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« on: Jan 10, 2012 at 09:49 »

CNNSI quotes CBS who is quoting sources who say #86 will call it quits.

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Sources have told CBS Sports that the belief among Pittsburgh Steelers teammates is that wide receiver Hines Ward is expected to announce his retirement soon.

Ward, 35, finished the season with 46 receptions for 381 yards and two touchdowns in 15 games for the Pittsburgh Steelers. 2011 marked the first time that the Pro Bowl receiver lost his spot as an everyday starter for the squad.

If Ward’s career is over, he finishes it with 1000 career receptions for 12083 yards and 85 touchdowns. Over the course of 15 seasons, all with Pittsburgh, Ward was named to four Pro Bowls, and earned Super Bowl MVP honors in 2005. His best season came in 2002 when he hauled in 112 receptions for 1329 yards and 12 touchdowns.

The Steelers’ season came to a close last night when they lost in overtime to the Denver Broncos in the opening round of the NFL playoffs.


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« Reply #1 on: Jan 10, 2012 at 09:51 »

That was a crappy last game to take into retirement.  But what a career.  In my mind he's a HOFer but I am admittedly not objective.  Those numbers will not be enough for the run-of-the-mill HOF voter.  Maybe the two rings and the SB MVP will put him over the top.
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« Reply #2 on: Jan 10, 2012 at 10:04 »

Too bad reception #1000 couldn't have been for TD #86.
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 10, 2012 at 10:05 »

That was a crappy last game to take into retirement.  But what a career.  In my mind he's a HOFer but I am admittedly not objective.  Those numbers will not be enough for the run-of-the-mill HOF voter.  Maybe the two rings and the SB MVP will put him over the top.


I don't know man...1000 catches puts him 8th all time. 12000 yards is 18th. 85 TDs is 13th. Not to mention being the best blocking WR maybe to have ever lived. Guy that epitomized his city. Always played with a smile. Plus 2 rings, 1 MVP, and 4 pro-bowls. IMO he's definitely in.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/

Check some of the HOF recievers that are below him in those categories. Plus Ward really played most of his career during a time when the Steelers were primarily a running team with Bettis.
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« Reply #4 on: Jan 10, 2012 at 10:15 »

I hear ya, but he's only gonna slide down the list as time passes.  (But I didn't realize his numbers were that good.)  Maybe they'll hold up - and maybe he'll get special consideration for playing several years with Kordell as his QB.
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« Reply #5 on: Jan 10, 2012 at 10:21 »

The only thing that worries me is that Art Monk is not in yet.
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 10, 2012 at 10:42 »

The only thing that worries me is that Art Monk is not in yet.

I didn't think he was either but the link says he was inducted in '08.

The main fear is that if he doesn't get in quick (Chris Carter, Tim Brown and Bettis still aren't) then he may suffer due to the gross inflation of #s at his position.  Although, the NFL's increased passing yardage may be spread among more targets and his #s will stand the test of time and I'm just worrying too much.
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« Reply #7 on: Jan 10, 2012 at 10:47 »

Goddamned screwy formatting...

Too bad reception #1000 couldn't have been for TD #86.


Or, at least for positive yardage.

That was a crappy last game to take into retirement.  But what a career.  In my mind he's a HOFer but I am admittedly not objective.  Those numbers will not be enough for the run-of-the-mill HOF voter.  Maybe the two rings and the SB MVP will put him over the top.


I don't know man...1000 catches puts him 8th all time. 12000 yards is 18th. 85 TDs is 13th. Not to mention being the best blocking WR maybe to have ever lived. Guy that epitomized his city. Always played with a smile. Plus 2 rings, 1 MVP, and 4 pro-bowls. IMO he's definitely in.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/

Check some of the HOF recievers that are below him in those categories. Plus Ward really played most of his career during a time when the Steelers were primarily a running team with Bettis.


I hear ya, but he's only gonna slide down the list as time passes.  (But I didn't realize his numbers were that good.)  Maybe they'll hold up - and maybe he'll get special consideration for playing several years with Kordell as his QB.


#86 easily goes down as one of my favorite Steelers of all time so my objectivity here is a little compromised.  As things stand now, I think he's deserving, but give it another 5 to 7 years and he'll look like a fringe HOFer, at best.

The only thing that worries me is that Art Monk is not in yet.


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« Reply #8 on: Jan 10, 2012 at 10:49 »

#86 easily goes down as one of my favorite Steelers of all time so my objectivity here is a little compromised.  As things stand now, I think he's deserving, but give it another 5 to 7 years and he'll look like a fringe HOFer, at best.

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« Reply #9 on: Jan 10, 2012 at 11:59 »

#86 easily goes down as one of my favorite Steelers of all time so my objectivity here is a little compromised.  As things stand now, I think he's deserving, but give it another 5 to 7 years and he'll look like a fringe HOFer, at best.

This.


Yes and no...you have to judge WRs against the others of their generation. Who would be in over him? I put them in the order that I would rank them.

Hines Ward's Generation IMO

  • Marvin Harrison (1102 receptions, 14,580 yards, 128 TDs, 13 years, Colts, +only one team -Benefited from Manning)
  • TO (1078 receptions, 15,934 yards, 153 TDs, 15 years, 5 different teams, -cancer -lots of moving around)?
  • Randy Moss (954 receptions, 14,858 yards, 153 TDs, 13 years, 4 different teams, -cancer -lots of moving around)?
  • Hines Ward (1000 receptions, 12,083 yards, 85 TDs, 14 years, Steelers, +only one team +Best Blocker ever)
  • Reggie Wayne (862 receptions, 11,708 yards, 73 TDs, 11 year career, Colts, +only one team -relatively long career)?
  • Torry Holt (920 receptions, 13,382 yards, 74 TDs, 11 year career, 2 different teams, -relatively short career)?
  • Isaac Bruce (1024 receptions, 15,208 yards, 91 TDs, 16 year career, 2 different teams, -relatively long career)?
  • Joey Galloway (701 receptions, 10,950 yards, 77 TDs, 16 year career, 5 different teams, -relatively long career -lots of moving around)?
  • Derrick Mason (943 receptions, 12,061 yards, 66 TDs, 15 year career, 4 different teams, -lots of moving around)?

After that, you start getting into the Donald Drivers, Chad Ochocincos, Keyshawn Johnsons, Rod Smiths, Muhsin Muhammads of the league and Ward's numbers blow all of them away.

I think down to Wayne have a great chance, and I may think about putting Holt OR Bruce in, but noone else on the list really screams HOFer to me.

Before Hines Ward's Generation IMO

IMO, Tim Brown, Art Monk, and Chris Carter are in the generation before Ward and should be compared with WRs of their own era and whether they are HOFers or not really shouldn't affect Ward at all.

After Hines Ward's Generation IMO

The guys who could pass him in the next 5-7 years (Fitz, Megatron, Jennings, Colston) are in the next generation. Those are the guys who are really benefiting from the new pass happy league.

Also, just in the interest of completeness, guys like Boldin and A. Johnson are kind of in-between generations. I might compare them to the guys above, but both still have work to do to catch up to Ward's numbers anyway. I give Johnson a good chance with Shaub and their great running game, but I do not think that Boldin will catch up with Flacco at QB. Johnson's also a year younger than Boldin.
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« Reply #10 on: Jan 10, 2012 at 13:05 »

Nice post, K-man.  While it reinforces my belief that he's a HOFer, I think it also supports what I said about him being a fringe guy in 5-7.  I also see what you're saying about comparing him with WRs of his generation and I guess that's how it's generally viewed.  Still, it doesn't help his case when you've got a handful of guys within a few thousand yards of his career numbers and they haven't even hit 30 yet.  I think the voters consider that type of stuff; the benchmarks should keep rising, if you will.

Even if you want to just compare him to WRs from his generation, it's not exactly a limited group.  You've got 8 on your list.  I'd probably add Tim Brown to it considering he played for about 5 or 6 years after Ward came into the league; Boldin started his career 3 or 4 years after Ward did so I think I'd include him as well; Jimmy Smith should probably get tossed in there too as should Steve Smith when his career is finished.

In the end, focusing on WRs of his generation, that's at least a dozen other WRs that will get legit HOF consideration.  He's probably in the middle to upper third of that group so he'll likely get in after a couple shots, but when that next wave hits, it just won't look as impressive.  Hope they've got a lot of room in that WR wing in Canton.
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I wanted take a moment to thank all of Steeler Nation for the love and support. I'm sorry for the disappointing loss. I'm still depressed about it. We had a great year finishing 12-4 but our ultimate goal was to win the Super Bowl and we fell short. Hats off to Denver. I'm also getting lots of questions about retirement so let me set the record straight: I have no plans on retiring right now. I want to win another Superbowl. I don't know where the media is getting this info from but rest assured that when I decide to retire, you'll hear it from ME first. - HINES

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« Reply #12 on: Jan 10, 2012 at 14:08 »

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« Reply #13 on: Jan 10, 2012 at 14:13 »

I'm also getting lots of questions about retirement so let me set the record straight: I have no plans on retiring right now. I want to win another Superbowl.  - HINES

Now let's just hope that's in a Steelers uni.
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« Reply #14 on: Jan 10, 2012 at 16:52 »

None of those guys except Monk have more than one ring.  No SB MVPs that I know of.

Swann and Stallworth comparison:

Combined catches:  873 - Ward 1000
Combined yards - 14185 - Ward 12083
TDs 114 - Ward 85.

SB MVPs, 1 combined - Ward 1

SB rings obviously big difference.

I think Ward will get in.  Compares well enough to current players.  May take 10 years though. 
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On the Steelers: Ward would be OK with pay cut
Wednesday, January 11, 2012
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
 Chris Schneider/Associated PressHines Ward runs off the field in Denver after Sunday's stunning loss. Some believe it will be Ward's last game in a Steelers uniform. But maybe not.Hines Ward wants to make a few things perfectly clear: He wants to play for the Steelers in 2012, but, if they do not want him, he still wants to play next season

He just does not want to think about the second part of the equation at the moment.

"It would be weird, not how I want it to happen," Ward said of playing for another team next season. "But I do want to play. I still think I can play. I'm not even thinking like that -- what if. If that scenario happens, I'll be devastated, but I do want to play football."

He understands he would have to take a pay cut from his $4 million salary next season. He has two seasons left on his contract and is willing to do that. Such a decision must be made, however, by March 1 because Ward said a clause in his contract states that they must guarantee his job by then or release him.

"I'd probably have to restructure my contract," Ward said of the pay cut. "That's fine with me. I recognize that. I'm telling you I want to be here, I'm telling you I'm willing to do that. And I understand the ramifications -- we have the cap number and stuff, but I want to be here."

As for not starting, Ward noted that happened this season.

"Obviously, I was a starter, and then it went the way it did. That's fine, I don't have a problem with not starting. But I want to play, I want to try to win another Super Bowl. I want to do it for this organization. I want to help this team out. I still think I can help this team, on the field, off the field with the younger guys, still be there for the team. I'm willing to do all that."

No one has talked to him yet about his future, Ward said. He will have minor surgery on his right ankle to shave down bone spurs. He also is looking forward to a rest after a year in which he played football into the Super Bowl in February, had knee surgery, won "Dancing With the Stars," had surgery on his thumb and rejoined his teammates for the 2011 season after the lockout ended.

If the Steelers do not want him back next season, Ward hopes fans understand if he signs elsewhere.

"I want to be here. I mean, if they decide they don't want me here, it's not my choice. I wouldn't see why Steelers fans would be angry at me, if I still think I can play. I want to play here. I don't want to put on another uniform, but, at the end of the day, it's not my choice. There's nothing I can do about it."

Ward will turn 36 March 8 and noted "They always say play as long as you can.

"The biggest thing, like Tony Gonzalez, these guys are older than me. And I don't hear if they're retiring or not. Donald Driver, a year older than me, still playing good football...

"I'm just looking year to year, but I do want to play next year. If they decide to part ways, I'll be devastated, but life's not over. I'm still young.

"My thing is, I want to be a Steeler, I'm here, I'm willing to restructure, do whatever. I don't want to be seen in another uniform but, if they decide to part ways, or whatever, I don't know, I'm not even thinking like that. I couldn't even fathom myself [in another uniform], but I still want to play football."

Emmanuel Sanders, one of those young Steelers receivers who helped push Ward down the depth chart, knows where the team's future lies at the position. He also believes there is room for Ward.

"If he comes back, we are going to welcome him with open arms," said Sanders, who completed his second season by leading the Steelers in receiving in the playoff loss Sunday in Denver. "Hines has helped the receiving corps a lot. He definitely taught me, Antonio [Brown] and Mike [Wallace] what it takes to be a pro in this league. So, he is a great addition to this receiving corps.

"We know the direction in which we are going with the receiving corps. But, again, Hines is still a great addition. Just the knowledge he brings to the room, you can't pay for that, you can't coach that. He just brings that well-being of how to be a pro into the room."



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« Reply #16 on: Jan 11, 2012 at 11:09 »

"Obviously, I was a starter, and then it went the way it did. That's fine, I don't have a problem with not starting. But I want to play, I want to try to win another Super Bowl. I want to do it for this organization. I want to help this team out. I still think I can help this team, on the field, off the field with the younger guys, still be there for the team. I'm willing to do all that."

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"I want to be here. I mean, if they decide they don't want me here, it's not my choice. I wouldn't see why Steelers fans would be angry at me, if I still think I can play. I want to play here. I don't want to put on another uniform, but, at the end of the day, it's not my choice. There's nothing I can do about it."

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"I'm just looking year to year, but I do want to play next year. If they decide to part ways, I'll be devastated, but life's not over. I'm still young.

"My thing is, I want to be a Steeler, I'm here, I'm willing to restructure, do whatever. I don't want to be seen in another uniform but, if they decide to part ways, or whatever, I don't know, I'm not even thinking like that. I couldn't even fathom myself [in another uniform], but I still want to play football."


Pretty clear how he feels.  Sounds like he's willing to take a vet minimum~ish offer to me.  Under the new CBA, I think for a player with his level of tenure, base minimum is somewhere around a million.  Restructure and pay the man.
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« Reply #17 on: Jan 11, 2012 at 13:30 »

He has earned the right to retire a Steeler....at the vet minimum.
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"I want to be here. I mean, if they decide they don't want me here, it's not my choice. I wouldn't see why Steelers fans would be angry at me, if I still think I can play. I want to play here. I don't want to put on another uniform, but, at the end of the day, it's not my choice. There's nothing I can do about it."


I think he's one of the few people who would be able to get away with going to play for another team and not get the backlash that other players would get from Pittsburgh fans. I think most fans would agree that Ward IS the Steelers no matter what uniform he's currently wearing. The'd still want to see Harrison lay him out across the middle if we were playing against his new team, but unlike other players, they'd hope that he gets up right after the hit.
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« Reply #19 on: Jan 11, 2012 at 18:08 »

I think he's one of the few people who would be able to get away with going to play for another team and not get the backlash that other players would get from Pittsburgh fans. I think most fans would agree that Ward IS the Steelers no matter what uniform he's currently wearing. The'd still want to see Harrison lay him out across the middle if we were playing against his new team, but unlike other players, they'd hope that he gets up right after the hit.

Maybe, but...imagine him wearing a purple (96%) and black #86.
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« Reply #20 on: Jan 11, 2012 at 18:19 »

I think he's one of the few people who would be able to get away with going to play for another team and not get the backlash that other players would get from Pittsburgh fans. I think most fans would agree that Ward IS the Steelers no matter what uniform he's currently wearing. The'd still want to see Harrison lay him out across the middle if we were playing against his new team, but unlike other players, they'd hope that he gets up right after the hit.

Maybe, but...imagine him wearing a purple (96%) and black #86.

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« Reply #21 on: Jan 11, 2012 at 18:55 »

I think he's one of the few people who would be able to get away with going to play for another team and not get the backlash that other players would get from Pittsburgh fans. I think most fans would agree that Ward IS the Steelers no matter what uniform he's currently wearing. The'd still want to see Harrison lay him out across the middle if we were playing against his new team, but unlike other players, they'd hope that he gets up right after the hit.

Maybe, but...imagine him wearing a purple (96%) and black #86.

You take that back.
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« Reply #22 on: Feb 11, 2012 at 08:51 »

Not much of an excuse for an article.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7564969/pittsburgh-steelers-plan-keep-hines-ward-report-says
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« Reply #23 on: Feb 11, 2012 at 12:06 »

Hmmmm.  Unnamed Source gets it right sometimes. 
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« Reply #24 on: Feb 11, 2012 at 19:42 »

Should have cut him last year. 381 yards in 16 games, 2 arrests, 1 dancing with the stars bullshit. Thank you for the memories, Hines. Just doesn't fit anymore. Can only play the slot. Even at the minimum he wouldn't have cover kicks or been valuable on returns.

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« Reply #25 on: Feb 13, 2012 at 14:22 »

If LaCanfora is any indicator, Ward won't be back.

As mentioned before, base for a player with his years of service is about 925K.

Anybody out there have a problem with Ward being paid that amount?  IMO, short of bringing in another rook to take his place, anybody they sign off the scrap heap for WR depth (i.e. Cotchery in '11) would probably cost about the same.

And, of course, there's the issue of that player not being Hines Fucking Ward.

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« Reply #26 on: Feb 13, 2012 at 14:33 »

Colbert says Steelers still undecided.

Not surprising.  Between Arians retiring/getting the axe; Khan getting looked up by St. Louie; OC search and hire; and all the restructure work needed to be done to reduce the cap number, theys been bizzay.

Gotta think they get it done sooner or later...right?
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« Reply #27 on: Feb 26, 2012 at 17:01 »

According to Hines' facebook page;

 "If you're really taking the time to look - Here's a quick hint - I'll be working with the NFL Network:) Watch for it - Gotta go - HINES #bestdressed"

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« Reply #28 on: Feb 26, 2012 at 23:05 »

The lead story on the 11 pm news was Hines and Sally Wiggin interviewing people on the red carpet.
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« Reply #29 on: Feb 27, 2012 at 07:36 »

The lead story on the 11 pm news was Hines and Sally Wiggin interviewing people on the red carpet.

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« Reply #30 on: Feb 27, 2012 at 08:58 »

You guys do your homeworks...Was hoping some conspiracy theorist would take it and run... They gotta get this thing done soon, whatever they decide. My guess is he ain't coming back. I just don't see how they can use him (redzone only?), but I don't rule out the possibility...
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« Reply #31 on: Feb 29, 2012 at 16:43 »

It's official.

Sad; inevitable. 
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« Reply #32 on: Feb 29, 2012 at 18:05 »

All good things come to an end.  Thanks for all the memories, #86.

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« Reply #33 on: Mar 01, 2012 at 06:33 »

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« Reply #34 on: Mar 01, 2012 at 07:32 »

RIP Hines Ward

Oh wait.  Uh, thanks and good luck!
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« Reply #35 on: Mar 01, 2012 at 08:10 »

Noooooooooo...

I just purchased Hinesanity.com

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« Reply #36 on: Mar 01, 2012 at 08:17 »

RIP Hines Ward

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Ha!
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« Reply #37 on: Mar 01, 2012 at 08:17 »

I'm probably going to need a new avatar.


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« Reply #38 on: Mar 01, 2012 at 08:42 »

Sucky news, maybe we should have known this would happen but this still sucks. Hines is saying on his FB page that he has more football in him and he'll be playing next season. That would suck even more, he needs to retire as a Steeler.
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« Reply #39 on: Mar 08, 2012 at 08:32 »

Say it isn't so:

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« Reply #40 on: Mar 08, 2012 at 08:43 »

That shit ain't even funny, son.
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« Reply #41 on: Mar 08, 2012 at 09:19 »

Hopefully you're not getting all your news from the Bro Council.  sounds like a college frat governing society from Revenge of the Nerds.











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« Reply #42 on: Mar 08, 2012 at 12:07 »



Thought they announced yesterday that it was a spoof?
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« Reply #43 on: Mar 09, 2012 at 18:48 »

Hopefully you're not getting all your news from the Bro Council.  sounds like a college frat governing society from Revenge of the Nerds.














Don't mention that movie to Jonzr.  He thought it was a biopic.
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« Reply #44 on: Mar 09, 2012 at 19:59 »

Hopefully you're not getting all your news from the Bro Council.  sounds like a college frat governing society from Revenge of the Nerds.














Don't mention that movie to Jonzr.  He thought it was a biopic.


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« Reply #45 on: Mar 09, 2012 at 22:54 »

Hopefully you're not getting all your news from the Bro Council.  sounds like a college frat governing society from Revenge of the Nerds.














Don't mention that movie to Jonzr.  He thought it was a biopic.


Totally.  He loved Lee Majors and Lindsay Wagner.


They don't make true bionic love like that anymore.
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« Reply #46 on: Mar 09, 2012 at 23:53 »

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Don't mention that movie to Jonzr.  He thought it was a biopic.


Totally.  He loved Lee Majors and Lindsay Wagner.


They don't make true bionic love like that anymore.



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