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« on: Nov 07, 2011 at 09:02 »

Dear Kevin Colbert,

If Shaun Suisham can't be trusted for a 47 yarder then he must be replaced.

Cordially,

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« Reply #1 on: Nov 07, 2011 at 09:05 »

I don't trust him from 37.

What was that one right before the half? 50? Didn't think he'd make that.
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« Reply #2 on: Nov 07, 2011 at 09:05 »

Would ya?

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On November 18, 2010, two days after Reed was released by the Steelers, the Cincinnati Bengals offered Reed a contract. However, he declined.

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On December 2, 2010, Reed signed with the San Francisco 49ers to replace their injured kicker, Joe Nedney. Reed had a good outing in his first game, going 3 for 3, including a field goal from 44 yards out.

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Reed signed with the Seattle Seahawks on August 3, 2011, but was released on September 4.

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« Reply #3 on: Nov 07, 2011 at 09:06 »

I don't trust him from 37.

What was that one right before the half? 50? Didn't think he'd make that.

Seems like I heard that he's something like 4 for 7 from 30-39.  That's unacceptable.  If you have 3 misses from 30-39 then you need to have about 95 attempts IMO.
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« Reply #4 on: Nov 07, 2011 at 09:10 »

Suisham's not nearly as good this year as he was last year, but what I can't for the life of me understand is why Tomlin doesn't approach being between, say, the 35-28 yard lines as four-down territory at the open end of the field. The proverbial wad doesn't have to be blown on third down all the time, especially if you know your kicker can't fucking make the FG from that far out.
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« Reply #5 on: Nov 07, 2011 at 09:19 »

Suisham's not nearly as good this year as he was last year, but what I can't for the life of me understand is why Tomlin doesn't approach being between, say, the 35-28 yard lines as four-down territory at the open end of the field. The proverbial wad doesn't have to be blown on third down all the time, especially if you know your kicker can't fucking make the FG from that far out.

It's too outside the box for Tomlin.
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« Reply #6 on: Nov 07, 2011 at 09:52 »

Suisham's not nearly as good this year as he was last year, but what I can't for the life of me understand is why Tomlin doesn't approach being between, say, the 35-28 yard lines as four-down territory at the open end of the field. The proverbial wad doesn't have to be blown on third down all the time, especially if you know your kicker can't fucking make the FG from that far out.

It's too outside the box for Tomlin.

Unless I'm missing something, Tomlin never seems to pull out wins based on in-game (or hell, even pre-game) coaching moves (a la Bill Bellichik - sp?). Further, he has a propensity for not being able to perform even the most basic of HC tasks. So I ask - why is he still coaching the Steelers?
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« Reply #7 on: Nov 07, 2011 at 10:14 »

Tomlin has earned a pretty long rope IMO.  I have complaints but am in no way ready to run the guy out of town.  There's room for improvement and I bet he does. 

:blinders:

Really though, how much of a genius is Belichick? Since the defeat to the NYG in the Superbowl to finish 18-1, the Patsies have not won a single playoff game.  So there's that.
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« Reply #8 on: Nov 07, 2011 at 10:22 »

You have the patience of a saint.

Re: BB, sure he's had a bad playoff record since 18-1, but dude wins 75 percent (yes, 3/4) of the time his team plays. That's freaking incredible, and it's due largely to the schemes he puts in place (and I look to the Cassell 11-5 season for proof).
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« Reply #9 on: Nov 07, 2011 at 11:03 »

Re: BB, sure he's had a bad playoff record since 18-1, but dude wins 75 percent (yes, 3/4) of the time his team plays. That's freaking incredible, and it's due largely to the schemes he puts in place (and I look to the Cassell 11-5 season for proof).

IMO, having #12 running those schemes has as much, if not moreso, to do with his success.
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« Reply #10 on: Nov 07, 2011 at 13:26 »

Giving all the credit to Belicheck for the Patsies success is kind of like giving Erik Spoelstra credit for the Heat making the NBA Finals.  When you have one of the best players of all time playing the most important position, a lot of that takes care of itself.  This season in particular I think shows the flaws in Belicheck's game, even moreso as a GM/talent evaluator.  He put that defense together and he just assumes he can sign everyone's shitty/disgruntled players and they will just work.  How's that Ochocinco signing going?

But yeah, anyone who wants Tomlin gone is kind of an idiot.  Dude isn't a master in-game coach, but he gets the players ready and deviates to his assistants to keep the gameplans in place.  You could argue he is too trusting of his assistants, but Tomlin wasn't brought in here because of his schemes.  He was hired because he's a leader.  Leave the scheming to the coordinators, Head Coaches get too much credit/blame when a team is playing very well or very poorly.
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« Reply #11 on: Nov 07, 2011 at 13:41 »

Belichick is 167-97 (.633).......Tomlin is 49-24 (.671).......
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« Reply #12 on: Nov 07, 2011 at 13:44 »

Giving all the credit to Belicheck for the Patsies success is kind of like giving Erik Spoelstra credit for the Heat making the NBA Finals.  When you have one of the best players of all time playing the most important position, a lot of that takes care of itself.  This season in particular I think shows the flaws in Belicheck's game, even moreso as a GM/talent evaluator.  He put that defense together and he just assumes he can sign everyone's shitty/disgruntled players and they will just work.  How's that Ochocinco signing going?

But yeah, anyone who wants Tomlin gone is kind of an idiot.  Dude isn't a master in-game coach, but he gets the players ready and deviates to his assistants to keep the gameplans in place.  You could argue he is too trusting of his assistants, but Tomlin wasn't brought in here because of his schemes.  He was hired because he's a leader.  Leave the scheming to the coordinators, Head Coaches get too much credit/blame when a team is playing very well or very poorly.

Anyone who wants Tomlin gone is "kind of an idiot"? If you're going to be a prick, at least don't beat around the bush. BTW, it's "delegate," not "deviate."

Anyway, if you want to get into personnel decisions, Tomlin is pedestrian/borderline terrible. You've already acknowledged he isn't much of an in-game coach (which should be a min. qual. of any NFL-caliber HC, IMO).

If he's "deviating" to his assistants to keep the game plan in place, that suggests he created the game plan. For how many years have we been bitching about the offense's game plan?

In terms of being a leader, who does he inspire? Ben doesn't listen to him. Arians doesn't either. The team has come out flat and unprepared numerous times during his tenure.

But if you like coach speak, he's your man.
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« Reply #13 on: Nov 07, 2011 at 13:53 »

Games without Tom Brady.....Belichick is 51-60 (.459).....
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« Reply #14 on: Nov 07, 2011 at 14:05 »

Guys, seriously, of all the things Steeler fans should be bitching and moaning about, the competency of the head coach shouldn't be one of them.

He's not perfect and he has things he needs to improve on, but he's still a damn good coach.  Remember, he's only got 4 seasons as "The Man" under his belt.

Nowhere to go but up, IMO.

Edit:  Besides, at least his last name isn't Sandusky or Paterno.
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« Reply #15 on: Nov 07, 2011 at 14:14 »

Now get me a damn kicker fer chrissakes!
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« Reply #16 on: Nov 07, 2011 at 15:45 »

Week 4: Mendenhall should be cut.

Week 8: Tomlin should be fired.

Week 12: Colbert should be canned.

Week 16: The cheap-ass Rooneys should sell the team.

Careful or you'll blow out a knee jerking it too much.

I do like coach speak though.  Especially when it's at the Super Bowl media day.
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« Reply #17 on: Nov 07, 2011 at 16:02 »

Pump the brakes a bit. If I would have told you we will be 6-3 going into the bye week most of you would be content. Last 7 games ---

Cincinnati-W
KC - W
Cincinnati -W
Cleveland -W
San Fran- L
St Louis - W
Cleveland- W

I think worst case scenario we finish 11-5. Just get to the playoffs and let our experience take over.
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« Reply #18 on: Nov 07, 2011 at 16:08 »

Steelers won't go 4-0 against the Browns/Bengals.
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« Reply #19 on: Nov 07, 2011 at 19:15 »

Steelers won't go 4-0 against the Browns/Bengals.

I have to agree with that.  Steelers are 1-3 against teams that currently have a winning record.  Fortunately though, they only have 3 remaining games against two teams with winning records.  They could go 11-5 and conceivably get a WC spot while the Ravens rent the division for the year.

So, 5-2 the rest of the way is the order here.  Go 4-0 against the bad teams and 1-2 against the 49ers and the Bengals.  If they can't manage better than 10-6 there will another with a better conference record - Steelers already have 3 losses in that column.

Knowing what I know now, if they can knock off the Ravens in the playoffs I'd consider this a successful season.
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« Reply #20 on: Nov 07, 2011 at 19:24 »

I think worst case scenario we finish 11-5. Just get to the playoffs and let our experience take over.


I'd usually be right there with ya Brinker but I'm not feeling the optimism this year.  Steelers are a solid contender for the Wild Card at best.  They've allowed a pedestrian 162 points and scored an unimpressive 196.  They're in 3rd place in their own division in both categories and in the standings!

Who knows man?  I'm trying to talk myself into drinking the Kool-Aid but I ain't quite there yet  helmet ninja
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« Reply #21 on: Nov 07, 2011 at 20:08 »

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Week 4: Mendenhall should be cut.

If I said he should be cut, then I apologize.  That was knee-jerk to be sure.  But I still think that Redman should be getting equal carries if not starting.

Let me add:  Thought the Oline and RM played well in the run game last night.  They just needed to run it one more time.

I really disagree with the way LeBeau handled things at the end of the game, but I don't think he should be fired. I'd say the same for Tomlin.  This team really overachieved last year IMO; and they have pulled it together after some tough losses.  Hoping they can bounce back for the rest of the 2nd half of the season.

Back to the topic:  We pulled a guy off the scrap heap last year and it worked out.  Perhaps we should try to do it again.
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« Reply #22 on: Nov 07, 2011 at 21:42 »

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If I said he should be cut, then I apologize.  That was knee-jerk to be sure.  But I still think that Redman should be getting equal carries if not starting.

You're not alone in that boat.  I've said it several times and I'll say it again.  Mendenhall is fortunate he was a R1 pick.  If he was a late rounder, he'd be backing Redman up.

One more year left on his deal after 2011.  I'd be very surprised if they bring him back.  He is not worth a big second contract.  TBH, I don't think any RB is worth it anymore.  With the way the game has shifted, RBs have really become dispensable.  How many Super Bowl teams have had a high priced, marquee RB lately?  If anything, I think they might be more of an albatross, cap~wise.  Give a RB a huge deal and you can't afford to get yourself a franchise QB.

Along with S and OL (amazingly, maybe even LB too), a RB should be a target in the first three rounds of next years draft.
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« Reply #23 on: Nov 08, 2011 at 07:34 »

Along with S and OL (amazingly, maybe even LB too), a RB should be a target in the first three rounds of next years draft.

Yeah, I'd concur, even on LB. Thought to myself that we actually need to get stronger up the middle of the D. We'll soon (if not in 2012) need a NT, already need another MLB, and need a ball-hawking, able-to-cover-deep S.

We should be able to find a decent RB AFTER the first rounds. I'd like us to go DB/OL 1st then DB/OL/LB/NT 2nd and 3RD.

I also think they need a kicker, but if they take a punter or kicker prior to the fifth, I will go ballistic.
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« Reply #24 on: Nov 08, 2011 at 10:57 »

The main reason (besides not stopping Slacco on 3rd down all night) was horrible end of game clock management.  In no way would I want to get rid of Tomlin, this has to be addressed as it's 2 weeks in a row when we could've put the game out of reach with a few runs and a field goal.  Luckily the Pats were actually inept and we won but the Ravens took full advantage and beat us hands down.  How can Tomlin be at this level and not know how to handle the clock?  It's pee wee football shit we're talking about here.....

I know it's just how it goes with injuries and the best teams win with them but if Woodley's on that field along with the way Harrison was playing, they wouldn't have converted that many 3rd/longs and we take them down.  So frustrating
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« Reply #25 on: Nov 09, 2011 at 10:19 »

Who knows what the Bengals do the rest of the season, but we could see both wild card teams from the AFCN.
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