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« on: Aug 15, 2011 at 09:20 »

Need to put a smackdown on these guys.  Screw you, Pete Carrol.
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« Reply #1 on: Sep 13, 2011 at 12:55 »

I cannot remember the last time a team got smacked down as badly as Pittsburgh did last week, only to come back a 14.5 favorite the following week.
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« Reply #2 on: Sep 13, 2011 at 13:26 »

I cannot remember the last time a team got smacked down as badly as Pittsburgh did last week, only to come back a 14.5 favorite the following week.

14.5 = (9/11/11 expectations - 9/11/11 outcomes) * (Steelers talent - Seahawks talent)

In other words, you piss of a good team, give them home field, and bring in a team with no QB, there's gonna be a beatdown.  Now, I don't know about 14.5.  Could be 10, could be 30.  But it ain't gonna be pretty.
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« Reply #3 on: Sep 13, 2011 at 14:22 »

And we still won't know what they are - except that they can beat who they should.
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« Reply #4 on: Sep 13, 2011 at 14:36 »

Seahawks-Steelers game will have a familiar referee
Posted by Mike Florio on September 13, 2011, 1:08 PM EDT
 Getty ImagesThere’s nothing like picking at an old scar to generate some page views.

When the Seahawks visit the Steelers on Sunday in Pittsburgh, the same man who served as the referee for Super Bowl XL will be wearing the white hat.

Bill Leavy, the man whom many Seahawks fan believe should be wearing a shirt that has not black and white stripes but black and yellow, has gotten the assignment, per Danny O’Neil of the Seattle Times.

“I kicked two calls in the fourth quarter, and I impacted the game,” Leavy admitted in August 2010. “And as an official, you never want to do that.”

Someone has a great sense of humor.  Or, as Seahawks fans would likely put it, a very sick one.

For the Steelers, it’ll be a trip down memory lane, to a time when everyone thought the franchise had the league office in its back pocket, instead of the current perception that the NFL is constantly trying to get into the Steelers’ wallets.

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« Reply #5 on: Sep 18, 2011 at 11:29 »

Steelers 42 Sea Haggs 17
Roethlisberger 325 yds 4 TDS Wallace x2 Brown and Ward
Mendenhall 125 2 tds
D 5 sacks 1 pick
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« Reply #6 on: Sep 18, 2011 at 11:57 »

Anyone have a decent online link for the game?
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« Reply #7 on: Sep 18, 2011 at 12:48 »

That was a nice TD run.  Redman has a nose for the EZ.
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« Reply #8 on: Sep 18, 2011 at 12:49 »

It sounded good... sigh.  Wish I could see it lol
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« Reply #9 on: Sep 18, 2011 at 13:10 »

Uh oh.  Ben's knee, that didn't look pretty. 
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« Reply #10 on: Sep 18, 2011 at 13:12 »

So Gilbert gets Ben sacked by not getting out on a block in the first quarter, then gets beat on a simple spin move and trips the rusher into the leg of his quarterback.

Great fucking start to a career!
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« Reply #11 on: Sep 18, 2011 at 14:10 »

Wallace caught the back half of the ball.  Sweet pass, sweet catch.  And Dermonti Dawson looked good, he didn't get all Fridge Perry'd.
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« Reply #12 on: Sep 18, 2011 at 14:15 »

Missed a 40 yarder.  Not nice.  Defense still pitching a shut out though.
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« Reply #13 on: Sep 18, 2011 at 14:16 »

Some interesting scores out there, TEN 20 BAL 10, you gotta love that!  Carolina was beating the Pack but now it's about what you'd expect 20-13 Pack.
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« Reply #14 on: Sep 18, 2011 at 14:17 »

Jacksonville is looking just awful.
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« Reply #15 on: Sep 18, 2011 at 21:46 »

Lol go figure - Seahags don't draw quite the traffic to the gameday thread the Ravens do.

Very good, solid, no doubt performance on both sides of the ball.  However, it was Seattle at home.
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« Reply #16 on: Sep 19, 2011 at 11:39 »

Well, as Jonz mentioned earlier in the thread, we didn't find out much about this team other than they can beat the teams they're definitely supposed to beat.  And, when you take a look at the rest of the 2011 sked, they're a lot of teams that fall into that category.  With the exception of Houston, New England and Baltimore again, it should be quite the easy road.  St Louis could be a challenge on Christmas, but it's @ Heinz in December so they've got the edge there.  The rest of them are goddamned cupcakes.  Not exactly the kind of primer you'd like to have for a playoff bound team.

Let me stop there because I'm getting ahead of myself.  Way ahead.

As to yesterday's game, Seattle looked fucking abysmal.  A couple guys looked into it on defense and about the only guy that showed up on offense was Marshawn Lynch.  It's really too bad about that guy's choice of employers because he's an absolute beast.  I didn't think it was possible, but Tavaris Jackson actually looks worse than he did in Minnesota.  Clearly, they made the right move in letting Hasselhoff go.

Anything short of a token FG or TD allowed to these guys would've been completely unacceptable.  As bad as some teams have looked after two games, I'd say Seattle is neck and neck with KC (surprisingly, at least to me) in the Andrew Luck lottery.

Despite the score, I've gotta say, I don't like what I saw from a lot of guys wearing the Black and Gold.  Offensively, the offensive line...the offensive line...the offensive line.  The.  Offensive.  Line.  It's fucking painful to watch.  For every 6-8 dropbacks, they can form a decent pocket maybe one time.  BR got (and will continue to get) blasted back there.  And, nothing's really gonna change about that other than how many times he gets hit based on the quality of the defense they're facing. 

#7's decision making and passes are really questionable too.  I attribute some of that to what the offensive line is giving him to work with, but he just doesn't look sharp.  I assume it has to do with the lack of offseason training, but he'll throw a perfect strike to Wallace on a slant pattern, only to toss a lolipop out into the flat where a LBer is just standing there, defending a zone.  Luckily for him, Aaron Curry makes his living stuffing the run, not catching footballs.  The offense just doesn't seem to be in rhythm.  Everything feels very forced.  Again, I think a lot of it is due to his jitteriness behind that O-line, but you'd think he'd be used to playing with a bunch of scared vaginas by now.

And, please don't get me started on Mendenhall.  The spinning; the fumbling; the carrying the rock like a loaf of bread (reminiscent of Burress); the turning your back to the offensive line; the happy feet when he gets in a running lane...Jesus tap dancing Christ, man.  Hasn't Ben taught you anything??  Hit that motherfucking hole hard!!  Deliver the goddamned blow!!  Your fundamentals are shit.  Here's an easy way to work on things.  Just watch what little tape there is on Redman.  He knows what's up.  You're supposed to be a power back, right?  Sometimes I wonder if he dreams of being Darren Sproles.  You don't have those kinda moves, Broski.  Sorry.

There were some bright spots, but not a ton of them.  Hines gonna Hines...Wallace gonna Wallace...Sanders gonna Sanders...when they get the chance.

Overall though, there wasn't much to crow about, IMO.  Kinda crazy to say about a NFL team that shuts out their opponent in 2011, but that's just how I felt when I was watching it.  Best news of the day was finding out that Ben's knee injury wasn't serious.

I dunno.  After re-reading, maybe I'm being overly harsh, but it was a weird game; like watching the varsity squad beat up on the freshman team.  You expect them to win and do it convincingly, but without mistakes, mental lapses or gaffes.

Hopefully the Colts continue to ride the Kerry Collins train and don't switch it up and go with Painter.  He's no Manning (obv), but at least he knows the system.
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« Reply #17 on: Sep 19, 2011 at 12:15 »

I think you're spot-on, aj.  OL, OL, oh hell.  I watched a bit of the SD @ NE game and watching Beardy just stand there with seemingly 6 seconds on every play is astounding, it's no wonder he can toss a beautiful 40 yard rainbow that hits his WR in stride as he jets into the ez. 

And I've had about enough of Mendenhall, same reasons.  Player better watch it or Redman will have him on the bench.

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« Reply #18 on: Sep 19, 2011 at 13:26 »

Marshawn Lynch.  It's really too bad about that guy's choice of employers because he's an absolute beast.

IIRC he didn't have much of a choice at all, it was Seattle or out of the league.
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« Reply #19 on: Sep 19, 2011 at 13:28 »

Crazy assed motherfucking season.  CBA-shortened prep, followed by all-time record points scored the first two weeks:  all offense, all the time.  The logic of Jax beats Tenn beats Balty is staggering.  Several teams have legit stakes in the Luck race, not only Seattle and KC:  Minnesota (tough division), Indy (look fucking miserable with Collins)... but give KC the edge early, with 10 PF and 89 PA.  AFCN all knotted up at 1-1 apiece, too.  Freakish.  Pitt has the look of a team that's destined for 9-7 except for a sched so weak they'd have to work hard not to hit a winning record.

Seattle does have a few guys of talent on D, including a solid front 7 and my draft hope of 2009, S Earl Thomas.  Ben abused CB Brandon Browner, and rightfully so.  In fact, it should have been worse.  That guy should have checked himself out of the game in fucking tears with the Steelers up something like 42-0.  But predictably the OL was like a bag of ready-to-serve salad:  pre-shredded for your convenience and looking wilted from the opening.  

Let me just bitch.  The fact that the FO and the coaches were perfuckly happy to enter this season with Jon Scott at LT, and don’t show me aggregated protection percentages that prove Scott is somehow “serviceable” or I may puke in your eye, with NO apparent concern that he might be a liability, and NO apparent desire to upgrade him, leaves me dizzy from shaking my head.  Scott is a backup, period.  He’s gonna get Ben killed.  Gilbert gets slack for being a rookie, but are they seriously considering grooming him for LT?  For realz?  Yeah, let’s hope not.  Meanwhile, Ramon Foster outplayed Kemo, not showing any “looking for the butterflies” moments Kemo is renowned for.  (“Looking for the butterflies?” asked Mrs. F.  “Yeah, a couple of times a game he gets so confused by a stunt or loop that he appears to be looking for butterflies.”)  Pouncey continues to improve and shows the best upfield hustle of anyone on the line.  Legursky is just out of his element.  Another backup we’re trying to convince ourselves can actually start, when clearly the Super Bowl proved otherwise, and no lifting of the finger by the front office and coaching klan (the FOCK, for short) to improve.  Well, unless you count table scraps at the ass end of the draft the last few years and undrafteds.  Yay.  Gilbert is an incomplete so far, but he did produce the cringe-worthy miss on the low hit that almost ended the season.

I know we’re $20M over the cap, but can we at least fix the RT side of the picture?  Call Flo, and run a line from left to right of (ugh) Jon Scott, Foster, Pouncey, Gilbert, Flo.  That would be a massive right side, and we’d be no worse on the blind.

OK, but Ben is still having the usual bullshit where he looks sharp in camp and then comes out and appears to actually be Will Farrell impersonating Ben Roethlisberger.  Sailing a ton of passes, Mr. Hyde improvisation, still not fully in synch with the wideouts.  Ben personifies the maddening disparity between how good you know this team can be, and how unevenly it actually does play.

I couldn’t discern a game plan last week, since every time we had the ball we gift wrapped the motherfucker, but Arians seemed to do a better job of attacking the weak spot (Browner), getting Redman some carries, and finding all three young receivers.  But Arians still bugs the balls off me sometimes.  David Johnson keeps whiffing blocks and has no other discernable value.  I’m getting all misty for the Carey Davis era.  Opposing defensive coordinators are getting dispatches that read What hath God wrought?, because Arians cannot help but telegraph plays, especially runs.  Legursky as a fullback, BTW, is even less successful than Legursky as guard, so chew on that, BA.  And the inside running game, without a decent pair of guards, cannot open running lanes for Mendy.  I’d be surprised if they can open child-proof aspirin containers.  Seems like Mendy shoots through holes the size of dimes and has success getting the outside, but re the only guy who could make something out of the lack of running lanes would be Adrian Peterson.  Arians still refuses to throw to Miller, despite the fact that he’s a bull in YAC.  In general, Arians is a champ against chumps but can’t overcome swarming defenses, so there’s a sense of false security in this win.

Mendenhall has the skills to be a top 10 back in the league, were it not for the fact that he cannot count to 3.  Three points of contact secure the ball, dumbass, not some cup of the hands.  This ain’t your girlfriend’s tittie, son.  Overall, I still think he’s a great runner, but hopefully we’ll see more Redman to soften the defenses and get carries in SY/GL situations.  

Two quotes from the Seahawks game that Mrs. Finny found humorous:  “Hines Ward would eat his own appendix and keep on playing!” and “Ben Roethlisberger could have his head torn off and keep on playing!”  I realize that Hines has already had his appendix removed, and Ben has lost parts of his head already, but they are tough SOBs.  And we had our first sighting of the smiling Hines so far this season.

On defense, rotating Foote in seems less about allowing Farrior to get some oxygen and more about how slow Farrior looks.  Hey, why not rotate in Sylvester for a few series?  And speaking of slow, the DL is showing it.  I love these guys, and they have been superb for years, but Aaron Smith simply does not look the same, and neither does Keisel.  We’ve seen some good stuff from Hood, and Hood should start getting reps at the RDE spot soon.  Also, anyone else impressed with Steve McClendon?  Third and longs I want McClendon in for some disruption.

Ike is having a very good season so far.  Has he allowed any completions to his receivers?

Some odd coaching decisions.  Beyond the usual ream of Arian creepishness.  LeBeau’s front 7 rotations seem to be less about preserving the vets’ health and more about preserving their egos, as they still aren’t being particularly disruptive.  Late in the Seahawks game, yes, but I don’t see the swarming pressure schemes, and I don’t see speed.  Tomlin’s challenge was a challenge wasted, and not even a challenge wasted in a way that made situational sense.  It was just a waste.  But better that than wasting your franchise QB, which was what he risked keeping 7 on the field late in a blowout.  Keisel was kept out after his knee injury for precaution, but not Ben?  And if you’re going to send someone in to relieve Ben after the injury, why Batch?  Seriously, Batch is no running threat, the formation shows run, it’s DOA.  At least get the young guy live reps and preserve the illusion you may actually be going for 7.  
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« Reply #20 on: Sep 19, 2011 at 14:37 »

I think you're spot-on, aj.  OL, OL, oh hell.  I watched a bit of the SD @ NE game and watching Beardy just stand there with seemingly 6 seconds on every play is astounding, it's no wonder he can toss a beautiful 40 yard rainbow that hits his WR in stride as he jets into the ez. 

And I've had about enough of Mendenhall, same reasons.  Player better watch it or Redman will have him on the bench.



Redman is the shit. No nonsense, north-south. I get so sick of seeing Mendenhall dance like a freaking butterfly and spin like a top. Hit the hole or opposing player and go.
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« Reply #21 on: Sep 19, 2011 at 15:40 »

Marshawn Lynch.  It's really too bad about that guy's choice of employers because he's an absolute beast.

IIRC he didn't have much of a choice at all, it was Seattle or out of the league.

You're probably right.  I don't recall the details.  Still, congrats to Seattle on snagging a solid, starter quality, 3 down back for a case of Mountain Dew and a bag of sunflower seeds.  Pretty sure he costs less against the cap than MeMo.

And the inside running game, without a decent pair of guards, cannot open running lanes for Mendy.  I’d be surprised if they can open child-proof aspirin containers.

You know, those things are a bitch.
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« Reply #22 on: Sep 20, 2011 at 09:31 »

I agree with a lot of points up thread, with a couple of additional two cents to throw in.

-- Our neglect of the Offensive Line has me furious, too. It's bullshit. This is a QB's league. We happen to have a great one. So what do we do? Run an offensive line on a fucking shoestring. It's a disgrace. We invest big money in 36-year-old LBs and DEs, spend 1st-round picks on DEs that play part-time, let go an excellent-for-the-money solution at RT in Flozell. I do think that elsewhere on the team, we're well-positioned to replace aging players with young guys we've developed, but with the O-Line, we're at ground zero almost. We should have traded up a few spots in the 2010 draft to get a good LT, as there were a few solid prospects well within reach at the end of round 1.

-- I personally think Mendenhall has the potential to be a 1500-yards-per-year back. He can hit people like a tank but has some quick feet as well. Too quick, to be sure, as his dance-to-hammer ratio is too high. But can you blame him, running behind the shit he's dealing with? Jesus, if you got Ngata'd in the face right after getting the ball, you'd be ready to do a spin move as soon as you approached the LOS, too.

I think it is time to expand Redman's role in the offense, though. Something tells me that if Mendy sat out a game, Redman would put up a buck fifty as a starter.
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