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« on: Nov 30, 2010 at 18:29 »

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5867825

"James Harrison was fined $25,000 for roughing the passer, specifically he made helmet contact to the chest of the Buffalo quarterback, who was in a defenseless position at the time the contact was made," the NFL said in an e-mail Tuesday to The Associated Press.

Really?  I mean, really?

Here's an idea:  Give the QBs the option to use flags.  If they are so worried about their health, fine.  If they're real men like Ben, let them fight for their lives and keep the play alive.
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« Reply #1 on: Nov 30, 2010 at 18:47 »

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5867825

"James Harrison was fined $25,000 for roughing the passer, specifically he made helmet contact to the chest of the Buffalo quarterback, who was in a defenseless position at the time the contact was made," the NFL said in an e-mail Tuesday to The Associated Press.


Wait.  So, according to this rationale every blind side sack is a now a fineable offense?  I mean a hit to the back is the essence of "defenseless" and I mean any sort of helmet-to-back contact has got to be at least as "devastating"...
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« Reply #2 on: Dec 01, 2010 at 06:53 »

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5867825

"James Harrison was fined $25,000 for roughing the passer, specifically he made helmet contact to the chest of the Buffalo quarterback, who was in a defenseless position at the time the contact was made," the NFL said in an e-mail Tuesday to The Associated Press.


Wait.  So, according to this rationale every blind side sack is a now a fineable offense?  I mean a hit to the back is the essence of "defenseless" and I mean any sort of helmet-to-back contact has got to be at least as "devastating"...


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« Reply #3 on: Dec 01, 2010 at 07:14 »

I think the dude Leonard Little hit was in a defenseless position.

I think the dude Harrison hit was wearing a helmet and pads and had a pretty good idea Sunday morning, he'd be turfed a few time by #92 during the course of the game.
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« Reply #4 on: Dec 01, 2010 at 08:54 »

This makes me sick, really. How can a guy who makes a tackle the way you are taught to make a tackle get a fine that is equal to a guy who rips off another players helmet and lands 3 closed fist strikes to his head...

I think the Rooneys should tell James to keep playing the way he does and pay the fines for him.

I am in disbelief...
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« Reply #5 on: Dec 01, 2010 at 09:35 »

This makes me sick, really. How can a guy who makes a tackle the way you are taught to make a tackle get a fine that is equal to a guy who rips off another players helmet and lands 3 closed fist strikes to his head...

I think the Rooneys should tell James to keep playing the way he does and pay the fines for him.

I am in disbelief...

Anyone catch what Dan Rooney said about this fine?  KDKA was all about making me wait too long to find out.
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« Reply #6 on: Dec 01, 2010 at 10:05 »

Urlacher's also saying the fines are out of control.

Bets on the Bears starting to get called more?  The Goodell Mafia wheels into action!
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« Reply #7 on: Dec 01, 2010 at 10:52 »

What exactly would it take for the owners to bitch slap Opie and send him home. Can they just vote him out at any time or must we pray for a Mark David Chapman type of intervention?
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« Reply #8 on: Dec 01, 2010 at 11:00 »

What exactly would it take for the owners to bitch slap Opie and send him home. Can they just vote him out at any time or must we pray for a Mark David Chapman type of intervention?

I just heard Goodell say the other week that he's bigger than Jesus.

Any way, that little shit reminds me of someone and I can't think who.  I couldn't kill him though.  I'd just bitch-slap him with the heavy rings until it was time for Otis to bring him the shiny balloons...
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 01, 2010 at 11:11 »

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If Rog was around back then, Jesus would have stayed down longer...trying to draw the flag.
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« Reply #10 on: Dec 01, 2010 at 12:08 »

What exactly would it take for the owners to bitch slap Opie and send him home. Can they just vote him out at any time or must we pray for a Mark David Chapman type of intervention?

The owners-- the new owners, the Jonses, Krafts, Snyders--  are the ones who put Goodell in place.  It took Rooney to convince the remaining 4 or 5 "Old School" owners to approve him, and in return Goodell secretly agreed not to overturn the outcome of SB XL ex post facto

Seriously, though.  You guys think this is out of hand, what 'til you see the slaughter come CBA negotiation-time.
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« Reply #11 on: Dec 01, 2010 at 12:25 »

Seriously, though.  You guys think this is out of hand, what 'til you see the slaughter come CBA negotiation-time.

You think the players just bend over and don't hold out?  The new union guy is supposedly a real hard ass, not an agreeable Upshaw clone.
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« Reply #12 on: Dec 01, 2010 at 12:52 »

Seriously, though.  You guys think this is out of hand, what 'til you see the slaughter come CBA negotiation-time.

You think the players just bend over and don't hold out?  The new union guy is supposedly a real hard ass, not an agreeable Upshaw clone.


Oh yeah, Smith is going to try to take a hard line stance.  But Butcher Rog will eviscerate the whole league if he has to.  The owners think they're invincible, and that a year away is preferable to ceding comparable leverage to the baseball players union. 
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« Reply #13 on: Dec 01, 2010 at 14:00 »

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Oh yeah, Smith is going to try to take a hard line stance.  But Butcher Rog will eviscerate the whole league if he has to.  The owners think they're invincible, and that a year away is preferable to ceding comparable leverage to the baseball players union. 

Methinks he be correct.

The one players union that deserves more power actually gets none of it.
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« Reply #14 on: Dec 03, 2010 at 07:48 »

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5867825

"James Harrison was fined $25,000 for roughing the passer, specifically he made helmet contact to the chest of the Buffalo quarterback, who was in a defenseless position at the time the contact was made," the NFL said in an e-mail Tuesday to The Associated Press.



Wait a minute!  The original penalty was for "leading with the crown of the helmet" which Harrison did NOT do.  Now when they see the replay and see that he did NOT lead with the crown of the helmet, he's getting fined for hitting the QB in the chest.  I think the FO felt like they had to fine him for something and so they changed the ir justification.


Look, when you play defense you are trying to hit the quarterback before he can make a pass and beat you.  This includes hitting him WHILE he's throwing the ball.  You can't fine a guy for hitting a guy face up in the chest a fraction of a second after he releases the ball.  It's ridiculous.
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« Reply #15 on: Dec 03, 2010 at 09:39 »

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5867825

"James Harrison was fined $25,000 for roughing the passer, specifically he made helmet contact to the chest of the Buffalo quarterback, who was in a defenseless position at the time the contact was made," the NFL said in an e-mail Tuesday to The Associated Press.



Wait a minute!  The original penalty was for "leading with the crown of the helmet" which Harrison did NOT do.  Now when they see the replay and see that he did NOT lead with the crown of the helmet, he's getting fined for hitting the QB in the chest.  I think the FO felt like they had to fine him for something and so they changed the ir justification.


Look, when you play defense you are trying to hit the quarterback before he can make a pass and beat you.  This includes hitting him WHILE he's throwing the ball.  You can't fine a guy for hitting a guy face up in the chest a fraction of a second after he releases the ball.  It's ridiculous.



Hell, when Pacman Jones was suspended for an entire season, the NFL first stated it was due to his legal issues. When the court hearings demonstrated Jones was not guilty of various charges, the NFL changed its story to say that his alleged actions simply didn't reflect well on "the Shield" and violated the new player conduct policy...which, in accordance with Goodell's inconsistent, nonsensical and tyrannous rule, was developed AFTER the allegations took place. Goodell's policy of changing policies mid-stream is the thing that most drives me nuts. It's lame.

All of this to say that Goodell has long been inconsistent. He makes up his own rules as he goes and holds players to policies that were developed after "incidents" (on-field and off-field) took place.

Penso - this rant is for you.
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« Reply #16 on: Dec 03, 2010 at 11:34 »

NFL official denies Steelers Harrison being targeted

http://postgazette.com/pg/10337/1107875-66.stm
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« Reply #17 on: Dec 03, 2010 at 12:42 »

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5867825

"James Harrison was fined $25,000 for roughing the passer, specifically he made helmet contact to the chest of the Buffalo quarterback, who was in a defenseless position at the time the contact was made," the NFL said in an e-mail Tuesday to The Associated Press.



Wait a minute!  The original penalty was for "leading with the crown of the helmet" which Harrison did NOT do.  Now when they see the replay and see that he did NOT lead with the crown of the helmet, he's getting fined for hitting the QB in the chest.  I think the FO felt like they had to fine him for something and so they changed the ir justification.


Look, when you play defense you are trying to hit the quarterback before he can make a pass and beat you.  This includes hitting him WHILE he's throwing the ball.  You can't fine a guy for hitting a guy face up in the chest a fraction of a second after he releases the ball.  It's ridiculous.



Hell, when Pacman Jones was suspended for an entire season, the NFL first stated it was due to his legal issues. When the court hearings demonstrated Jones was not guilty of various charges, the NFL changed its story to say that his alleged actions simply didn't reflect well on "the Shield" and violated the new player conduct policy...which, in accordance with Goodell's inconsistent, nonsensical and tyrannous rule, was developed AFTER the allegations took place. Goodell's policy of changing policies mid-stream is the thing that most drives me nuts. It's lame.

All of this to say that Goodell has long been inconsistent. He makes up his own rules as he goes and holds players to policies that were developed after "incidents" (on-field and off-field) took place.

Penso - this rant is for you.


I'm down with it.
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« Reply #18 on: Dec 03, 2010 at 14:01 »


The fines are determined by Anderson and assistant director of operations Merton Hanks, a former NFL player, not commissioner Roger Goodell.

Fuck Anderson.
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« Reply #19 on: Dec 03, 2010 at 14:22 »


The fines are determined by Anderson and assistant director of operations Merton Hanks, a former NFL player, not commissioner Roger Goodell.

Fuck Anderson.

Fuck that goose neck Merton and his fucked up celebratory head-bob!  I still can't stand that shit!
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« Reply #20 on: Dec 03, 2010 at 14:43 »

Okay, I'm in a seriously stressed-out mood today.  So I'm going to vent in a very un-preacher-like way...not foreign to those of you on the board, but I'll just apologize and beg forgiveness before I lose my religion here:

"I would say that's misguided and, frankly, completely untrue," Anderson said Thursday in an interview with the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. "Every team and every player, hopefully, will have the confidence that, if they play within the rules, we won't have this problem."

Okay, well...WHAT EXACTLY ARE THE FUCKIN' RULES???  That's the problem dumbass, no one knows what the damn rules are.  And you MAKE UP DIFFERENT ONES FOR DIFFERENT PLAYERS IN DIFFERENT SITUATIONS!  When in the hell did it become against the rules to hit someone in the chest???


"But what we will say is, we expect every player to play within the rules. They're very clear so players and coaches should know the rules, particularly Rule 12 and its variations. If they aren't able to play within the rules, ultimately, they will be sitting and watching games like you and me and watching games from outside the stadiums of their NFL team.


MY ASS THEY'RE CLEAR!  If they are so "clear" to everyone, then why do the players keep telling you that THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE FUCKIN' RULE???  And that last little tidbit there about watching the game outside the stadium pretty much tells us that they are trying to run harrison and anyone else who plays real football out of the league.  Guess the Steelers will lose their franchise soon.
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« Reply #21 on: Dec 03, 2010 at 14:51 »

Okay, I'm in a seriously stressed-out mood today.  So I'm going to vent in a very un-preacher-like way...not foreign to those of you on the board, but I'll just apologize and beg forgiveness before I lose my religion here:

"I would say that's misguided and, frankly, completely untrue," Anderson said Thursday in an interview with the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. "Every team and every player, hopefully, will have the confidence that, if they play within the rules, we won't have this problem."

Okay, well...WHAT EXACTLY ARE THE FUCKIN' RULES???  That's the problem dumbass, no one knows what the damn rules are.  And you MAKE UP DIFFERENT ONES FOR DIFFERENT PLAYERS IN DIFFERENT SITUATIONS!  When in the hell did it become against the rules to hit someone in the chest???


"But what we will say is, we expect every player to play within the rules. They're very clear so players and coaches should know the rules, particularly Rule 12 and its variations. If they aren't able to play within the rules, ultimately, they will be sitting and watching games like you and me and watching games from outside the stadiums of their NFL team.


MY ASS THEY'RE CLEAR!  If they are so "clear" to everyone, then why do the players keep telling you that THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE FUCKIN' RULE???  And that last little tidbit there about watching the game outside the stadium pretty much tells us that they are trying to run harrison and anyone else who plays real football out of the league.  Guess the Steelers will lose their franchise soon.

Fuckin' whoa.
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« Reply #22 on: Dec 03, 2010 at 17:24 »

Anderson needs to realize that, if his mystic interpretation of what football should be ever comes true, many of us won't be watching outside of stadiums 

We won't be watching at all.
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« Reply #23 on: Dec 03, 2010 at 21:39 »

Anderson needs to realize that, if his mystic interpretation of what football should be ever comes true, many of us won't be watching outside of stadiums 

We won't be watching at all.

Precisely. I watched the WVU/Pitt Backyard Brawl the other day and found myself consciously thinking, "Hey, there hasn't been a flag every other play. In fact, there have been a ton of monster hits that the NFL would have flagged and fined. I think I'm enjoying this more than NFL games."

It was such a refreshing feeling to watch a hard-hitting, let-'em-play type of game. It's sad that the NFL is becoming what it's becoming. It's sad that the NFL has become so flag-happy that I noticed the lack of flags in the college game.
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Watched a bunch of football with my cousin over the weekend.  I cannot even count the number of times that we said, "Hey, that would have been a penalty in the NFL."  Pretty sad that the college game is tougher than the NFL these days.
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« Reply #25 on: Dec 04, 2010 at 08:37 »

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he made helmet contact to the chest of the Buffalo quarterback, who was in a defenseless position at the time the contact was made,"

I have never once heard the phrase "defenseless position" used in context of a QB until they needed to make this crap up to justify the fine.

So now they've set the precedent that every QB is in a defenseless position after throwing the ball.  Next up, zero leeway for hits after the pass.  Like touching the kicker, no matter how lightly.  Touch the QB=roughing the passer.

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he made helmet contact to the chest of the Buffalo quarterback, who was in a defenseless position at the time the contact was made,"

I have never once heard the phrase "defenseless position" used in context of a QB until they needed to make this crap up to justify the fine.

So now they've set the precedent that every QB is in a defenseless position after throwing the ball.  Next up, zero leeway for hits after the pass.  Like touching the kicker, no matter how lightly.  Touch the QB=roughing the passer.



Or worse - the banning of tackles made by players who begin plays on the QB's blind side. Hell, we could even see a reduction of eligible players on the field, going from the traditional 11-on-11 to 8-on-8 or 9-on-9 to completely eliminate blind-side play.
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« Reply #27 on: Dec 04, 2010 at 18:40 »

Fuck Goodell.

That is all.
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