Maximum Grilled Steelers Forum
Apr 24, 2014 at 11:28 *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
 
  Home   Forum   Help Calendar Media Login Register  
Pages: 1 2 3 [All]   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: The more things stay the same the less they change  (Read 978 times)
jonzr
Asst. VP, Jonzring
Global Moderator
Old School Member
*****

Karma: 11360
Online Online

Posts: 11,339


Have a cup o' joe.


WWW
« on: Jan 09, 2012 at 08:24 »

But the more they suck.  The team is stagnant.  But I expect the status quo and thus we're likely to see a continued decline as Ben ages.  That's right folks, he is now injured more than he's healthy and that ain't changing.  If the coaching staff and offensive philosophy remain the same, this team's run is over.  Draft picks will not fix this mess.

Things needed:

It's a short list.  Until these things are fixed, nothing else matters, they're only distractions.
« Last Edit: Jan 09, 2012 at 08:30 by jonzr » Logged

"I like David Bowie, he was always my favorite member of Tin Machine."
- Rodney Anonymous

It's a Steeler Nation
Big Virgil
Old School Member
*****

Karma: 3768
Offline Offline

Posts: 3,244



« Reply #1 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 08:50 »

Was just havign the morning office football discussion.  A couple of people said "the Bronco's kept runing the same plays, why didn't the Steelers change up what they were doing?"  And, "every 1st down for the Bronco's, the Steelers brought everyone up towards the line.  I can't believe they didn't throw it deep more often on 1st down"  That's what happened on the first/last play of overtime.

In other words any regular fan can see the obvious which escapes the Steelers.  The perplexing part is this is no different than when Cowher was coaching.  Horrible game planning, no adjustment to the game when they are getting killed, etc etc.
Logged

Looks like you've been missing a lot of work lately.
I wouldn't say I've been *missing* it, Bob.
jonzr
Asst. VP, Jonzring
Global Moderator
Old School Member
*****

Karma: 11360
Online Online

Posts: 11,339


Have a cup o' joe.


WWW
« Reply #2 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 09:11 »

They were over playing the run, for sure.  But Dick LeBeau is the 3rd rail of Steeler football.  Yet it was the defense more than the offense that blew this game.  23 pts should have been more than enough.  Yeah, they were down players.  So were the Broncos.  So were all the other teams that shut down the Broncos. 

Statistically the Steelers had the #1 defense.  But I think everyone on this board knows the reality of the 2011 defense, it's the worse one we've seen in the last decade.  To steal a Tomlinism, fooseball is not played with statistics.
Logged

"I like David Bowie, he was always my favorite member of Tin Machine."
- Rodney Anonymous

It's a Steeler Nation
jonzr
Asst. VP, Jonzring
Global Moderator
Old School Member
*****

Karma: 11360
Online Online

Posts: 11,339


Have a cup o' joe.


WWW
« Reply #3 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 09:15 »

Quote
COACHING:  F

The season ended the same way it began -- with a disjointed performance by the defense in which they were outexecuted, outperformed and outschemed by an 8-8 team. The offense didn't come to life until it was almost too late. Maybe the number of injuries to key players finally caught up to the Steelers. But the mistakes against the Broncos were made by the key players who remained, and that has not been their standard.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/12009/1202356-66-2.stm#ixzz1iyTb3LCv
Logged

"I like David Bowie, he was always my favorite member of Tin Machine."
- Rodney Anonymous

It's a Steeler Nation
jonzr
Asst. VP, Jonzring
Global Moderator
Old School Member
*****

Karma: 11360
Online Online

Posts: 11,339


Have a cup o' joe.


WWW
« Reply #4 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 09:17 »

Grabbing the third rail:  if Tomlin had half the sense of self-preservation of Cowher, he'd fire both coordinators today.
Logged

"I like David Bowie, he was always my favorite member of Tin Machine."
- Rodney Anonymous

It's a Steeler Nation
msdmnr2002
Old School Member
*****

Karma: 2836
Offline Offline

Posts: 2,606



WWW
« Reply #5 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 09:35 »

Quote
if Tomlin had half the sense of self-preservation of Cowher, he'd fire both coordinators today.

Do be fair, we've done nothing but heap praise on LeBeau for years (and rightly so).  He's human - would give him a pass.
Arians doesn't have that luxury. 

I don't think Tomlin can pull that trigger.  Not exactly "Steeler way" either.

Tomlin is still a young coach.  Hell, they talk about Sweeney at Clemson being young and learning; he's had the job 3 1/2 years, and Tomlin still isn't the age where Sweeney started.  The Ben playing situation was a direct result of that youth IMO.

I would like to see some definite growth soon, however.
Logged
jonzr
Asst. VP, Jonzring
Global Moderator
Old School Member
*****

Karma: 11360
Online Online

Posts: 11,339


Have a cup o' joe.


WWW
« Reply #6 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 09:36 »

That funny feeling in your head is called cognitive dissonance.  It's a bitch.
Logged

"I like David Bowie, he was always my favorite member of Tin Machine."
- Rodney Anonymous

It's a Steeler Nation
LambertsFrontTeeth
Old School Member
*****

Karma: 1617
Offline Offline

Posts: 1,462



« Reply #7 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 09:48 »

Jeez, can everyone just take a step back from the ledge!

Call me a Pollyanna, but everyone is over-reacting. I'm hardly a "glass-half-full" kind of guy, but this team is not that terrible.
In fact, one might argue that this team is over achieving for a team arguably already deep in the rebuilding phase.

Take note:

1) Our star receiver Hines Ward barely played down the stretch, since our THREE very capable young receivers have come into their own. Jerricho Cotchery is a fourth WR on this team!

2) We finished the game without ANY of our veteran defensive lineman playing. Indeed, the team already appears to have a solid replacement for A. Smith. Quite possibly Heyward will be solid as well. We finished the game without either of our NT's (Hamp and Hoke). McClendon is not a natural fit at NT, but appears to have great potential on DL as well.

3) We appear to already have a replacement for an aging Silverback. Worilds has played pretty well in spots.

4) Jury is still out on some of our younger DB's. Perhaps Lewis will develop into a starter.  Cortez Allen was playing great on ST's and seemed to be "getting it" before his injury last week.

5) We lost our number 1 RB last week -- but his undrafted FA backup appears to be a diamond in the rough. Had we won this game, everyone would be stoked by Redman's performance. It's possible that a player like Barron Batch will be able to help out next year, after getting a full season to rehab.

6) We have a potential perennial All-Pro at center (if he can stay healthy, that is).

7) We have a QB who managed to keep us in a game on the road in a hostile environment with only one leg. He's still a mere 29 years old.

Cool  Our HC has already coached 2 SB's and won one. He's not yet 40 years old.


We had too many injuries this year down the stretch to be competitive. We didn't have any of our first team starters on D line:

Add to that the fact that the defense is only half-way rebuilt : We still need an ILB and NT, likely help at S/DB.
And if the FO gets hot and finds talent at O line (for once), we have enough talent at the skill positions to be competitive for several years.   We did not reach for need at O line the last few drafts.  It's very possible that some lucky player at OL will fall to us in the top rounds this coming year.

I don't see this team as a stagnant collection of talent. I see this team as having tremendous potential whilst still having capable veterans that will allow this team to contend next year and the year after. Yeah, Arians leaves much to be desired, but Lebeau has been ingenious for years. We will miss Dick when he leaves. I'm not eager to see if Butler is able to keep the system together.

Just trying to put some things in perspective -- I hope for but do not expect a Super Bowl every year.  
« Last Edit: Jan 09, 2012 at 09:51 by LambertsFrontTeeth » Logged

"Dreith said I hit Sipe too hard. I hit him as hard as I could. Brian has a chance to go out of bounds and he decides not to. He knows I'm going to hit him. And I do. History."
- - - Jack Lambert, after referee Ben Dreith ejected him from a game for knocking out Browns QB Brian Sipe.
jonzr
Asst. VP, Jonzring
Global Moderator
Old School Member
*****

Karma: 11360
Online Online

Posts: 11,339


Have a cup o' joe.


WWW
« Reply #8 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 09:59 »

I hear ya.  But Monday is Burn It Down day for me.  24 hour rule.  Forecasts point to increasing sanity by weeks end.  However I predict that by then your optimism > mine.  I might be talked off the LeBeau ledge but if Arians remains on the staff then next season and the remainder of Tomlin's years in the 'Burgh are a wash, it's just a matter of waiting it out.  And final years of Ben's career will be wasted.
Logged

"I like David Bowie, he was always my favorite member of Tin Machine."
- Rodney Anonymous

It's a Steeler Nation
Manimal
Brownstains can suck my Member
****

Karma: 3859
Offline Offline

Posts: 538



« Reply #9 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 10:13 »

There's plenty of blame to go around, but it seems to me the coaching staff was set on trying to shut down Denver's running game and create 3rd-and-longs. And I don't think that was dumb thinking. If we'd played a soft zone to prevent the deep pass all night, the Broncos could well have piled up 250 yards rushing and we'd be screaming about that all over this board. Tebow completed four huge throws -- if one or two of them had been off or the reciever not made the catch, I believe we'd have seen a different result. We've put Ike on an island for years now, and most of the time it works. It didn't last night. That's life in the NFL, though.

We lost because we had no pass rush, because our offensive line couldn't protect Ben in the two-minute offense, and because our receiving corps couldn't make plays.

Fact is, Tebow made great throws and his receivers made great catches, too. Ben made a few nice throws but he failed to hit his receivers in stride downfield, and our receivers didn't perform well, with dropped passes and poor running after the catch.

In the offseason, I would add to our needs a big receiving target who can command respect in the middle of the field -- someone who can take Ward's role, essentially. We have Miller, but he's the only one, and he's got to block occassionally. A big wideout who can do some damage would be nice.
Logged
steelerfaninCO
Old School Member
*****

Karma: 1270
Offline Offline

Posts: 1,439



« Reply #10 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 10:26 »

It should be noted that on Denver's previous 22 1st down plays, they ran the ball 21 times. So when they showed run, the D brought 9 guys into the box. Mundy fucked up and bit on the play fake and couldn't get back in time. It should have been a 25-30 yard play, but with Mundy biting, it was game over.


I do have a problem with the lack of in game adjustments from LeBeau. How many deep passes are you going to get burned on, until you change the coverage? As for Ike, how many times do you get beat before you keep everything in front of you? A 30 yard play doesn't mean much there. A TD ends the game. Inexcusable.

As for the team, I'm sure they will be more than competitve next year. Plug the OL to make at it least just average, and they are in every game. I'm not really impressed with Worilds. Seems like Clark Haggans 2.0 to me, so would be nice to get some LB depth.
Logged

KTBFFH
Manimal
Brownstains can suck my Member
****

Karma: 3859
Offline Offline

Posts: 538



« Reply #11 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 10:27 »

Jeez, can everyone just take a step back from the ledge!

Call me a Pollyanna, but everyone is over-reacting. I'm hardly a "glass-half-full" kind of guy, but this team is not that terrible.
In fact, one might argue that this team is over achieving for a team arguably already deep in the rebuilding phase.

[...]

I don't see this team as a stagnant collection of talent. I see this team as having tremendous potential whilst still having capable veterans that will allow this team to contend next year and the year after.

I agree with this. Great point at #1, too, by the way. I think the suddenness of Ward's decline hurt the offense more than many of us realize. Without his physical presence breaking down zone coverage all day, our receiving corps was reduced to a set of smallish receivers with similar skill sets and lots of passes to the sidelines. I think we need to find a guy who can play his role to some extent in the offseason.

I also think we're not that far away. The Offensive line has often been terrible, but it has a chance to turn the corner next year. Max Starks is not a bad LT, and Gilbert looks like a keeper who could eventually become a very good LT. We're set at C for the next 12 years. An all-pro guard can often be found in the latter half of the first round, and honestly, that's all we need to solidify the O-Line: we don't need to add three pro bowlers. Just add one very good player, probably with either a 1st or 2nd round pick, and improve the depth a little bit.

We've got our next-generation defensive line in place, minus a nose tackle. The upcoming draft is shaping up to be a very good one for NT, though solid ones can be found all over the place.

At linebacker, we've got good young talent at two of four positions, and Worldis looks like he could replace Harrison when his time is up (which it isn't yet). We draft and coach up linebackers like no one else, so I'm not worried about this position.

We're close. Things might be bumpy again next year as we could potentially see a lot of quality vets go. That happens in this league. but I think the table is set for a very nice run in the 2012-2015 time frame.
Logged
Preacherman0
Old School Member
*****

Karma: 5808
Offline Offline

Posts: 4,784



WWW
« Reply #12 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 11:21 »

As beat up as the line was defensively, the DBs and safeties got suckered into dropping down.  Honestly, I'm a little surprised the Dline held up as well as it did. 

I'll give LeBeau a pass on this season, as we were older and less talented than we've been in a while.

Arians gets no pass.  I firmly believe that Ben played as well as he did in the 2nd half because he was shot up with pain killers at halftime.  The fact that we didn't run the ball more, used empty sets, etc. is on Arians.  The fact that Ben refuses to take the check-down?  That's on Arians as well.  You're the coach.  Coach the guy to live to fight another day.

The thing that I love about Tomlin is also the thing that drives me insane.  I love his decisive, sure-of-himself attitude; but, that sometimes turns into stubborn inability to see reality.  It's a fine line.  Time for him to take a look in the mirror and make some hard decisions about how he needs to grow as a leader and coach.
Logged

We have traded Christ for the religion of Christianity.
LambertsFrontTeeth
Old School Member
*****

Karma: 1617
Offline Offline

Posts: 1,462



« Reply #13 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 12:07 »

It's a fine line. 

C'mon preach. <scowls,points to head> Think!
Logged

"Dreith said I hit Sipe too hard. I hit him as hard as I could. Brian has a chance to go out of bounds and he decides not to. He knows I'm going to hit him. And I do. History."
- - - Jack Lambert, after referee Ben Dreith ejected him from a game for knocking out Browns QB Brian Sipe.
Joetorious
Brownstains can suck my Member
****

Karma: 1406
Offline Offline

Posts: 733



« Reply #14 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 12:40 »

I'd add a third bullet: the Steelers HC must reign in Ben.

This year, I've come to appreciate Ben's toughness more than I ever have. That said, I think he's an egotistical idiot on the field who thinks he has no physical limitations. He needs to be  given a good system and play within it. If he can't, bench him. Severely injured, he's virtually worthless. More and more, his unwillingness to get rid of the ball is getting him severely injured.

Also, no more of Ben drinking tea or whatever with the OC on his porch. That "friends" shit is for the birds.
Logged

Tell 'em...Large Marge sent ya! Bwhahahaha
Preacherman0
Old School Member
*****

Karma: 5808
Offline Offline

Posts: 4,784



WWW
« Reply #15 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 13:53 »

Quote
I'd add a third bullet: the Steelers HC must reign in Ben.

This year, I've come to appreciate Ben's toughness more than I ever have. That said, I think he's an egotistical idiot on the field who thinks he has no physical limitations. He needs to be  given a good system and play within it. If he can't, bench him. Severely injured, he's virtually worthless. More and more, his unwillingness to get rid of the ball is getting him severely injured.

Also, no more of Ben drinking tea or whatever with the OC on his porch. That "friends" shit is for the birds.

Completely agree with this.  Again, the things that make someone great can ultimately destroy them.  Time to start becoming less Farve-ish.  If Ben dumps the ball off to Redman when we are at the Denver 45 instead of post fumble/penalty, we have a chance to kick the FG and win it.
Logged

We have traded Christ for the religion of Christianity.
Big Virgil
Old School Member
*****

Karma: 3768
Offline Offline

Posts: 3,244



« Reply #16 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 13:57 »

I'm not on the ledge at all.

I'm not down on any individual player either.  Ike, maybe, but he has been money all year, so you don't crap on him for having one bad game.

The lack of adjustment during a game has been going on for 20 years, and it is crazy that mentality exists in the organization through different coaching staffs.

Arians, and Tomlin somewhat, is absolutely killing the offense.  I sear, every game on the 1st series or two, Millers gets 4 to 6 catches and doesn't see the ball the rest of the day. We talk about it jokingly, but every time they find somethign that works, they stop doing it.  Actually that contradicts my 1st point about lack of in-game adjustments, so I'll say that the game plan is scripted and they don't know what will or won't work so just work off of the plan, regardless.  AND, the only passing plays in the playbook are long passes, even when the QB is hobbled and when the O line can't buy a block for more that about 2.5 seconds it is ridiculous.    Taking shots is great, but how about some short passes, besides a WR screen of course, to get some single coverage on a WR?  Geezus, I wish Whiz would have stayed as OC.  What woudl Mularkey do with this amount of talent?

I don't think this rant is any different than what is consistently said every week, win or lose.
Logged

Looks like you've been missing a lot of work lately.
I wouldn't say I've been *missing* it, Bob.
LambertsFrontTeeth
Old School Member
*****

Karma: 1617
Offline Offline

Posts: 1,462



« Reply #17 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 15:02 »

I wish Whiz would have stayed as OC.  What woudl Mularkey do with this amount of talent?

I don't think this rant is any different than what is consistently said every week, win or lose.

Yeah, this is more of where I'm at. I think our personnel (when healthy) is pretty solid. Our philosophy on offense, though, could use some change. But that's what I've thought for the past 6 years or so.
Logged

"Dreith said I hit Sipe too hard. I hit him as hard as I could. Brian has a chance to go out of bounds and he decides not to. He knows I'm going to hit him. And I do. History."
- - - Jack Lambert, after referee Ben Dreith ejected him from a game for knocking out Browns QB Brian Sipe.
Manimal
Brownstains can suck my Member
****

Karma: 3859
Offline Offline

Posts: 538



« Reply #18 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 15:02 »

Quote
I'd add a third bullet: the Steelers HC must reign in Ben.

This year, I've come to appreciate Ben's toughness more than I ever have. That said, I think he's an egotistical idiot on the field who thinks he has no physical limitations. He needs to be  given a good system and play within it. If he can't, bench him. Severely injured, he's virtually worthless. More and more, his unwillingness to get rid of the ball is getting him severely injured.

Also, no more of Ben drinking tea or whatever with the OC on his porch. That "friends" shit is for the birds.

Completely agree with this.  Again, the things that make someone great can ultimately destroy them.  Time to start becoming less Farve-ish.  If Ben dumps the ball off to Redman when we are at the Denver 45 instead of post fumble/penalty, we have a chance to kick the FG and win it.

Ben has long had an irritating habit of accepting sacks when the team is either within or very close to FG range, and instead of taking the 5-to-8 yard gain on a pass that doesn't get a first down but moves us closer, he holds out for the conversion and takes a sack instead. Happened in each playoff game last year, and it finally caught up with us against Green Bay.

There are times you need a TD. There are times when a FG attempt has value, too. Ben needs to get a better grip on those situational elements.
Logged
jonzr
Asst. VP, Jonzring
Global Moderator
Old School Member
*****

Karma: 11360
Online Online

Posts: 11,339


Have a cup o' joe.


WWW
« Reply #19 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 15:12 »

Haha Wexell,

https://twitter.com/jimwexell/status/156148136904114176
https://twitter.com/jimwexell/status/156137469295861762
Logged

"I like David Bowie, he was always my favorite member of Tin Machine."
- Rodney Anonymous

It's a Steeler Nation
kluisi61
Global Moderator
Old School Member
*****

Karma: 2769
Offline Offline

Posts: 7,052



« Reply #20 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 15:22 »

5) We lost our number 1 RB last week -- but his undrafted FA backup appears to be a diamond in the rough. Had we won this game, everyone would be stoked by Redman's performance. It's possible that a player like Barron Batch will be able to help out next year, after getting a full season to rehab.

Yes. I am excited about Redman and thought he might have had the best game out of anyone on the team yesterday. He had 17 rushes for 121 yards. That's 7.1 yards per carry. Which brings up the question, why did he only have 17 rushes?

Until they show that they can stop it, keep feeding him the rock. It worked for Denver. We continued to show all night that the PA pass would work and that Ike couldn't cover Thomas, so they kept throwing PA passes to Thomas. Even though their entire offense was built around the running game. Good adjustments. Arians doesn't know the meaning of the phrase.

Logged

OK Chris. Now that we have practiced kissing and cuddling, we'll practice eating out...at a fancy restaurant.

 - Lois Griffin

-----------------

Goal Line Blitz - Football player and team simulator...Very Fun.

Fallen Sword - MMORPG that is very fun. No ads and it's free.

kluisi61
Global Moderator
Old School Member
*****

Karma: 2769
Offline Offline

Posts: 7,052



« Reply #21 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 15:34 »

There's plenty of blame to go around, but it seems to me the coaching staff was set on trying to shut down Denver's running game and create 3rd-and-longs. And I don't think that was dumb thinking.

I completely agree, but I think that we could have shut down their running game without committing every player on defense to the task and continuously getting burned on the play action. Thomas averaged 50+ yards per catch (yes 50). For god's sake, Tebow averaged over 31 per completion.

People talk about bringing an 8th man into the box to sell out to stop the run and that would have been appropriate against this team. Even to occasionally blitz a 9th person would have been great. There were points in this game where there were 10 defenders within 4 yards of the LOS (I know because I paused my DVR to count). Ike Taylor was playing "Deep" at 7 yards off the ball. I don't care which NFL QB is playing, you are going to be able to throw against that defense. As a coach or QB, I would have audibled every time I saw that (maybe that's what happened and why they had more passing yards than any other game in Tebow's career).

We have played against McGahee many times and he's never had more than 100 yards, but we've never played him like that. Why should this game be any different. I guess my point is, it was a valid strategy to play the run to see if the pass could beat you, but it should never be an option to play the run and just not play the pass at all.
Logged

OK Chris. Now that we have practiced kissing and cuddling, we'll practice eating out...at a fancy restaurant.

 - Lois Griffin

-----------------

Goal Line Blitz - Football player and team simulator...Very Fun.

Fallen Sword - MMORPG that is very fun. No ads and it's free.

kluisi61
Global Moderator
Old School Member
*****

Karma: 2769
Offline Offline

Posts: 7,052



« Reply #22 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 16:29 »

Quote
I'd add a third bullet: the Steelers HC must reign in Ben.

This year, I've come to appreciate Ben's toughness more than I ever have. That said, I think he's an egotistical idiot on the field who thinks he has no physical limitations. He needs to be  given a good system and play within it. If he can't, bench him. Severely injured, he's virtually worthless. More and more, his unwillingness to get rid of the ball is getting him severely injured.

Also, no more of Ben drinking tea or whatever with the OC on his porch. That "friends" shit is for the birds.

Completely agree with this.  Again, the things that make someone great can ultimately destroy them.  Time to start becoming less Farve-ish.  If Ben dumps the ball off to Redman when we are at the Denver 45 instead of post fumble/penalty, we have a chance to kick the FG and win it.

Yep...I just looked at the Play-by-play. That one play maybe costs us the game (ultimately - even though all of the plays before it were why it mattered in this case). Here's how it did happen.

1st and 10 at Denver 45 (0:29) - Sack...loss of 11 (Steelers call timeout)
2nd and 21 at Pittsburgh 44 (0:18) - Incomplete pass (hines ward)
3rd and 21 at Pittsburgh 44 (0:12) - Delay of game (5 yard loss)
3rd and 26 at Pittsburgh 39 (0:12) - Issac Redman Reception 12 yards (out of bounds)
4th and 14 at Denver 49 (0:01) - Sack...loss of 15 (Game over) (would have been about a 66 yard FG attempt - Sims still though we should have tried *eyeroll*)

If instead of the first sack, he throws it away, we're 2nd and 10 with an extra timeout and probably a few extra seconds. I see the rest of the drive maybe going something like this:

1st and 10 at Denver 45 (0:29) - Throw away
2nd and 10 at Denver 45 (0:25) - Incomplete pass (hines ward)
3rd and 10 at Denver 45 (0:19) - Timeout to avoid Delay of game
3rd and 10 at Denver 45 (0:19) - Issac Redman Reception 12 yards (out of bounds)
1st and 10 at Denver 33 (0:08) - Run quick slant + immediately down and timeout...Call it +5 yards.
2nd and 5 at Denver 28 (0:01) - 45 yard FG attempt in Denver (or 50 if the previous pass was incomplete)

I'm not saying that Swisham would have made the kick (I'm actually guessing he would have missed), but we would have at least been able to try to win the game in regulation.

Given that same scenario, there would even be another option if there's not the confidence in the kicker to go for the kick. On the quick slant play, fake it as they know the play has to be quick in order to get down and get the timeout for the FG try. So line up with two receivers stacked (to guarantee a clean release), Wallace or Brown take one step to the inside with a quick pump fake, then cut outside (off the pick of the other WR) to go deep and you go for it all on a hail mary and see if they can beat everyone to the endzone.
Logged

OK Chris. Now that we have practiced kissing and cuddling, we'll practice eating out...at a fancy restaurant.

 - Lois Griffin

-----------------

Goal Line Blitz - Football player and team simulator...Very Fun.

Fallen Sword - MMORPG that is very fun. No ads and it's free.

msdmnr2002
Old School Member
*****

Karma: 2836
Offline Offline

Posts: 2,606



WWW
« Reply #23 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 20:58 »

Quote
People talk about bringing an 8th man into the box to sell out to stop the run and that would have been appropriate against this team. Even to occasionally blitz a 9th person would have been great. There were points in this game where there were 10 defenders within 4 yards of the LOS (I know because I paused my DVR to count).

On the game winner 11 players were within 5 yards of the LOS at the snap.  That's inexcuseable in that situation.  I realize the OT rules are new, but even I can realize that the ONLY thing that can kill you is a TD.  Don't recommend prevent, but you must play a safety deep to avoid just what happened. 

Even if they get a FG, you get the ball back knowing you are in 4 down territory from the get-go.  Makes it easier IMO if you're willing to be patient and take 3-4 yard gains.  Then you have a chance to win it outright.
Logged
jonzr
Asst. VP, Jonzring
Global Moderator
Old School Member
*****

Karma: 11360
Online Online

Posts: 11,339


Have a cup o' joe.


WWW
« Reply #24 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 22:02 »

Even if they get a FG, you get the ball back knowing you are in 4 down territory from the get-go.  Makes it easier IMO if you're willing to be patient and take 3-4 yard gains.  Then you have a chance to win it outright.

That's really the pisser in the whole thing.  They played into their hands, it's still unbelievable, inexcusable and inexplicable.  How the effing eff does it happen?
Logged

"I like David Bowie, he was always my favorite member of Tin Machine."
- Rodney Anonymous

It's a Steeler Nation
Finnegans Wake
Global Moderator
Old School Member
*****

Karma: 12187
Online Online

Posts: 22,066



« Reply #25 on: Jan 10, 2012 at 08:53 »

Not sure if that was LeBeau's call or if Mundy was caught out of position.  But I do remember after giving up the first coupla grating long hitters from LBJC Tebow Hisself that LeBeau should have started cycling Pola back a bit to see if he could anticipate some throws and make a break for a pick.  But hey, why change the game plan in-game?
Logged

Out of my mind on Saturday night...
Pages: 1 2 3 [All]   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  


Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines
SimplePortal 2.3.5 © 2008-2012, SimplePortal
| Sitemap
Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!