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Question: Do you feel Seymour's fine was correct?
Yes - 1 (7.7%)
50K - 0 (0%)
25K with 1-2 game suspension. - 1 (7.7%)
50K with 1-2 game suspension. - 6 (46.2%)
100K with 1-2 game suspension. - 2 (15.4%)
Repeat offender, Maximum Fine with 2 game suspension. - 3 (23.1%)
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« on: Nov 23, 2010 at 06:58 »

Mr. Seymour was fined 25K for the hit on Ben. I knew he wouldn't be suspended...but could you imagine if James Harrison (or any Steeler for that matter) did the same thing against Tom Brady 2 weeks ago? It would STILL be all over ESPN. Harrison received a fine 3 times greater for legally hitting a player who ducked on him. The NFL wants to "crackdown" on helmet to helmet hits, but palm striking a QB in the face is ok? I don't buy it.

I'm at a loss for words on this.
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« Reply #1 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 08:18 »

Yeah, I can't believe the fine was so little.

The NFL's agenda seems to be quite clear.
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« Reply #2 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 09:37 »

$75k - $100k; no suspension.

I think the Nation is in a powerful position to do something no other fan base can. As soon as (not to be presumptuous) the Steelers clinch a playoff spot, as much as it would penalize the fans, I think we should adjust our TV dials accordingly (i.e., don't watch) to put a dent in TV ratings.

We can gripe, complain, write letters, send e-mails, leave VMs, etc. all we want, but as long as there are butts in seats and eyes on TVs, none of the complaints will resonate with that lefty Goodell.
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« Reply #3 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 09:54 »

And, the only reason it was 25K is because it was his second offense.  First offense is 10K, I believe.

Supposedly, it falls under the "fighting" penalty schedule and not the in game, unnecessary roughness one.  Still, when the league reviewed and revamped the penalties/suspensions they were handing out for the helmet-to-helmet, defenseless receiver bullshit, they should've bumped these up (way up) too.

How can a bang bang play draw a significantly stiffer penalty from the league than a player who just decides to haul off and clock somebody?  It's not equitable.

If Pittsburgh faces the Pats in the playoffs, I say the Steelers should activate Harris from the practice squad.  Plug him in at DE on a series or two; then, when they least expect it, have him haul off and clock Brady with an uppercut to the jaw, WWF style, while the refs are cleaning off the pile.  Knock him the fuck out.  If it's close to the EZ, give him the [folding] chair too.

10K and he's ejected?  NP.
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« Reply #4 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 10:10 »

Watched Around the Horn yesterday, big mistake. All the asshole panelists on the show basically said it was a lovetap and Ben took a dive. I'm sure if it was Brady they would have dedicated the entire show to the injustice of the fine and that fucking dike Jackie Mcmullen would have had a candel-light vigil in his honor.

Why do I ever flip on espn? Why?
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« Reply #5 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 10:12 »

If Pittsburgh faces the Pats in the playoffs, I say the Steelers should activate Harris from the practice squad.  Plug him in at DE on a series or two; then, when they least expect it, have him haul off and clock Brady with an uppercut to the jaw, WWF style, while the refs are cleaning off the pile.  Knock him the fuck out.  If it's close to the EZ, give him the [folding] chair too.

10K and he's ejected?  NP.

Exactly, 10K for a first offense? No problem. I'm sure some of the guys in locker room will pony up 2K each to watch Brady take either a right hook or an uppercut to the jaw taking him out of the game with some much needed stitches. Hell, why stop at one good hay-maker? I say lay it on his ass...but you better believe if something like that happens to Brady the entire Steelers Organization will probably lose a first round draft selection, a 500K team fine, a 100K fine for James Harrison (just for good measure) and an entire year suspension for the player who hit Tom Brady. Then expect a penalty on every play from there on out through the playoffs. The way Brady acted in the game he played us he needs someone to knock him down a few pegs. If we do play the Patriots in the playoffs, D. Lebeau better dial up some heat all game. No need to watch Brady pick apart an 8 man zone coverage all game again.
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« Reply #6 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 10:24 »

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If we do play the Patriots in the playoffs, D. Lebeau better dial up some heat all game.

I want another chance at these guys SO bad, if for no other reason than to watch Harrison jack Brady off his feet.
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« Reply #7 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 10:44 »

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I want another chance at these guys SO bad, if for no other reason than to watch Harrison jack Brady off

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« Reply #8 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 10:48 »

Watched Around the Horn yesterday, big mistake. All the asshole panelists on the show basically said it was a lovetap and Ben took a dive. I'm sure if it was Brady they would have dedicated the entire show to the injustice of the fine and that fucking dike Jackie Mcmullen would have had a candel-light vigil in his honor.

Why do I ever flip on espn? Why?

With all due respect to anyone who disagrees, the first thing I thought when I saw the "slap" on video was that A) it was glancing at best and B ) Roethlisberger did a phenomenal acting job. Based on friends' descriptions of the event, I was expecting a hard-landing haymaker. It was not.

That doesn't change Seymour's intent though.

Not to always bring up what Josh Miller says (and to clarify my position on his take, I don't like him), but he did point out something that he said is the most troubling aspect of all of this: no one (except for a street-clothed Colon) came to Roethlisberger's aid when he went down. Read into what you want, but I do actually agree with Miller when he says that is pretty telling about how Roethlisberger's teammates feel about him.
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« Reply #9 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 11:01 »

Don't want to get into an argument over semantics, the fact is the intent was there, and if it had been Manning, Brady, Sanchez, Rivers, or whatever, you better fucking believe he gets fined more than 25k, and probably gets a few games suspension.

The fact is the league has a hardon for the Steelers, and really the Ravens because they play a very physical style. The NFL wants to become the arena league and eliminate teams that play like the Steelers and ravens. If you watched the game and don't see the agenda there, fine, call me a conspiracy theorist. But I saw the league trying to send a certain message to the Steelers.
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« Reply #10 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 11:29 »

Merman -

I'm not suggesting you're a conspiracy theorist. In fact, I'd say anyone that doesn't think the refs/NFL executed a clear agenda against the Steelers last week (and all season, really - at least on an individual level) has their heads in the sand.

All I was saying is that I agree with others who think Ben flopped.
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« Reply #11 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 11:39 »


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All I was saying is that I agree with others who think Ben flopped.

Yes and we know NO ONE has ever done that in the NFL before!
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« Reply #12 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 11:39 »

Merman -

I'm not suggesting you're a conspiracy theorist. In fact, I'd say anyone that doesn't think the refs/NFL executed a clear agenda against the Steelers last week (and all season, really - at least on an individual level) has their heads in the sand.

All I was saying is that I agree with others who think Ben flopped.

Yeah I know, just venting about inconsistencies. Ben's 6-6, 250, and shrugs off sacks like he's changing his socks but all of that shouldn't really matter. Bigger fines have been given for less, and if the play was reversed, James Harrison wouldn't be playing next week.
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« Reply #13 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 11:50 »


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All I was saying is that I agree with others who think Ben flopped.

Yes and we know NO ONE has ever done that in the NFL before!


OMG. I didn't even imply that no one else has. I'm just saying it looked like he did in this instance and I won't hold it against any pundit or opposing teams' fans who say the same. Geez.
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« Reply #14 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 12:26 »

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« Reply #15 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 12:35 »

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« Reply #16 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 12:36 »

no one (except for a street-clothed Colon) came to Roethlisberger's aid when he went down. Read into what you want, but I do actually agree with Miller when he says that is pretty telling about how Roethlisberger's teammates feel about him.

I wondered about that as well.  Could have been that they wanted to avoid further penalties?  Hmmmm.
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« Reply #17 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 13:30 »

no one (except for a street-clothed Colon) came to Roethlisberger's aid when he went down. Read into what you want, but I do actually agree with Miller when he says that is pretty telling about how Roethlisberger's teammates feel about him.

I wondered about that as well.  Could have been that they wanted to avoid further penalties?  Hmmmm.

Most likely. Miller contested that he would have preferred seeing six Steelers being ejected as a result of retaliation, and that a loss would have been acceptable as a result of subsequent ejections.

Penso - ding ding ding! Homeboy's a fascist. Starting to think that Onion story about Goodell redistributing the Steelers' SB wealth might become a reality.
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« Reply #18 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 13:58 »

no one (except for a street-clothed Colon) came to Roethlisberger's aid when he went down. Read into what you want, but I do actually agree with Miller when he says that is pretty telling about how Roethlisberger's teammates feel about him.


I wondered about that as well.  Could have been that they wanted to avoid further penalties?  Hmmmm.


I'll admit that I didn't really think about it from that perspective. 

At the time, I just half jumped out of my seat and wondered how the fuck Seymour didn't get jacked up for doing that.  No punches...just a lineman or two grabbing him and driving his ass into the turf.  Some kinda message that you're not gonna pull that shit on our turf and walk away unscathed.

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« Reply #19 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 16:03 »

AJ, that's friggin' disgusting!  lol...one of the most disturbing scenes ever! 

I didn't see the whole thing, just replays.  But it looked like they were all kind of shocked at the whole event.  Basically, "Wait...what?  Did that just happen?"  I actually thought Ben fell down not so much from the punch or acting but just in sheer disbelief. 

IMO, the players getting hold of Seymour seemed sufficient, because they know damn well they'd have been suspended for the season.  Fighting is only 25k, but RETALIATING is lifetime ban...at least if the Steelers do it.
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« Reply #20 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 16:40 »

I'll take the black eye and a win over ejections and a loss

I think Ben was a bit of an actor, though it could simple be that he was caught by surprise and was off-balance

The fine is disappointing, only from the standpoint of how it fits in to the overall idea of player safety and increased visiblity by officiating and the front office this season.  There seems to be little rhyme or reason IMO, though I saw where $10k for the first offense and $25k for the second (Florio says these were minimums/floors and not standards).  Based on the new parameters (fines and suspensions) for illegal game hits, I would think the $10k and $25k are outdated. 

I also think should Harrison deck Brady or any other QB, it will be one of those revelation weekends where the NFL decides to make an example, as they did with Harrison and Robinson.

I don't think the NFL is out to get the Steelers but at a minimum, Harrison is under a microscope.  At worst, his post-game Cleveland comments have made it impossible for the refs not to throw a flag.

I'm just hoping that Harrison doesn't get a fine this week.  But at this point, I assume he will.
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« Reply #21 on: Nov 23, 2010 at 21:47 »

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Not to always bring up what Josh Miller says (and to clarify my position on his take, I don't like him), but he did point out something that he said is the most troubling aspect of all of this: no one (except for a street-clothed Colon) came to Roethlisberger's aid when he went down. Read into what you want, but I do actually agree with Miller when he says that is pretty telling about how Roethlisberger's teammates feel about him.

Not accurate.  Weren't there offsetting penalties on that play?  Kemo retaliated, so no yardage, just the ejection.

Entire Oline went after him, so yes they helped him out.
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« Reply #22 on: Nov 24, 2010 at 09:55 »

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Not to always bring up what Josh Miller says (and to clarify my position on his take, I don't like him), but he did point out something that he said is the most troubling aspect of all of this: no one (except for a street-clothed Colon) came to Roethlisberger's aid when he went down. Read into what you want, but I do actually agree with Miller when he says that is pretty telling about how Roethlisberger's teammates feel about him.

Not accurate.  Weren't there offsetting penalties on that play?  Kemo retaliated, so no yardage, just the ejection.

Entire Oline went after him, so yes they helped him out.

Yes, Kemo got flagged as well, so off-setting.  And if you'll look at the video of Ben laying on the deck, you'll see the O-line rush up & get in Seymour's face.
I also think the ref was there in a hurry, so our boys weren't stupid enough to punch Seymour back and get thrown out too.

Kemo also had Ben's back after the game, commenting that Ben didn't say anything to set Seymour off.
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« Reply #23 on: Nov 24, 2010 at 14:26 »

They help him out.  I mean, they weren't running for the water here...

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« Reply #24 on: Nov 24, 2010 at 15:50 »

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That pop had plenty to it.  Ben wasn't acting. 
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« Reply #25 on: Nov 24, 2010 at 19:10 »

I agree.  He popped him a good one.

Maybe Ben made a reference to Dick See More.

Like:  "Follow me to the shitter and u can See More, Dick"
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« Reply #26 on: Nov 26, 2010 at 10:43 »

People tend to fall over when they're not expecting to be hit.
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« Reply #27 on: Nov 26, 2010 at 11:42 »

With re: to the flopping, you got to give Ben the benefit of the doubt here.  He was essentially moving into the jab and his natural reaction was to fall away, more than anything else, as a way to protect himself.

To say that the lineman didn't come to his side is just incorrect.  Had they done anything more, they would have ben ejected themselves; I would much rather them go after the Raiders players during the actual game.  And I am pretty sure that devastating, ACL tearing block on that punt return before the half was the Steelers way of doing so.
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