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« on: Mar 12, 2010 at 08:33 »

Sounds a little like piling on, but here it is...

http://justwatchthegame.com/blog/just-watch-the-game-blog
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« Reply #1 on: Mar 12, 2010 at 09:01 »

Full disclosure, my son is named after Ben so this hits close to home, but I agree.  

If this stuff is true (and it might be) then write it after he wins the Super Bowl and everyone in the 'Burgh is fluffing Ben (maybe a bad choice of words but I am going with it.)  To wait until public opinion is turning or waning, just looks like piling on and I don't have a lot of respect for that.  

I named my son Benjamin Bradshaw because of the accomplishments of those men on the football field not because they were saints so I don't feel the pinch on it just yet.  Maybe I will...  

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« Reply #2 on: Mar 12, 2010 at 09:56 »

That blog sounds like drunken ramblings to me.  Blah blah blah Steigerwald.  Ben needs to be taken down a peg?  Whatevs.  Is it any surprise that young millionaire athletes might be a bit cocky?  That any humility shown is merely a practiced response?  Steigerwald acts like he just found out that the Tooth Fairy ain't real.
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« Reply #3 on: Mar 12, 2010 at 10:05 »

Yeah, let's burn Ben at the stake while we're at it.

Then, after we find out a few facts about the case, we can decide if it was a good idea.

Steigerwald sounds like a fuckin' douche.  I skimmed a few choice words and was done with it.
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« Reply #4 on: Mar 12, 2010 at 12:52 »

This is a pretty interesting read on the subject.  Sounds like the odds are not in Ben's favor. 


http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/03/11/big-bens-in-more-trouble-than-you-think/
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« Reply #5 on: Mar 12, 2010 at 13:46 »

This is a pretty interesting read on the subject.  Sounds like the odds are not in Ben's favor. 


http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/03/11/big-bens-in-more-trouble-than-you-think/


Saw that.

I found his argument... unconvincing at best.  He's a lawyer?  And he doesn't really seem to discuss the case per se, moreso the setting and tactics. 

I dunno, call me old fashioned.  I still prefer things like... what actually happened... the way those facts will be interpreted under the law... etc.

This guy makes the whole thing sound like who can throw on more window dressing.
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« Reply #6 on: Mar 12, 2010 at 14:24 »

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Who?

Exactly.
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« Reply #7 on: Mar 12, 2010 at 14:42 »

This is a pretty interesting read on the subject.  Sounds like the odds are not in Ben's favor. 


http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/03/11/big-bens-in-more-trouble-than-you-think/


Saw that.

I found his argument... unconvincing at best.  He's a lawyer?  And he doesn't really seem to discuss the case per se, moreso the setting and tactics. 

I dunno, call me old fashioned.  I still prefer things like... what actually happened... the way those facts will be interpreted under the law... etc.

This guy makes the whole thing sound like who can throw on more window dressing.


So he's a lawyer.  So am I.
Unless I'm the prosecutor, my opinion on whether charges will be brought ultimately mean nothing!

I'm with you Finny.  Facts are what mean something.
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« Reply #8 on: Mar 12, 2010 at 15:18 »

This is a pretty interesting read on the subject.  Sounds like the odds are not in Ben's favor. 


http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/03/11/big-bens-in-more-trouble-than-you-think/


Saw that.

I found his argument... unconvincing at best.  He's a lawyer?  And he doesn't really seem to discuss the case per se, moreso the setting and tactics. 

I dunno, call me old fashioned.  I still prefer things like... what actually happened... the way those facts will be interpreted under the law... etc.

This guy makes the whole thing sound like who can throw on more window dressing.


So he's a lawyer.  So am I.
Unless I'm the prosecutor, my opinion on whether charges will be brought ultimately mean nothing!

I'm with you Finny.  Facts are what mean something.


Sheesh, they must give those dang law degrees to any damned body...   blob8
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« Reply #9 on: Mar 12, 2010 at 15:50 »

I agree with you guys, I will wait until all of the facts are known.  I just found the article interesting.  Maybe that guy has watched way too much Law and Order SVU.
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« Reply #10 on: Mar 12, 2010 at 15:57 »

This is a pretty interesting read on the subject.  Sounds like the odds are not in Ben's favor. 


http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/03/11/big-bens-in-more-trouble-than-you-think/


Saw that.

I found his argument... unconvincing at best.  He's a lawyer?  And he doesn't really seem to discuss the case per se, moreso the setting and tactics. 

I dunno, call me old fashioned.  I still prefer things like... what actually happened... the way those facts will be interpreted under the law... etc.

This guy makes the whole thing sound like who can throw on more window dressing.


So he's a lawyer.  So am I.
Unless I'm the prosecutor, my opinion on whether charges will be brought ultimately mean nothing!

I'm with you Finny.  Facts are what mean something.


Sheesh, they must give those dang law degrees to any damned body...   blob8


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« Reply #11 on: Mar 12, 2010 at 19:59 »

Initial article/story on Make-a-Wish could be bogus, could be real.  But the weight of the evidence does seem to indicate that Ben ain't winning any humanitarian awards anytime soon. 

I'll root as much as ever when he's on the field, but in retrospect I'm glad that when we were getting a Fathead for my son's room a few years back, he chose #43.
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« Reply #12 on: Mar 13, 2010 at 14:06 »

Agree on many points made in the blog, article, and on the board.  Let me try to summarize my thoughts:


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Roethlisberger is a punk who needs to be knocked down a peg or two.

I would have to agree with this.  Sorry, but it happens to many in positions of wealth, status, and/or power.  A suspension might actually be the best thing for Ben, IMO.  Not great for the team's record, but perhaps good for Ben. 


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Is it any surprise that young millionaire athletes might be a bit cocky?  That any humility shown is merely a practiced response?

Yes...but that does not mean that the Steelers should endorse that attitude or behavior.  And eventually, jackasses usually get it where they've been stickin' it, and I'd rather see Ben have an adjustment before he causes himself and the team permanent problems.


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Saw that.

I found his argument... unconvincing at best.  He's a lawyer?  And he doesn't really seem to discuss the case per se, moreso the setting and tactics. 

I dunno, call me old fashioned.  I still prefer things like... what actually happened... the way those facts will be interpreted under the law... etc.

This guy makes the whole thing sound like who can throw on more window dressing.

Again, the article may be based on legal knowledge, but he's speculating more than Jack McCoy does.  It's a guessing game that could happen, but who knows?

On the other hand, he is right that it looks as if this thing is not going to clear up quickly on either side.  EVERYONE has lawyered up; and I would not be shocked to hear that photo op cop tries to get one as well.  Sorry to offend, LC, but once the lawyers get involved, you're looking at a long, drawn-out process.

This guy is offering a legal analysis, but very few facts.


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Steigerwald acts like he just found out that the Tooth Fairy ain't real.

And there is the problem.

We've all heard the implications that Ben thinks his s*** doesn't stink.  I've read posts and heard rumors and listened to commentators that implied Ben loves to bend over and kiss his own arse.  We've speculated about this on this very board.  I have no firsthand knowledge, but I've seen behaviors and attitudes that have made me think it may be the case.

I believe that the incident in GA backs up my speculation.  But again, I was not there and I have yet to hear anything that I could call a "fact" about what actually happened. 

As Puma mentions, sounds like "piling on" when you can get away with it.  Why was no one pursuing this as a story on Jan. 8, 2009 if there was any truth to it?  Why the speculation about Ben hitting the chronic or some other substance?  If Steigerwald is a "journalist" then why did he ignore this until he got a blog?

Blogs are designed to be strictly opinion, and they have absolutely no boundaries.  My beef is that these are not opinions so much as they are insinuations.  Steigs HINTS that he has facts but doesn't produce any real ones.  If you think Ben is a jackass, then just leave it at that. 

I guess I'm just kind of in the middle on all of this.  Glad I could clear that up.


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« Reply #13 on: Mar 13, 2010 at 19:37 »

Sorry to offend, LC, but once the lawyers get involved, you're looking at a long, drawn-out process.

No offense taken.  It's what we do.  We call it billable hours...
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« Reply #14 on: Mar 14, 2010 at 19:44 »

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« Reply #15 on: Mar 15, 2010 at 09:10 »

This Steigerwald guy is a fucking tool.  Check this more recent entry: 

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« Reply #16 on: Mar 15, 2010 at 09:40 »

You go to Latrobe, you're not getting Ben's signature on a jersey.  Is he aloof?  Unapproachable?  A snot? 

Well, you didn't get Bettis's sig, either.  And I seem to recall Bettis being accused of some sexual assualt once upon a time.  Anyone remember how that turned out?

I'm trying to figure out where all the pent-up Ben hatred comes from, and I think it's rampant constipation resulting shit backup and copremia.  Little bits of turds work their way into the bloodstream and are carried into people's brains, where they set up turd parties with other turd flecks and wait until something bad happens to one of the most famous players in the sport.  Then, they can feel better about being shitheads by listening to the shit in their heads spout forth all their shitty little shithead ideas about whatever the fuck pieces of shit living in your brain froth and stew about in anger and envy.

Let's just say, for example, that Ben winds up being innocent of the worst of all this in both cases, some borderline bad judgement about situations and exposure notwithstanding.  Are we allowed to duct tape Steigerwald to the pavement and run over him with a steamroller?  Can we then peel up the bits of Steigerwald jerky and feed them to gulls, and sing Pearl Jam songs in pig Latin?  Are these things not fair and sensible?
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« Reply #17 on: Mar 15, 2010 at 10:05 »

Fair and sensible?  Yeah, verily.  Fair and balanced?  Hell yes.  Fairly imbalanced?  Whatchoo talking 'bout, Willis?
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« Reply #18 on: Mar 15, 2010 at 11:48 »

Back to this Make-A-Wish kid thing... who's to say that the family of the kid didn't get led on by someone claiming to be from the Make-A-Wish organization and Ben was never formally notified from the organization about someone wanting to meet him as their dying wish. Or not even anything as devious as that... what if the person at MAW couldn't set up the meeting with Ben and to save face for the organization and his or herself they put the blame back on Ben.

You can't believe everything one person tells you especially in an email where you can't read a person's face and body language to help you determine if they're lying.

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« Reply #19 on: Mar 15, 2010 at 15:02 »

No matter how flat you make a pancake it always has two sides.

Technically it has to have three sides.  A two-sided pancake is an impossibilty in a 3-dimensional universe.  So there's her side, ben's side, and steigerwald's side, which I guess must be thought of as the edge giving the pancake its third dimension, depth, and therefore plausibility in this time-space continuum. 
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« Reply #20 on: Mar 15, 2010 at 17:31 »

No matter how flat you make a pancake it always has two sides.

Technically it has to have three sides.  A two-sided pancake is an impossibilty in a 3-dimensional universe.  So there's her side, ben's side, and steigerwald's side, which I guess must be thought of as the edge giving the pancake its third dimension, depth, and therefore plausibility in this time-space continuum. 

You're kind of an asshole, Pens.
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« Reply #21 on: Mar 15, 2010 at 18:10 »


You're kind of an asshole, Pens.

And here I was thinking you would raise the implications of a theoretically possible moebius-pancake.
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« Reply #22 on: Mar 16, 2010 at 07:21 »


You're kind of an asshole, Pens.

Interesting.

If you think of the human digestive tube as continuous, and contiguous to the exterior at the mouth and arse, we're all one-sided asshole doughnuts, basically.
And here I was thinking you would raise the implications of a theoretically possible moebius-pancake.
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« Reply #23 on: Mar 16, 2010 at 08:52 »


Interesting.

If you think of the human digestive tube as continuous, and contiguous to the exterior at the mouth and arse, we're all one-sided asshole doughnuts, basically.

Did I ever tell you the one about the asshole that learned to talk?
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« Reply #24 on: Mar 16, 2010 at 09:30 »


Interesting.

If you think of the human digestive tube as continuous, and contiguous to the exterior at the mouth and arse, we're all one-sided asshole doughnuts, basically.

Did I ever tell you the one about the asshole that learned to talk?

Were you at a nudist mid-day eatery?
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« Reply #25 on: Mar 16, 2010 at 09:47 »


Interesting.

If you think of the human digestive tube as continuous, and contiguous to the exterior at the mouth and arse, we're all one-sided asshole doughnuts, basically.

Did I ever tell you the one about the asshole that learned to talk?

Were you at a nudist mid-day eatery?

Nah, just had an appointment with Dr. Benway.
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« Reply #26 on: Mar 16, 2010 at 11:01 »

I tried to eat a Moebius pancake once but got full before I got to the other side.
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« Reply #27 on: Mar 16, 2010 at 11:26 »

Otis wants to see the Moebius strippers.
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« Reply #28 on: Mar 16, 2010 at 11:57 »

Otis wants to see the Moebius strippers.

That's nothing, you should see the Moebius Mimes
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« Reply #29 on: Mar 16, 2010 at 19:49 »

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