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« on: Dec 19, 2010 at 19:41 »

The Preacherman has pulled out the bourbon, and he's writing before it starts to kick in.

10.  In spite of the outcome, this was a fantastic game.  Overall, it was well-played by both teams.  Unfortunately, the Jets played just good enough to win it, and the Steelers played just bad enough to lose it.

9.  I cannot believe I'm saying this in my pre-bourbon buzz, but Bruce Arians actually called a pretty good game.  I was impressed with the diversity in the run game, and the protection schemes as well.  The draw was actually a good play call if scott had decided to block instead of flop.

8.  Sad thing is that Jon Scott played easily his best game of the day up until the safety.  Ben had really outstanding protection for most of the day, and Scott even handled his man one on one several times.  But the safety play was a steaming mound by anyone's standards.  He didn't even have to make a good block, just get a piece of Taylor long enough to get Moore past the LOS.  BTW, I was about to be critical of Moore for not reaching the ball out of the EZ, but decided he did the right thing to take a safety rather than risk giving up the ball for a TD.

7.  I thought Troy P would be the guy we missed the most.  Turns out Heath Miller is the man.  Spaeth came on and played half-decent, Johnson blocked well in the second half.  But their drops early in the game probably cost the Steelers points that could have made a huge difference.  No, there is no guarantee that the drives would have produced, but another set of downs would have been nice, just to find out.
   Add to that the next to last play of the game.  If Spaeth doesn’t get in the way, Sanders catches that for 6 and we win the game.

6.  Ben Roethlisberger is still the man.  It’s amazing what the guy can do under the worst circumstances, even more amazing what he can do given time to throw the ball.  Take out the drops, some oddly missed holding/PI calls, and the guy had us where we needed to be at the end in spite of everything.

5.  That said, Ben let the ball go to the ground twice in critical situations.  That cannot happen.  He also missed some easy TD chances, particularly on that awesome fake spike.

4.  Phil Simms and Boomer Esiason have to be the biggest douchebags known to all of humanity, and their jobs should be revoked along with their man-cards.  Boomer had no clue what the tiebreaker was if the Steelers lost; and Phil was dumb enough to say that Spaeth’s miss was Ben’s fault.  Ball was high, but the rule for “man football” is:  If you get two hands on the ball, you should catch it.

3.  There is not much to say about the defense.  They played adequate, but not great.  I give them credit for getting Big Ben the football with enough time to do something.  Ryan Mundy isn’t great, but he’s still better than Tyrone Carter.  Good play to get the stop on 3rd down at the end.  Clearly, the D doesn’t have that “It” factor without Troy.  15-yarder against Ryan Clark is still a stupid rule, but he left his feet and that is well-established as a penalty.

2.  If defense was adequate, special teams were atrocious.  I don’t know how much can be held against this group, considering that they are pulling kickers in from the streets.  But that first KO return by Brad Smith was ridiculous.  They just didn’t stay in their lanes at all.

1.  You cannot blame the refs for this (or any) loss.  But the number of missed pass interference/holding calls is beyond appalling.  Even on the final play, there was a blatant hold right in front of the ref.
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« Reply #1 on: Dec 19, 2010 at 20:45 »

Re: 10 - I didn't think it was a good game at all. And not because the Steelers lost, but because they looked pedestrian on both sides of the ball and worse than pedestrian on STs. The Jets have become a fairly shitty team and Sanchez has blown of late. No blitzes after the first series or two? WTF?

Re: 1 - I don't think the refs intentionally called a shitty game to the Steelers' detriment, but they did call a shitty game to the Steelers' detriment. That H2H flag on Clark was a game changer. Instead of 3rd and not-an-easy-first, they got an auto-first and scored a TD shortly thereafter. Had they called the super-obvious PI at the end of the game, the Steelers would have at least two or three more tries at a TD from closer range (inside 5?).

Overall, I thought the game was completely boring and frustrating. It was more of an ineptness grudge match than a defensive one.
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« Reply #2 on: Dec 19, 2010 at 21:16 »

I knew that call on Clark was coming.  Technically he did leave his feet, so that is going to draw a flag every time.  I'm not putting forward the conspiracy theory on the calls, but they were pretty heinously NOT in favor of the Steelers.

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« Reply #3 on: Dec 19, 2010 at 21:22 »

Just to clarify, today's game is the first in about 1.5 months that I haven't been on the "they're out to get us" train. Today we just got some shitty officiating with no bias.
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« Reply #4 on: Dec 19, 2010 at 22:09 »

I knew that call on Clark was coming.  Technically he did leave his feet, so that is going to draw a flag every time.  I'm not putting forward the conspiracy theory on the calls, but they were pretty heinously NOT in favor of the Steelers.



Agree completely on this.

Yeah, the Jets have been shitty for the past 2 games.  But they weren't particularly shitty today or any other day since the first week.  Unfortunately for us. I thought it was a hard fought, fun to watch game. We were in it til the last, the way I prefer.
ST doesn't give up that TD on the first play, we win.
Don't get that safety, we probably tie, with a good chance to win.

I kinda felt this game wasn't gonna go our way.  Oh well.
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6.  Ben Roethlisberger is still the man.  It’s amazing what the guy can do under the worst circumstances, even more amazing what he can do given time to throw the ball.  Take out the drops, some oddly missed holding/PI calls, and the guy had us where we needed to be at the end in spite of everything.

True dat.  Wouldn't trade him for Joe Namath in his prime with bionic knees.


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« Reply #5 on: Dec 19, 2010 at 22:43 »

Yeah, I really didn't see this in the same light as JT.  Just a difference in perspective.  I thought the game was entertaining from the standpoint of going down to the wire, not really knowing who was going to earn the victory until the final play.  I also have to say that our offense, while missing some of the big-play character that has helped them this season, certainly performed well except for a handful of plays.

11-17 on 3rd down, well over 100 yards more offense, a 100-yard rusher, and an advantage in TOP.  Not a half-bad performance.  Yet, still not good enough to win.
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« Reply #6 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 07:10 »

Lost to the Pats, Saints & Jets.

One play away from being swept by the Ravens.

One play away from a split with the Bengals.

One play away from a loss to the Bills.

But we beat the Falcons in week 1 !!!  Smiley

Hopefully, they've saved all their quality wins for the post season.
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« Reply #7 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 08:44 »


3.  There is not much to say about the defense.  They played adequate, but not great.  I give them credit for getting Big Ben the football with enough time to do something.  Ryan Mundy isn’t great, but he’s still better than Tyrone Carter.  Good play to get the stop on 3rd down at the end.  Clearly, the D doesn’t have that “It” factor without Troy.  15-yarder against Ryan Clark is still a stupid rule, but he left his feet and that is well-established as a penalty.


The Defense goes from great to merely good without Troy out there, but it's still not an excuse to play as passivley as they did.  I say it after every Patriots loss and I'll say it now, I'd rather get smoked by an 80 yard bomb once in a while than get nickel and dimed down the field every fucking possession.

If **** had anything in his bag of tricks, the time to use it would have been after the first drive of the 2nd half when it was 17-10. Key time there as a big stop and another TD or even a FG probably puts it away. The Jets offense isn't good, and Sanchez has been erratic. This was the week to dial it up.
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« Reply #8 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 08:54 »


3.  There is not much to say about the defense.  They played adequate, but not great.  I give them credit for getting Big Ben the football with enough time to do something.  Ryan Mundy isn’t great, but he’s still better than Tyrone Carter.  Good play to get the stop on 3rd down at the end.  Clearly, the D doesn’t have that “It” factor without Troy.  15-yarder against Ryan Clark is still a stupid rule, but he left his feet and that is well-established as a penalty.


The Defense goes from great to merely good without Troy out there, but it's still not an excuse to play as passivley as they did.  I say it after every Patriots loss and I'll say it now, I'd rather get smoked by an 80 yard bomb once in a while than get nickel and dimed down the field every fucking possession.

If **** had anything in his bag of tricks, the time to use it would have been after the first drive of the 2nd half when it was 17-10. Key time there as a big stop and another TD or even a FG probably puts it away. The Jets offense isn't good, and Sanchez has been erratic. This was the week to dial it up.

It was interesting watching the contrast between our approach to the 3-4 and Green Bay's, last night, playing the Patriots. They actually covered the short stuff and pounded on Welker. yeah, they got burned with a few matchups on their TEs, but that's just going to happen. They covered the short stuff tight, mixed in some tricky blitzes with an overall conservative approach to rushing the passer, and made Brady uncomfortable and ineffective almost all night. Packers would've won if not for the freaky kick return and the pick six, I think.

Granted, they have corners who can cover, and that's a big difference.
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 10:08 »

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The draw was actually a good play call if scott had decided to block instead of flop.

Are you kidding me?  That was the third time we ran that play out of that exact formation, once to Moore to the left, once to Mendenhall to the right, then the safety to Moore to the right.  This is the NF fucking L, defensive players are smart and know how to read formation and personnel.  It was a bonehead call made by a bonehead coordinator.

Besides the fact that Mendenhall is ripping 5 per carry.  But no, no no, we have thirty-whatever Mewelde Moore, who runs exactly two plays, neither of which ever works.
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« Reply #10 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 10:15 »

Yeah the draw call was horrible on so many levels. If they had to call that play at least give to to someone who can, you know, break a tackle or make someone miss. Gee, I wish we had 2 running backs like that on the roster.

If they were so intent on running, run a play that has a less than 50% chance in ending in disaster. Fuck, have your mac truck QB sneak it for 3 yards if you're worried about giving yourself room.


Sometimes I wish I rooted for a team that would fire an OC for such a bad call. Arians will probably get extended though.
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« Reply #11 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 11:02 »

Luckily, yesterday was an incredibly busy day for me, between Christmas parties and family functions, and I didn't feel like waiting to get him to watch on TiVo.  So I saw bits and pieces at various houses, listened to the local radio feed with Hillgrove, and then got home to see about the last 10:00 of the 4Q.

Can't say the outcome surprised but:

*Surprised Ben wasn't sacked a lot more.
*We clinched a playoff spot allowing 43 to get healthy, even with the loss.  Say what you will about the dropoff by the D, but I'll take that.
*STs have been much improved.  Yesterday they may have lost us the game.  I think their poor play is very correctable.
*I cannot remember a team in recent memory have so much success with so many key injuries.  The OL is ridiculous (Starks, Colon, various temporary dings to Kemo, Pouncey, Flo, etc.); Smith and Pola, the key injuries that sank us last year; the gaggle of injuries to 7; the Heat concussion...  At the very least, this team has shown that it can Band-Aid the OL for stretches and get some protection, though unreliably.  Better, Heat will be back, Ben never stops, and if we get Smith and Pola for the post, this team goes from wounded tiger to nasty beast quick fast.
*We've faced quality opponents and been out of none of our games, except the Patriots game, and even then we got some late traction.
*BA and DL seem to get more aggressive in the post.  Some more aggression in the regular might be nice, but they seem to enjoy springing the surprise.
*Our draft needs must be bloody obvious to the FO this year.  They'd be hard pressed to fuck this up.
*We may not look SB caliber, but then who has?  And the team that has was getting taken to the mat by a similar 3-4 defense from GB, and with... wait for it... Matt... FLYNN QBing.  You cannot tell me that GB has suffered fewer key injuries than we have, or that we cannot call an offensive or defensive game against the Patsies that would similarly take advantage of the matchup issues (run the fucking ball to kill clock, get your mobile QB into rolling pockets and PAP, punch Brady in the fucking face early and often).

As sour as I was in my preview to the Jets game, when I thought Rex would commit homicide against BBR with a variety of blitzes; apparently, the line was not atrocious, the playcalling by BA had its moments, DL gets timid with his 43 security blanket, and we finish with two winnable games and a likely bye to heal.  Once healthy, can we get it together?  I think so.

Yay!  Mild optimism.
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« Reply #12 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 11:26 »


If **** had anything in his bag of tricks, the time to use it would have been after the first drive of the 2nd half when it was 17-10. Key time there as a big stop and another TD or even a FG probably puts it away. The Jets offense isn't good, and Sanchez has been erratic. This was the week to dial it up.

Nah, they're savin' that for the rematch in January.

*eye roll*

Per usual, good points, P.  I agree with whoever said it was a frustrating game to watch; never seemed like they could get it out of neutral and in gear. 

Pass pro seemed damned good...can't remember the last time I said that.  Several times Ben dropped back and had a beautiful pocket to stand in, but he never seemed to find anyone in rhythm.  Sadly, either guys just can't get open initially on their own or he just doesn't have the ability to take a 5 step drop and throw to a spot.  I guess at this point in his career, he's more improviser, but as he ages and matures, he's gotta do a better job of that, IMO.  One other note about the protection, I know the Jets have been having a helluva time at getting to the QB, so I half expected Pittsburgh to have a little success in that department.  But, even when they outrighted blitzed, the O-line and whichever RB was in did a good job of picking it up; only seem to recall once where someone came in untouched.
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« Reply #13 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 11:33 »

Hated the (1) draw play, (2) from the shotgun, (3) with a pulling guard, (4) especially because we were backed up LATE IN THE GAME, (5) playing a team that walked up 10 men on every single play of the game.

Besides that I cannot complain much, except for the decision to punt from the Jets' 34 on fourth and four early in the game (as I mentioned in the gameday thread).  THAT IS 4 DOWN TERRITORY.  Our coverage overran the punt and it went for a glorious net 12 yards, to boot.  At the very least, march the O out there for the hard count and help yourself by taking the delay of game.
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« Reply #14 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 11:52 »

*Our draft needs must be bloody obvious to the FO this year.  They'd be hard pressed to fuck this up.

I haven't been keeping up...what TE prospect do you think will still be on the board in the late 20s in R1?  Maybe go ILB?  Farrior looks slow out there.  Trading up and snagging a guy will get strong consideration.

*We may not look SB caliber, but then who has?  And the team that has was getting taken to the mat by a similar 3-4 defense from GB, and with... wait for it... Matt... FLYNN QBing.  You cannot tell me that GB has suffered fewer key injuries than we have, or that we cannot call an offensive or defensive game against the Patsies that would similarly take advantage of the matchup issues (run the fucking ball to kill clock, get your mobile QB into rolling pockets and PAP, punch Brady in the fucking face early and often).

Amazing how their defense can go from how they looked against Pittsburgh, to how they looked against the Pack.  Yeah, letdown game, blah, blah, blah, but...mark my words, IDGAF how "unstoppable" their offense is, their defensive inexperience and immaturity will cost them a real chance of winning the Lombardi, Shaggy One be damned.  Plus, I still maintain that they peaked too early.  Self doubt in a young team isn't something you can just shake off in a week or two.
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« Reply #15 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 12:34 »

I can't understand why they don't run more pap plays.  I think they ran one yesterday, and Ben hit someone, Ward I think, wide freaking open.

There is always a back in there to block, so there is a warm body there for the fake, so why not (excluding obvious answer that BA is an idiot)?  Even if it's 1/3 of the pass plays, when Mendy is ripping off 5+ per carry the LB's and maybe even a safety/corner may bite on it too.  If that gives #17 a half step on one play per game, that's potentially a lot of points.

Speaking of #17, how about the fake spike play.  Loved the call, and I presume Ben called it.  I would love to know what the route was supposed to be, or, who screwed up.  Ben was pissed, but Mikey had his guy(s) beat to the EZ.  Maybe it was the designed back shoulder/ stop route.  I'd love to know who should have done what on that play.
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« Reply #16 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 13:27 »

Speaking of #17, how about the fake spike play.  Loved the call, and I presume Ben called it.  I would love to know what the route was supposed to be, or, who screwed up.  Ben was pissed, but Mikey had his guy(s) beat to the EZ.  Maybe it was the designed back shoulder/ stop route.  I'd love to know who should have done what on that play.

Next time we run that, we get 6.

But since BA is the coordinator, will he ever try it again?
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« Reply #17 on: Dec 20, 2010 at 15:09 »

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Are you kidding me?  That was the third time we ran that play out of that exact formation, once to Moore to the left, once to Mendenhall to the right, then the safety to Moore to the right.


Let me make a correction.  It was not a good play call, but the play was well-executed by everyone other than Scott.  Nice gap there to at least make positive yardage.

I either misspoke or misrepresented.  I misremembered how I wanted to misinterpret that.
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