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« on: Nov 15, 2010 at 10:15 »

The Patriots should be getting huge fines from the NFL for helmet-to-helmet hits!

Oh wait, it's the Patriots.  Can't fine the Messianic Organization of Goodell (MOG).
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« Reply #1 on: Nov 15, 2010 at 11:33 »

Yep. I'm also assuming Favre's "investigation" will be dragged out until the end of the season at which time he will conviniently retire. No way they suspend him during the year.

Which begs the question, what is more of a violation of personal conduct? A single guy in his 20s hooking up in a bathroom or a married man in his 40s sending text messages behind his wife's back, not to mention the possibility of sending pictures of his wang.


Double. Standard.
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« Reply #2 on: Nov 15, 2010 at 12:38 »

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Double. Standard.

Saw it all night last night.  The late hit on Ben, two helmet-to-helmet shots without penalty, etc.

Certainly these did not cost us the game.  But it's still infuriating.
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« Reply #3 on: Nov 15, 2010 at 12:44 »

I know he was not in the wrong, but I swear Harrison's comments about "wanting to put people out of the game" after the Brown's game has put the whole defense under the microscope. Add that to the hardon the league already has for them because of the Ben situation and you get what we've seen this season.

The Commish hates Ward as well, so I suspect there will be no fine.
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« Reply #4 on: Nov 16, 2010 at 09:02 »

I know he was not in the wrong, but I swear Harrison's comments about "wanting to put people out of the game" after the Brown's game has put the whole defense under the microscope. Add that to the hardon the league already has for them because of the Ben situation and you get what we've seen this season.

The Commish hates Ward as well, so I suspect there will be no fine.

Absolutely Harrison should have keep the sentiment to himself.  That's more of an "add to the legend" thing for after one retires.
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« Reply #5 on: Nov 16, 2010 at 20:06 »

I seem to remember an incompletion to Welker in the first half where Ryan Clark obviously pulled up and looked like he was even laughing about it. Was at the game so not sure if this was mentioned on TV at all.
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« Reply #6 on: Nov 16, 2010 at 20:27 »

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I seem to remember an incompletion to Welker in the first half where Ryan Clark obviously pulled up and looked like he was even laughing about it. Was at the game so not sure if this was mentioned on TV at all.

Yeah, they showed that clip a couple times along with the old clip of Clark lighting Welker up.
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« Reply #7 on: Nov 17, 2010 at 00:09 »

I am actually shocked that Ryan Clark didn't get fined by Godell for that hit on Welker.  Granted it was a replay, and several years old, but it wouldn't of shocked me.
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« Reply #8 on: Nov 17, 2010 at 08:04 »

Even back thaten, that should have been a fine.  That was a total cheap shot.  Don't get me wrong I'm not sayin I don't like watching it!!!
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« Reply #9 on: Nov 17, 2010 at 08:45 »

I started to think it would have been worth the fines to just start clocking people.

Have not heard a word from the league office about those Patriot hits.  Surprise, surprise.
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« Reply #10 on: Nov 17, 2010 at 11:19 »

I started to think it would have been worth the fines to just start clocking people.

Have not heard a word from the league office about those Patriot hits.  Surprise, surprise.

Had the 212 on for background noise last night and I vaguely recall hearing a passing mention of the Ward hit being "investigated."  When I looked up at the screen, the announcement was scrolling by at the bottom.

What would be sweet is if Ward did a preemptive strike on a fine announcment by saying something to the effect of, "Whatshisface shouldn't be fined.  It's football.  Tackle football.  It comes with the territory.  Only a pussy would whine about that kind of a hit."


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« Reply #11 on: Nov 17, 2010 at 11:38 »

I seem to remember an incompletion to Welker in the first half where Ryan Clark obviously pulled up and looked like he was even laughing about it. Was at the game so not sure if this was mentioned on TV at all.

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« Reply #12 on: Nov 17, 2010 at 16:35 »

I seem to remember an incompletion to Welker in the first half where Ryan Clark obviously pulled up and looked like he was even laughing about it. Was at the game so not sure if this was mentioned on TV at all.

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« Reply #13 on: Nov 18, 2010 at 00:16 »

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"Whatshisface shouldn't be fined.  It's football.  Tackle football.  It comes with the territory.  Only a pussy would whine about that kind of a hit."

He's already cussin' and fussin' about possibly not being allowed to play Sunday.  That's a pretty good line to throw in with it.
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« Reply #14 on: Nov 18, 2010 at 08:47 »

What would be sweet is if Ward did a preemptive strike on a fine announcment by saying something to the effect of, "Whatshisface shouldn't be fined.  It's football.  Tackle football.  It comes with the territory.  Only a pussy would whine about that kind of a hit."


No such luck.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_709847.html

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Hines Ward is well aware of the crackdown by the NFL on helmet-to-helmet hits. He has watched the video produced by the league on what is legal and what is a fineable offense. After getting knocked out of Sunday's game by Patriots safety Patrick Chung with an apparent helmet-to-helmet hit, Ward wondered Wednesday why Chung has yet to hear from the league about a fine. "I was falling down and I wasn't expecting to get hit," Ward said. "He hit me, and that is what caused the head/neck or whatever you guys want to call it. I don't know what the league wants. It is what it is. It was helmet to helmet, and I thought that is what usually causes a fine. I am not going to sit there and worry about if the guy got fined or not." Chung was not fined by the league as of yesterday, but the NFL usually doesn't make fines known to public until Friday.
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« Reply #15 on: Nov 18, 2010 at 15:59 »

Good enough, close enough for me. 

I honestly believe Ward doesn't care if Chung is fined but it's a good jab at Goodell's new emphasis on hits. 

It was ashame to lose Ward but I didn't have a problem with the hit, other than that there appears to be no consistency re: penalties or fines under the new emphasis. 

It was deemed that Ward didn't maintain possession through the catch, creating an incomplete pass.  I would think that also makes him a defenseless receiver.  It is my understanding that a hit to the head of a defenseless receiver with a helmet, shoulder or forearm of a defender creates a 15 yard penalty and a fine under the "new emphasis." 

Every time James Harrison has done it since that Sunday, Bloody Sunday, he has either received a 15 yard penalty, fine or both. 

Just be consistent.  Florio can't seem to get that through his head when he's railing on Polamalu, Harrison and Ward for their comments re: the new emphasis on concussion prevention.
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« Reply #16 on: Nov 18, 2010 at 18:10 »

The part I don't like was that the Pats were rewarded for the hit.  The play was ruled a catch, but was challenged and overturned.  Well it wasn't a catch because of an illegal helmet-to-helmet, but that can't be reviewed.

So Pats get both the incompletion and knock Ward out of the game, ending his consecutive games with a catch streak.

While it didn't have the ferocity, it was just as illegal if not more so than Harrison's hit on Massequoi.
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« Reply #17 on: Nov 18, 2010 at 19:45 »

The part I don't like was that the Pats were rewarded for the hit.  The play was ruled a catch, but was challenged and overturned.  Well it wasn't a catch because of an illegal helmet-to-helmet, but that can't be reviewed.

So Pats get both the incompletion and knock Ward out of the game, ending his consecutive games with a catch streak.

While it didn't have the ferocity, it was just as illegal if not more so than Harrison's hit on Massequoi.

Yeah, that was the most infuriating thing for me. I would have liked to punch Belichick in the face-- only BB would have the audacity to have the refs watch that in slo-mo. And of course, why not? The league will pretend this never happened.

Goodell will never come down on that asshole. Billy must have film of Goodell doing something really shameful.
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« Reply #18 on: Nov 18, 2010 at 22:20 »

Goodell will never come down on that asshole. Billy must have film of Goodell doing something really shameful.

Goodell and Bob Kraft are tight buddies.
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« Reply #19 on: Nov 19, 2010 at 16:10 »

Woodley fined for late hit on Beardy.   cussing

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« Reply #20 on: Nov 19, 2010 at 16:53 »

Well there's just no point in getting upset about it.  The Patriots have enjoyed special league treatment for years now, and that's not going to change.  We can't beat 'em anyway so what fucking difference does it make?
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« Reply #21 on: Nov 19, 2010 at 17:20 »

Really difficult to understand how James Sanders doesn't get a fine.  I understand the missed penalty, 'cause that happens, but the replay shows a hit on a defenseless receiver.  Based on recent fines to James Harrison, that is in the same vein.

Hopefully Brady winds up on IR before the end of the season.
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« Reply #22 on: Nov 19, 2010 at 17:38 »

Hopefully whoever deleted my foul worded rant ends up on the IR too. 

Big Brother is watching apparently.

Bastards. 

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« Reply #23 on: Nov 19, 2010 at 19:50 »

I'd be interested to hear the reasoning on why the Ward hit wasn't worthy of a fine. Ward WAS a defenseless receiver because it ended up being an incomplete pass. Technically he wasn't a ball carrier yet because he never caught the pass. Like that matters. Harrison was fined for his hit on Cribbs which according to the rule was legal.
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« Reply #24 on: Nov 19, 2010 at 20:45 »

I'd be interested to hear the reasoning on why the Ward hit wasn't worthy of a fine. Ward WAS a defenseless receiver because it ended up being an incomplete pass. Technically he wasn't a ball carrier yet because he never caught the pass. Like that matters. Harrison was fined for his hit on Cribbs which according to the rule was legal.

I mean, is James Harrison just too bad a man to be allowed in the league?  Seems strange. 
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« Reply #25 on: Nov 21, 2010 at 06:17 »

Hopefully I get the full name correct but BenJarvis Green-Ellis was fined $5K for the chop block.

I thought the chop block call was somewhat suspect as it really was a bang-bang play.  I guess by the rule, it was a penalty but very surprising the RB would get a fine for that.

Seriously, the NFL is becoming more difficult to watch every week
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« Reply #26 on: Nov 21, 2010 at 20:46 »

I agree wholeheartedly on all accounts....Penso, we just cannot beat the Patriots so I'm not upset about it.  I hope that annoying Pats chick and Jason dude at 200 weren't in your grill too much....It does remind me of a homecoming game.  The fact that Belidick and the Pats ended Hines' streak on a challenge call, well, It's hard even to put into words the feelings that invokes.  The work FUCKING and ASSHOLES come to mind....

I remember when the chop block rule came into effect and it was like, "really?  they can't just play football??"  Now with the advent of the seemingly undeniable shift into touch or flag football that seems like eons ago...

Watching the game last night, I kept muttering to myself, "This is really boring to watch.  Is it just the Steelers and their shitty play calling or just an overall shift???"   I don't know if it's an NFL thing on the whole as I don't really watch any of the other teams closely. 
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« Reply #27 on: Nov 22, 2010 at 13:35 »

This just in.

James Harrison will be fined $50,000 for Richard Seymour's punch to Ben Roethlisberger.
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« Reply #28 on: Nov 22, 2010 at 13:45 »

When Harrison was on the ground picking dirt out of his eye, dude at the bar says, "Harrison will be fined for hitting the ground too hard." Pretty good...especially for this area.
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« Reply #29 on: Nov 22, 2010 at 17:09 »

TIOPS reporting Seymour fined $25K

A repeat offender, clearly outside of the rules, fined a fraction of what Harrison has been fined for hits during play.

I give up
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« Reply #30 on: Nov 22, 2010 at 17:27 »

TIOPS reporting Seymour fined $25K

A repeat offender, clearly outside of the rules, fined a fraction of what Harrison has been fined for hits during play.

I give up

Absolutely ridiculous.  Anyone have Goodell's email address?
Although, on further thought, I think this might require a full on ink & paper letter.

Anyone want to sign on once I get it written?

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« Reply #31 on: Nov 22, 2010 at 18:18 »

TIOPS reporting Seymour fined $25K

A repeat offender, clearly outside of the rules, fined a fraction of what Harrison has been fined for hits during play.

I give up

Unreal. 

My new dream scenario involves the Steelers winning the Super Bowl this year and there being a lockout next year so everyone can eat shit for a full two years.
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« Reply #32 on: Nov 22, 2010 at 20:01 »

TIOPS reporting Seymour fined $25K

A repeat offender, clearly outside of the rules, fined a fraction of what Harrison has been fined for hits during play.

I give up

Unreal. 

My new dream scenario involves the Steelers winning the Super Bowl this year and there being a lockout next year so everyone can eat shit for a full two years.

I love it.  Cock of the walk for two full.
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« Reply #33 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 08:53 »

I'll sign it.
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« Reply #34 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 12:19 »

no shit...25000?  doush should be suspended for at least one game...he didn't touch any chicks and all but....

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« Reply #35 on: Nov 29, 2010 at 17:39 »

Eddy B. reporting that Harrison's appeals of fines for the Massaquoi and Brees hits were rejected.

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« Reply #36 on: Nov 29, 2010 at 17:55 »

The rumor is that Harrison is going to get another $50,000 fine and one game suspension.  All of the articles are the same but here is one:  http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/steelers_james_harrison_going_to_be_fined_again/3694171

I don't know how to link the youtube clip here but look at spot #30, Harrison is not in the picture at all.  At #31 he hits Fitzpatrick with the top of his facemask/forehead of helmet.  Before #32 shows up you can see that the flag is out of the refs pocket and at #33 he is in full follow thru with the flag throw.  So in three fucking seconds Harrision makes the hit and the ref is all the way threw the throw.  THIS IS NOTHING EVEN RESEMBLING FOOTBALL!!
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« Reply #37 on: Nov 29, 2010 at 17:59 »

Here's to Harrison only getting fined.

Harrison can afford it, the Steelers can't afford a game w/o Harrison
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« Reply #38 on: Nov 29, 2010 at 18:14 »

ESPECIALLY the week we face our most hated rivals in a game to decide the division title. 
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« Reply #39 on: Nov 30, 2010 at 14:54 »

TIOPS.com reporting$25k fine for Harrison
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« Reply #40 on: Nov 30, 2010 at 15:33 »

TIOPS.com reporting$25k fine for Harrison

So, if you want to spend $25K, you might as well just get in a helmetless haymaker?  There's an equivalency there?  Shocking that Goodell continues to find ways to sink this league lower, on a weekly basis.

We need Sunny Harris to rotate in for a play, rip off Fucco's helmet, punch his teeth down his throat, and eat a $25K fine.
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« Reply #41 on: Nov 30, 2010 at 16:47 »

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We need Sunny Harris to rotate in for a play, rip off Fucco's helmet, punch his teeth down his throat, and eat a $25K fine.

I like the sound of that!  Actually not a half-bad idea...hmmmm...

John Clayton is the only commentator that I have heard make this point:
The NFL made a huge mistake by altering the system of fines in the middle of the season.  By doing this without thinking it through or consulting anyone, they backed themselves into a corner.  He said that if they were going to change it, they should have waited until the end of the season, allowing the players' union and everyone else to sit down and hash out all the details.

Goodell is going to push these guys to the edge of their sanity.  What an absolute idiot.
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