPEAZZ RONEYS are pissed.

Big picture, Garland (Ben's lawyer) says Ben is innocent and no sex asault ocurred.  Case closed.
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« Reply #7 on: Mar 09, 2010 at 08:34 »

I know there's a lot of smoke here, but I still want to know: where's the fire?  If Ben was just partying and there was NO actual assault, WTF is the league going to do? 

I can understand the Rooneys wanting Ben to minimize his exposure in potentially damaging situations, i.e., "trawling for sluts."  But the fact is, he's 28 years old, he's not married, if the accusations are bogus then he hasn't broken any laws...  We're asking players to make lifestyle choices... to the point that we can tell them not to go to nightclubs? 

BTW, Colin Cowherd is an ass-flap, and Mike Wilbon has been the most sensible commentator out there.  Basically: we don't know enough yet to burn BBR at the stake.  Maybe he is playing a bit reckless, but don't most NFLers do what Ben is doing in the off-season? 

All contingent on the charges being false, of course.
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« Reply #8 on: Mar 09, 2010 at 10:03 »

I know there's a lot of smoke here, but I still want to know: where's the fire?  If Ben was just partying and there was NO actual assault, WTF is the league going to do? 

I can understand the Rooneys wanting Ben to minimize his exposure in potentially damaging situations, i.e., "trawling for sluts."  But the fact is, he's 28 years old, he's not married, if the accusations are bogus then he hasn't broken any laws...  We're asking players to make lifestyle choices... to the point that we can tell them not to go to nightclubs? 

BTW, Colin Cowherd is an ass-flap, and Mike Wilbon has been the most sensible commentator out there.  Basically: we don't know enough yet to burn BBR at the stake.  Maybe he is playing a bit reckless, but don't most NFLers do what Ben is doing in the off-season? 

All contingent on the charges being false, of course.

Thanks for that Finny.
That's what I've been trying to say as well, though less clearly, obviously.

And I don't think it's just most NFLers who do it in the off-season.  It's what most single men do most of the time!
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« Reply #9 on: Mar 09, 2010 at 13:28 »


I know there's a lot of smoke here, but I still want to know: where's the fire?  If Ben was just partying and there was NO actual assault, WTF is the league going to do? 

I can understand the Rooneys wanting Ben to minimize his exposure in potentially damaging situations, i.e., "trawling for sluts."  But the fact is, he's 28 years old, he's not married, if the accusations are bogus then he hasn't broken any laws...  We're asking players to make lifestyle choices... to the point that we can tell them not to go to nightclubs? 

BTW, Colin Cowherd is an ass-flap, and Mike Wilbon has been the most sensible commentator out there.  Basically: we don't know enough yet to burn BBR at the stake.  Maybe he is playing a bit reckless, but don't most NFLers do what Ben is doing in the off-season? 

All contingent on the charges being false, of course.

Thanks for that Finny.
That's what I've been trying to say as well, though less clearly, obviously.

And I don't think it's just most NFLers who do it in the off-season.  It's what most single men do most of the time!

Exactly... although I think you could amend that to be most single men and some married men (ahem... Tiger)! Assuming he's innocent... it would seem that Ben just isn't very good at the "wham, bam, thank you, ma'am" and ends up royally pissing off these women after he gets what he wants.
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« Reply #10 on: Mar 09, 2010 at 13:57 »

I know there's a lot of smoke here, but I still want to know: where's the fire?  If Ben was just partying and there was NO actual assault, WTF is the league going to do? 

I can understand the Rooneys wanting Ben to minimize his exposure in potentially damaging situations, i.e., "trawling for sluts."  But the fact is, he's 28 years old, he's not married, if the accusations are bogus then he hasn't broken any laws...  We're asking players to make lifestyle choices... to the point that we can tell them not to go to nightclubs? 

BTW, Colin Cowherd is an ass-flap, and Mike Wilbon has been the most sensible commentator out there.  Basically: we don't know enough yet to burn BBR at the stake.  Maybe he is playing a bit reckless, but don't most NFLers do what Ben is doing in the off-season? 

All contingent on the charges being false, of course.

What did Cowturd say?

God, I have scorching case of Ben saga burnout, but I still come to these threads, looking for....something. Anything.
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« Reply #11 on: Mar 09, 2010 at 15:09 »

Cowherd: Ben is stupid x ?.

If Wilbon's rational and measured response represents one side of the collective Steeler unconsciousness' brain, then Cowherd's shrill overreaction represents the other, the emotional response before anyone knows what the fuck is what.  It wasn't so much what he said as how he said it.  OK, we know Ben's not the most astute guy in terms of not putting himself into potentially toxic situations, but...

Cowherd  has one of the most whiny ass bitch voices the world has ever known, and his method of getting to the point is to keep anteing the most wretched bits of minutiae and subjective swill in an attempt to make disconnected sound bites form a Grand Inquisitor's argument.  

Wilbon's take was that Ben being out at a club is normal behavior for a guy his age, and we can't assume he actually did what was alleged without all the facts.  Cowherd's argument, as best I can reconstruct it, went something like this:

1. Anyone with any measure of success, or for that matter, anyone who is employed, would not go to a nightclub.  Such a person would go to a lounge.  The term lounge was never differentiated by Cowherd from the term nightclub
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« Reply #12 on: Mar 09, 2010 at 15:24 »

Cowherd.  Looks like:



Sounds like:

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« Reply #13 on: Mar 09, 2010 at 19:21 »

Man that guy is fucking weird looking!
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« Reply #14 on: Mar 09, 2010 at 20:09 »

Looks like Jim Breuer & Joe Buck had an ass kid.

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« Reply #15 on: Mar 10, 2010 at 11:27 »

In short, this is standard.  Cowherd is a douchenozzle Washington~ite that still hasn't gotten over XL and as a result, hates everything Steeler.

At this point, I think I'm more concerned about what Goodell might do than I am about BR being convicted of anything.  Then again, that opinion might change when we find out...you know, what actually happened.
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