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« Reply #10 on: Aug 17, 2011 at 13:27 »

Some recaps from Adam Gretz at Steelers Lounge, from Dave Bryan at Steelers Depot, and a look at the OL from Byran as well.

8/17/11 Updates:  WR Limas Sweed injured-waived and TE Eugene Bright waived; DB Victor “Macho” Harris signed and CB Kevin Dockery signed.


QB

I’ll admit confusion as to Tomlin’s MO with putting Dixon in for cleanup duty.  I suspected he’d receive the lion’s share of first team reps to better eval value going forward, or to promote trade value.  But it could be that Tomlin is simply rotating all the backups to give them each a chance in preseason with the first team, so Dixon’s horrible performance and seeing demotion may yet need to be taken with a grain of salt.  It would not surprise me to see the next three preseason games go something like this:

Philadelphia (8/12):  Ben (1 series), Batch (rest of first half), Dixon (~3Q), Lefty (~4Q).
Atlanta (8/27):  Ben (1 series or sit out), Dixon (rest of first half), Lefty (~3Q), Batch (~4Q).
@Carolina (9/1):  Ben (out), Dixon (first half), Lefty (second half), Batch (N/A).

That rotation would boost Dixon’s reps with the first team late in the preseason, while giving all the backups their turn.  While I find it impossible to fathom cutting Dixon and going with Lefty and Batch as the Senescent Backup Duo, I admit my previous confidence that Dixon would likely stick is shaken some.  Still, I think this is all part of a longer-term motivational strategy to build Dixon’s workload.  Odds adjusted some.

B. Roethlisberger – LOCK
B. Leftwich – 80%
D. Dixon – 70%
C. Batch – 40%
*Free agent waiver (QB3) – 10%


RB[/u]

The RB competition seems to be all but over, with the injury to Batch, and some ineffective play from Dwyer and Clay.  What’s surprising is that despite batch tearing an ACL, the FO has yet to put him on IR.  Perhaps their belief is that if Batch were injured-waived, another team might see enough value in him to pick him up, add him to the roster, and sit on him for an entire year.  I find this to be dubious logic, and I really like Batch.  If he were such a hot commodity, some team would have drafted him prior to R7.  I still believe Batch will land on IR, but what the FO is doing here is a mystery to me.

The original rankings had Redman as a “near lock.”  Redman is such a lock that Schage is looking for him to do endorsements.  As solid as Mendenhall is becoming as an all-around feature back, if Arians ever comes up for air he would see the incredible potential of letting Redman share some of Mendy’s workload, which would allow Mendy to have a longer career.

With all the ugliness  past those two, the solid and dependable Mewelde Moore is also a lock.  Dwyer looks like he won’t get a second season here unless he really flashes over the next three, but he should have had his shit together as a second year guy.  John Clay reportedly walked out of practice but was cajoled back by coaches: as someone who looks ready to quit, he gets no lovin’ here.

R. Mendenhall – LOCK
I. Redman – LOCK
M. Moore –LOCK
B. Batch – IR (?)
J. Dwyer –5%
J. Clay – No fucking way



WR[/u]

The receiving crew in Washington was part of the problem with the offense:  without Ward, Sanders, or Cotchery, it was basically Mike Wallace and Antonio Brown.  Brown is quickly proving himself to be a complete receiver who can make every catch, which should mollify concerns over Sanders’s foot.

The rest of the WRs were dreck.  With every damned kick going for a touchback, Battle’s stock is diminished, and what was supposed to be a coming out party for Tyler Grisham (He’s the next Wes Welker!!!) was a yawner.  Big Wes Lyons was, well, big, but he can’t catch an elephant turn in a fishnet.  Limas Sweed has apparently gone from being the ace in the hole to the next Bill Belichick reclamation project, as soon as the first round of cuts comes along.

I still see 6 WRs as being possible, but it seems far less likely now.  

H. Ward – LOCK
M. Wallace – LOCK
E. Sanders – LOCK
A. BROWN – LOCK
J. Cotchery - LOCK
T. Grisham – 10%
A. Battle – 10%
L. Sweed – Time to get on with your life’s work.



TE[/u]

Johnson had a bad game, but I think he sticks nominally as a TE, realistically as a FB and blocker.  Expect improvement over the rest of the preseason.  Gilmore was better than expected, so if Saunders can’t capitalize over the rest of the preseason, Gilmore could beat Saunders, vet experience over rookie upside.  Gilmore’s been having a pretty decent camp so far.

I still think Saunders will show something that makes him a guy the coaches won’t want to cut.  With the shortened preseason, it’s understandable that his first showing would be rocky.  For Saunders, it’s a game of beating the clock.  He needs to show something soon.

H. Miller – LOCK
D. Johnson – 85%
J. Gilmore – 60%
W. Saunders – 45%

*Free agent waiver (TE3) – 10%


OL[/u]

Stock down: Chris Scott.  After a year on IR, Scott was reportedly blowing up camp and looked ready to seize the RG starting job.  Scott, like the rest of the Roly Polys, is indeed big and strong, but he’s not adept at picking up stunts and twists.  He did settle in some, and Tomlin gave him a long look, so I think the coaches like his potential.  But he’s not starter material.

Stock up:  I had basically written off Tony Hills, who had shown as much as fellow former Longhorn Limas Sweed to date.  Hills actually may have found a home inside at guard, and was reportedly taking reps with the first team at RG.  His (theoretical) ability to back up LT may give him an edge, since the other OT backups appear to be rookie Marcus Gilbert and second year guy Ramon Foster (RT only).  

Ironically, having Hills show well may hurt rookie Keith Williams more than it does Chris Scott.  Scott still appears to be more interesting to the coaches, who may send Williams to the practice squad.  Scott versus Williams should be the bubble battle here.

Also keep an eye on Kemo.  As the paradigmatic Roly Poly, his mental shortcomings are documented, but if the knee is an issue, coaches could determine that he has one of those mysterious “season-ending knee injuries” a la Darnell Stapleton.  Kemo’s partway into a 5-year deal (through 2013), but there is a lot of flexibility in that if we want to go younger.  Still, I expect Kemo to be, you know, whatever it is he is.

Nine remains my magic number for OL.

M. Pouncey – LOCK
W. Colon – LOCK
M. Gilbert – LOCK
J. Scott – LOCK
C. Kemoeatu - LOCK
D. Legursky – LOCK
R. Foster – 90%
C. Scott – 65%
T. Hills – 55%
K. Williams – 55%
K. Jolly – 5%
*Free agent waiver G/T – 30% - includes F. Adams and M. Starks


Offense

With 3 QB, 3 RB, 5 WR, 3 TE, and 9 OL, that makes 23 offensive roster spots.  It seems awfully likely that 2 more offensive players will be added in.  Will we retain 4 QBs?  Add a FA WR or RB?  Keep 10 OL?  There’s certainly some flexibility here.  

My guess at this point would be that the Steelers might keep 10 OL, given some of the injury issues that plagued last year (and that might mean signing back Starks or Adams), and also picking up a RB4, since that seems to be their preferred depth at that spot.  I’m just not confident of Dwyer yet.

One other possible gambit would be to retain 4 QBs, with the idea of dealing Dixon for a draft pick in case a team needs to bolster depth, or to swap under-performing QBs (i.e., Clausen).
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« Reply #11 on: Aug 17, 2011 at 13:50 »

DL[/u]

I had six as my magic number previously, and I believe that remains so.  I’m moving Hokie from 95% to a lock, because I think Gray is a guy who looks destined for the practice squad.  He and McClendon and Corbin Bryant all showed some decent stuff, but only McClendon has a real chance to stick, and his value is diminished by the rookie ends.  Bryant may be another practice squad addition.

Sunny Harris was injured-waived.  Not a ton of mystery remains.

C. Hampton – LOCK
A. Smith – LOCK
B. Keisel – LOCK
E.Z. Hood – LOCK
C. Heyward – LOCK
C. Hoke – LOCK
S. McClendon – 15%
A. Gray –5%



[/u]ILB[/u]
As expected, the backup ILB duties were primarily handed to Larry Foote and Stevenson Sylvester, who played both mack and buck.  Foote showed the power of the wily vet, while Sylvester got the radio headset, signaling the team’s interest in developing him.

My previous writeup had Chris Carter erroneously listed at ILB: he’s an OLB.  Mortty Ivy got some cleanup work but looks to be odd man out.  I expect the FO to push to get him on the practice squad.  Mario Harvey was MIA.

J. Farrior – LOCK
L. Timmons – LOCK
S. Sylvester – LOCK
L. Foote – LOCK



OLB[/u]

The OLB position makes much more sense with my brainfart of Chris Carter resolved.  Worilds is still not playing instinctively, but I still think he’s too valuable an investment not to make the cut:  expect him to get a lot of early reps from here on out. 

Chris Carter and Chris Ellis got an even number of reps, but I have to think Carter is favored here.  The FO could retain 5 OLBs, but it seems more likely that they would want to add an extra DB.

J. Harrison – LOCK
L. Woodley – LOCK
J. Worilds – LOCK
Chris Carter – 75%
C. Ellis – 25%



S[/u]

With Polamalu and Will Allen sitting out, and Ryan Clark injured after 5 plays, we got to see more of Ryan Mundy, Damon Cromartie-Smith, and Brett Greenwood.  Greenwood remains a dark horse, Mundy allowed 7 completions of 8 targets, and DCS flashed both good and bad (giving up 21 yards of YAC on one completion).

I could see the coaches possibly keeping a bubble DB who could adapt at either CB or S, and my two early contenders would be DCS and Donovan Warren.  But as abysmal as Mundy was at times, and as interesting as DCS might be as a potential fifth, I think it’s awfully unlikely it pans out that way.

Keep an eye on longshot UDFA Brett Greenwood from Iowa.  He may only be practice squad material but he could flash something in the preseason.

T. Polamalu – LOCK
R. Clark – LOCK
W. Allen – 95%
R. Mundy – 85%
D. Cromartie-Smith – 20%



CB[/u]

With Ike out most of the game, and McFadden held out, we got the full horror of William Gay and Keenan Lewis.  Cortez Allen was inactive, while Niles Brinkley and Donovan Warren got some work, and Warren especially seemed to show flashes of potential.  At one time a highly touted CB from Michigan, he came out too early, ran too slow, and went undrafted.  Keenan Lewis shat the bed and Warren may be the biggest beneficiary.

I hope we get to see what Brown can do for us this week, but he’s all but a lock as a high round pick anyway.  I’d keep Lewis and Gay inactive and take a peek at Allen this week, but there’s a lot of questions to our CB depth, and the situation may have only gotten murkier.  Donovan Warren is the wild card, and I suspect the magic number may not be 6 after all, but rather 7, especially if one of DCS or Warren sticks as an all-purpose package back/safety.

Like it or not, even with the new DB arrivals, Gay and McFadden seem to be on the coaches’ good side.  Keenan Lewis has never started, so he’s iffy.  Curtis Brown has reportedly shown some good stuff in camp recently.

I don’t think either Macho Harris or Kevin Dockery will have much chance of making the 53-man unless they play lights-out.  Late camp additions (even vets) rarely clear that hurdle.  But we’ll see.  For now, I’m pooling Harris and Dockery in with the free agent percentages below.

I. Taylor – LOCK
B. McFadden – 95%
W. Gay – 95% (FUCK)
C. Brown – 95%
C. Butler – 90%
C. Allen – 60%
K. Lewis – 50%
Donovan Warren -30%
*Free agent waiver – 35%



Specialists[/u]

Appears to be Suisham and Sepulveda.  Robo-Punter answered all questions of leg strength, and Kapinos appears to be going back to being a guy on the rolodex, but the punter situation is no lock so long as Sepulveda is wearing that brace.

S. Suisham – 95%
D. Sepulveda – 85%
J. Kapinos – 15%


Practice Squad

WR Tyler Grisham
LB Mortty Ivy
NT Anthony Gray
DB Damon Cromartie-Smith
OG Keith Williams
T Kyle Jolly
TE Weslye Saunders
S Brett Greenwood


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« Reply #12 on: Aug 18, 2011 at 11:18 »

8/17/11 Updates:  WR Limas Sweed injured-waived and TE Eugene Bright waived; DB Victor “Macho” Harris signed and CB Kevin Dockery signed.

I recall Dockery playing for Giants.  Don't think he started.  Pretty sure he was nickel.  OK player.
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« Reply #13 on: Aug 22, 2011 at 13:27 »

Trai Essex was in town, picking up some dry cleaning, delivering half-eaten pizzas to Colbert and Co., playing "Guess what?... Chicken butt!" with coach Tomlin, that sort of thing. 

He's also promoting his new book on Amazon titled Things on Trai's Trai:  Trai Essex likes to eat and dammit he wants to get his old job back, a collection of heart-warming tales culled from Google available in two $37 installments.
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« Reply #14 on: Aug 22, 2011 at 14:30 »

OK, haven't updated this since Philly. 

QB (3) [/u]

The order of QB1 and QB2 is clear at this point.  Dennis Dixon remains an enigma, but he’s received the most preseason snaps, whereas Charlie Batch has received all of 4 snaps.  That tells me that while Dixon isn’t getting quality looks, the FO may see Batch as a guy who they don’t have to use a roster spot on, and can call up at any time in the season if need be.  Besides, Dixon as QB3 can be inserted in packages to add legs to a play. 

Every other site will tell you it’s Batch over Dixon.  If we keep 3, as I suspect, those sites are wrong.

B. Roethlisberger – LOCK
B. Leftwich – LOCK
D. Dixon – 80%
C. Batch – 20%



RB (4)[/u]

Moore appears to be a lock of questionable value:  a coach favorite who adds little.  But there’s not much behind him, so that settles it.  We’ve gone with 4 RBs on the roster the last few years, and Dwyer is trying to work his way back into the mix, but it would not surprise me if we go with 3 RBs, or add a waiver wire FA.  In any event, Dwyer leads preseason carries but has the worst YPA of all backs with 2.8.  Some of that is surrounding cast, some not.  John Clay has 5 carries: not enough.

R. Mendenhall – LOCK
I. Redman – LOCK
M. Moore –LOCK
J. Dwyer – 60%
Waiver wire FA – 40%



WR (5)[/u]

Again, the new kickoff rule devalues Arnaz Battle’s value, and Tyler Grisham hasn’t shown enough to warrant a spot.  I’d be very surprised if we went 6 deep, but if we do, look for the guy to be Battle.

H. Ward – LOCK
M. Wallace – LOCK
E. Sanders – LOCK
A. BROWN – LOCK
J. Cotchery – LOCK




TE (3)[/u]

An uninspiring lot.  Johnson looks to make it as the quasi-FB guy.  Gilmore looks to make it because he showed decent vet skills.  Saunders may be a practice squad priority unless he’s lights-out these last two games.  Odds are against him.

H. Miller – LOCK
D. Johnson – 95%
J. Gilmore – 85%
W. Saunders – 10%

*Free agent waiver – 5%



OL (10)[/u]

Upping the OL depth from 9 of previous versions to 10.  We’ve seen too much volatility on the line, so we stock up in quantity what we lack in quality.

Chris Scott has been a disappointment, and I don’t know that Keith Williams is there yet either.  I strongly suspect one of either Max Starks or Trai Essex is re-signed.

M. Pouncey – LOCK
W. Colon – LOCK
M. Gilbert – LOCK
J. Scott – LOCK
C. Kemoeatu - LOCK
D. Legursky – LOCK
R. Foster – 95%
T. Hills – 95%
C. Scott – 60%
K. Williams – 50%
*Free agent waiver G/T – 100% - includes F. Adams, M. Starks, T. Essex.



DL (6)[/u]

I still have Steve McClendon missing the cut with the young ends we’ve added, and Anthony Gray being a priority practice squad candidate.

C. Hampton – LOCK
A. Smith – LOCK
B. Keisel – LOCK
E.Z. Hood – LOCK
C. Heyward – LOCK
C. Hoke – LOCK


ILB (4)[/u]

Appears to be a safe bet, although Mortty Ivy has shown enough to be a practice squad priority.

J. Farrior – LOCK
L. Timmons – LOCK
S. Sylvester – LOCK
L. Foote – LOCK


OLB (4)[/u]

The OLB position makes much more sense with my brainfart of Chris Carter resolved.  Worilds is still not playing instinctively, but I still think he’s too valuable an investment not to make the cut:  expect him to get a lot of early reps from here on out. 

Chris Carter and Chris Ellis got an even number of reps, but I have to think Carter is favored here.  The FO could retain 5 OLBs, but it seems more likely that they would want to add an extra DB.

J. Harrison – LOCK
L. Woodley – LOCK
J. Worilds – LOCK
Chris Carter – 95%
C. Ellis – 5%



S (4)[/u]

Mundy played well enough to likely seal the deal.  Will Allen has spent some time injured but is another Tomlin fave.  DCS is a long shot.

T. Polamalu – LOCK
R. Clark – LOCK
R. Mundy – 95%
W. Allen – 95%
D. Cromartie-Smith – 10%

CB (7)[/u]

The gimpy McFadden and mostly wretched Wimsy Gay are likely sticking on the bird in the hand theory.  Curtis Brown dipped his toes in the action and will hopefully show more, but he’s too high an investment to cut.  Keenan Lewis showed he can run the deep routes, sort of Ike’s skill set.

Cortez Allen will prove you can’t make the team from the tub.  A long look at Donovan Warren showed a guy with skills that fit our system pretty well.  Look for Allen to be a priority practice squad guy, or even wind up on IR.  Possibility of a waiver FA exists, or that one of the recently signed duo of Kevin Dockery and Macho Harris could also earn a spot, but it seems less likely now.  The big surprise here is Warren.

I. Taylor – LOCK
B. McFadden – 95%
W. Gay – 95%
C. Brown – 95%
K. Lewis – 90%
C. Butler – 90%
Donovan Warren -70%
C. Allen – 20%
*Free agent waiver – 10%




Specialists (3)[/u]

S. Suisham – LOCK%
D. Sepulveda – LOCK
Greg Warren - LOCK


Practice Squad (Cool

WR Tyler Grisham
LB Mortty Ivy
NT Anthony Gray
DB Damon Cromartie-Smith
OG Keith Williams
T Kyle Jolly
TE Weslye Saunders
S Brett Greenwood

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