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« Reply #10 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 10:26 »

It should be noted that on Denver's previous 22 1st down plays, they ran the ball 21 times. So when they showed run, the D brought 9 guys into the box. Mundy fucked up and bit on the play fake and couldn't get back in time. It should have been a 25-30 yard play, but with Mundy biting, it was game over.


I do have a problem with the lack of in game adjustments from LeBeau. How many deep passes are you going to get burned on, until you change the coverage? As for Ike, how many times do you get beat before you keep everything in front of you? A 30 yard play doesn't mean much there. A TD ends the game. Inexcusable.

As for the team, I'm sure they will be more than competitve next year. Plug the OL to make at it least just average, and they are in every game. I'm not really impressed with Worilds. Seems like Clark Haggans 2.0 to me, so would be nice to get some LB depth.
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« Reply #11 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 10:27 »

Jeez, can everyone just take a step back from the ledge!

Call me a Pollyanna, but everyone is over-reacting. I'm hardly a "glass-half-full" kind of guy, but this team is not that terrible.
In fact, one might argue that this team is over achieving for a team arguably already deep in the rebuilding phase.

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I don't see this team as a stagnant collection of talent. I see this team as having tremendous potential whilst still having capable veterans that will allow this team to contend next year and the year after.

I agree with this. Great point at #1, too, by the way. I think the suddenness of Ward's decline hurt the offense more than many of us realize. Without his physical presence breaking down zone coverage all day, our receiving corps was reduced to a set of smallish receivers with similar skill sets and lots of passes to the sidelines. I think we need to find a guy who can play his role to some extent in the offseason.

I also think we're not that far away. The Offensive line has often been terrible, but it has a chance to turn the corner next year. Max Starks is not a bad LT, and Gilbert looks like a keeper who could eventually become a very good LT. We're set at C for the next 12 years. An all-pro guard can often be found in the latter half of the first round, and honestly, that's all we need to solidify the O-Line: we don't need to add three pro bowlers. Just add one very good player, probably with either a 1st or 2nd round pick, and improve the depth a little bit.

We've got our next-generation defensive line in place, minus a nose tackle. The upcoming draft is shaping up to be a very good one for NT, though solid ones can be found all over the place.

At linebacker, we've got good young talent at two of four positions, and Worldis looks like he could replace Harrison when his time is up (which it isn't yet). We draft and coach up linebackers like no one else, so I'm not worried about this position.

We're close. Things might be bumpy again next year as we could potentially see a lot of quality vets go. That happens in this league. but I think the table is set for a very nice run in the 2012-2015 time frame.
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« Reply #12 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 11:21 »

As beat up as the line was defensively, the DBs and safeties got suckered into dropping down.  Honestly, I'm a little surprised the Dline held up as well as it did. 

I'll give LeBeau a pass on this season, as we were older and less talented than we've been in a while.

Arians gets no pass.  I firmly believe that Ben played as well as he did in the 2nd half because he was shot up with pain killers at halftime.  The fact that we didn't run the ball more, used empty sets, etc. is on Arians.  The fact that Ben refuses to take the check-down?  That's on Arians as well.  You're the coach.  Coach the guy to live to fight another day.

The thing that I love about Tomlin is also the thing that drives me insane.  I love his decisive, sure-of-himself attitude; but, that sometimes turns into stubborn inability to see reality.  It's a fine line.  Time for him to take a look in the mirror and make some hard decisions about how he needs to grow as a leader and coach.
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« Reply #13 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 12:07 »

It's a fine line. 

C'mon preach. <scowls,points to head> Think!
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« Reply #14 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 12:40 »

I'd add a third bullet: the Steelers HC must reign in Ben.

This year, I've come to appreciate Ben's toughness more than I ever have. That said, I think he's an egotistical idiot on the field who thinks he has no physical limitations. He needs to be  given a good system and play within it. If he can't, bench him. Severely injured, he's virtually worthless. More and more, his unwillingness to get rid of the ball is getting him severely injured.

Also, no more of Ben drinking tea or whatever with the OC on his porch. That "friends" shit is for the birds.
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« Reply #15 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 13:53 »

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I'd add a third bullet: the Steelers HC must reign in Ben.

This year, I've come to appreciate Ben's toughness more than I ever have. That said, I think he's an egotistical idiot on the field who thinks he has no physical limitations. He needs to be  given a good system and play within it. If he can't, bench him. Severely injured, he's virtually worthless. More and more, his unwillingness to get rid of the ball is getting him severely injured.

Also, no more of Ben drinking tea or whatever with the OC on his porch. That "friends" shit is for the birds.

Completely agree with this.  Again, the things that make someone great can ultimately destroy them.  Time to start becoming less Farve-ish.  If Ben dumps the ball off to Redman when we are at the Denver 45 instead of post fumble/penalty, we have a chance to kick the FG and win it.
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« Reply #16 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 13:57 »

I'm not on the ledge at all.

I'm not down on any individual player either.  Ike, maybe, but he has been money all year, so you don't crap on him for having one bad game.

The lack of adjustment during a game has been going on for 20 years, and it is crazy that mentality exists in the organization through different coaching staffs.

Arians, and Tomlin somewhat, is absolutely killing the offense.  I sear, every game on the 1st series or two, Millers gets 4 to 6 catches and doesn't see the ball the rest of the day. We talk about it jokingly, but every time they find somethign that works, they stop doing it.  Actually that contradicts my 1st point about lack of in-game adjustments, so I'll say that the game plan is scripted and they don't know what will or won't work so just work off of the plan, regardless.  AND, the only passing plays in the playbook are long passes, even when the QB is hobbled and when the O line can't buy a block for more that about 2.5 seconds it is ridiculous.    Taking shots is great, but how about some short passes, besides a WR screen of course, to get some single coverage on a WR?  Geezus, I wish Whiz would have stayed as OC.  What woudl Mularkey do with this amount of talent?

I don't think this rant is any different than what is consistently said every week, win or lose.
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« Reply #17 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 15:02 »

I wish Whiz would have stayed as OC.  What woudl Mularkey do with this amount of talent?

I don't think this rant is any different than what is consistently said every week, win or lose.

Yeah, this is more of where I'm at. I think our personnel (when healthy) is pretty solid. Our philosophy on offense, though, could use some change. But that's what I've thought for the past 6 years or so.
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« Reply #18 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 15:02 »

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I'd add a third bullet: the Steelers HC must reign in Ben.

This year, I've come to appreciate Ben's toughness more than I ever have. That said, I think he's an egotistical idiot on the field who thinks he has no physical limitations. He needs to be  given a good system and play within it. If he can't, bench him. Severely injured, he's virtually worthless. More and more, his unwillingness to get rid of the ball is getting him severely injured.

Also, no more of Ben drinking tea or whatever with the OC on his porch. That "friends" shit is for the birds.

Completely agree with this.  Again, the things that make someone great can ultimately destroy them.  Time to start becoming less Farve-ish.  If Ben dumps the ball off to Redman when we are at the Denver 45 instead of post fumble/penalty, we have a chance to kick the FG and win it.

Ben has long had an irritating habit of accepting sacks when the team is either within or very close to FG range, and instead of taking the 5-to-8 yard gain on a pass that doesn't get a first down but moves us closer, he holds out for the conversion and takes a sack instead. Happened in each playoff game last year, and it finally caught up with us against Green Bay.

There are times you need a TD. There are times when a FG attempt has value, too. Ben needs to get a better grip on those situational elements.
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« Reply #19 on: Jan 09, 2012 at 15:12 »

Haha Wexell,

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