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« on: Jan 15, 2012 at 17:06 »

OK we have a glaring need at LB, NT and OT.


Here are a few prospects I would love to see in the black and gold

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« Reply #1 on: Jan 17, 2012 at 11:44 »

Haven't started thinking about the draft yet.

Only thing I can say at this point is they need to improve up the middle (NT, ILB and S) on defense and bolster the OL (obv).  Wildcards would be finding a RB gem and maybe one of dem freakish TEs.  Miller is solid, but he's not that kinda player.
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« Reply #2 on: Jan 17, 2012 at 13:39 »

Haven't started thinking about the draft yet.

Only thing I can say at this point is they need to improve up the middle (NT, ILB and S) on defense and bolster the OL (obv).  Wildcards would be finding a RB gem and maybe one of dem freakish TEs.  Miller is solid, but he's not that kinda player.

'Bout right.  Be interesting to see if Baron Batch looks as good in camp as he did last year, might be the end for MeMo.  Still, always backs there late to consider.  Arian Foster, UDFA FFS.  Been thinking a lot about the freak TE as the missing "tall receiver" Ben pines for, reportedly.  Unless Limas Sweed can make a comeback!
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 18, 2012 at 12:00 »

NFL games are now about two things: rushing the other guys' passer, and protecting your own. That's the end of the essential "to-do" list for any gameplan in any game, and I exaggerate only slightly I think.

The games we lost, we lost because our pass protection shat the bed at the critical moment and we couldn't put pressure on the other guy's passer, especially when it counted. The second Ravens' game is a case in point - we put little pressure on Whacko on that last drive. The second half of the year, without Woodley, the pass rush just couldn't get it done. We would have lost the New England game if Woodley had gotten hurt in the first quarter. Flip side, our two-minute drills have kind of sucked lately, and pass blocking breakdowns have been a big part of that.

But point is, we need more pass rushers. We can't go into next year once again facing the prospect that, if one of our two OLBs is out, the pass rush is crippled. Doesn't mean we have to pick one in the first round -- but if the FO rolled the dice on 2 or 3 guys they can envision being pass rush specialists between rounds 2 and 5, I wouldn't mind a bit.

We also need another middle-area zone receiver, either a wideout with some bulk or another TE. Losing Ward's role in the offense hurt us a lot, I think, and Brown-Wallace-Sanders don't complement each other enough.

The offensive line should be a priority, but I don't think they have to sell out to fix what's wrong. Get one quality starting G, get a decent backup for the interior, and we're set. A line with LT-Gilbert, LG-FIRST-ROUND-PICK, C-Pouncey, RG-Foster, RT-Colon is plenty good enough to get it done, but depth has to be improved.

I don't know who they should pick exactly, but a draft that went something like this would feel right to me:

Round 1) OG Cordy Glenn or NT Poe, depending on who's available and the scouting of the FO. My gut feeling is that Glenn is a lock to be a good player, but may not be anything special. But that's fine. Fixing the gaping leak at LG could elevate the productivity of our LT and our C pretty damn significantly, so there's a whole ripple effect that could start with this pick. Poe could be a great big pass-rushing monster from the NT position or he could be another Terrance Cody. The first round looks to have several quality players at G and NT for the Steelers to pick from, so this is a year where the draft class, our needs, and our draft position seem to be aligning quite nicely.

Round 2) OG if not taken in round 1. Otherwise, a pass rusher
(any position so long as this is his chief skill). If we wait until round 2 to take a OG, though, I might prefer they draft another OL in round 3, just to be sure we get some fucking talent up front for once. Not like we can't use the bodies.

Round 3) WR or TE -- I know everyone here will think I'm crazy to suggest a WR, but I think right now Brown is the only really special player until Wallace proves otherwise with some fucking productivity.  Plus, if his contract demands are way out of whack for his productivity, I might prefer the risk of letting him walk and possibly flourish elsewhere to overpaying him.

Round 4) Pass rusher (any position, though ability to play ILB would be nice). NT if there's a good prospect available.

Round 5) OT/OG -- immediate depth guy, developmental prospect eventually.

Round 6) Best special team guy available, including possibly kicker.

Round 7) QB, assuming 2 or more of our backups leave. Otherwise, take your pick: DT/ILB/S/RB
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« Reply #4 on: Jan 18, 2012 at 12:16 »

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« Reply #5 on: Jan 18, 2012 at 13:19 »

I've only started to sift through the draft prospects.  The bitter memory of the deleted thread still stings.

A few thoughts on Manimal's draft stuff.  Poe seems a little too raw for our usual R1 type of pick, and he's 6'5" which loses leverage.  He seems like he'd be better as a 4-3 NT or even a 3-4 DE.  Be fine with upgrading OG in R1.

"Pass rusher" seems a bit vague.  A 5-technique?  Didn't we just draft a couple of those in recent R1s?  OLB?  Don't we have Woodley, Harrison, and Worilds?  So that basically leaves ILB.  And we have Timmons, so you're talking the new Farrior, since Sylvester looks more like a backup.  So I doubt we take TWO pass rushers in the first 4 rounds.

Our OT situation is still shaky.  Starks's deal and ACL, Colon coming off injury, and then you have Gilbert who should improve but may not be a LT.  I'm close to vomiting just thinking about our tackles.  Oh yeah, we have Jon Scott, dandy!  Fuckin' fuckin' FUCK.

S needs to be a higher priority.  Lost to 3:16 Hisself largely because Mundy was the replacement, and who knows what might happen any given season with Pola.  I'm thinking we need a FS/SS hybrid somewhere in the top 2 rounds.
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 18, 2012 at 14:32 »

Dunno if he's a hybrid type, but, like I said before, Mark Barron should be there round about our spot in round 1.
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« Reply #7 on: Jan 18, 2012 at 14:34 »

"Pass rusher" seems a bit vague.  A 5-technique?  Didn't we just draft a couple of those in recent R1s?  OLB?  Don't we have Woodley, Harrison, and Worilds?  So that basically leaves ILB.  And we have Timmons, so you're talking the new Farrior, since Sylvester looks more like a backup.  So I doubt we take TWO pass rushers in the first 4 rounds.

Thanks for the reply -- good points. I'll try to expand briefly as I can, without meaning to be argumentative. I think a team needs pass rushing depth, and we lack it. We're only 3 deep (including starters) at OLB and DE next year: Harrison/Woodley/Worldis & Keisel/Hood/Heyward. One old guy in each trio. Throw in a couple of injuries -- especially at OLB -- and our pass rush disappears. That's what I think we should address. Not in round 1 - but a DE and/or an OLB in rounds 2 through 5 seems appropriate to me.

Position shouldn't matter -- if there are two guys who are a little lighter than the DE you'd typically want on a 3-4 team, but they can rush the passer, and they can contribute by either keeping the top 3 fresh for the 4th quarter or come in themselves on the odd 3rd down -- I think that helps us.

I agree we need another S on this team, and it would be fine with me if they drafted one, but I'd be content with them taking a S number one or two after next year. We can skate by with we have in 2012, I think, at safety.

But we're not competing for a Super Bowl without better production in the trenches in the 4th quarter. In some drafts, you want to take a stab at fixing all your problems. In others, I think it pays to stock up on a couple of core weaknesses. To me, the latter strategy should apply to this one.

To your points about the O-Line, I consider Starks a goner. Without the ACL it would be a different story, though the injury might increase the likelihood we keep him (but reduce his abilities). And you're right, who knows whether Colon can restart his career after two season-ending injuries. I forecast Gilbert as LT because the PG has reported multiple times that the coaching staff is high on Gilbert and foresee him as the eventual LT. Whether that's good or not I'm ready to say...
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« Reply #8 on: Jan 18, 2012 at 14:48 »

Dunno if he's a hybrid type, but, like I said before, Mark Barron should be there round about our spot in round 1.

I jotted down 2 mocks, neither of which I love, and one of them had Barron as our R1.  I think he could def fit that bill.
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« Reply #9 on: Jan 18, 2012 at 15:09 »

Manimal, I get what you're saying, but I think S is more of a pressing need than you do.  One injury to Pola and this defence goes down the shitter.  Pola's 30, Clark is 32.  Pola has the concussion history.  That's a ticking time bomb, IMO.  We need a guy like Barron who can be ready to step in and make an impact.

As for pass rush, I agree that injuries can take that away from us, but I feel that even with the injuries Harrison and Woodley suffered, they still have plenty of mileage left, and Worilds will hopefully improve.  Also, the rookie Carter may be worth watching as depth/situational PR.  I'd consider OLB no sooner than R5.

Same with DE:  Keisel should rebound from the groiner, and we have 2 R1s, I can't see devoting a high pick here either, higher than R1.

R1-4:  NT, OG, S, ILB, OT.  Whoops.  That's 5 needs and 4 slots.  Def don't see us going DE/OLB sooner, but JMO.  Prolly net 2 R7 comps, so R5-7c:  whatever slips from the R1-4 needs, also possibly QB, TE/WR, K, DE, OLB, RB, depth OL for the 4 remaining spots.  Right now, this can't be done without some FAs to putty up the needs, but seeing as we're $25 trillion over the cap, that looks just a tad unlikely.
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« Reply #10 on: Jan 18, 2012 at 16:20 »

I still think we need a ILB with our first pick, that being said I do agree that the first three rounds we need to go Defense right up the middle.

1st- Dont'a Hightower - ILB
2nd - Alameda Ta'amu - NT
3rd - Harrison Smith - SS
4th - Best OT available
5th - Same as above
6th - Blair Walsh - K
7th - Patrick Witt - QB (Yale)

Here is a good site that ranks all the players by positon, size, speed and round

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2012_QB



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« Reply #11 on: Jan 18, 2012 at 16:21 »

With the emergence of Brown would anyone consider trading Wallace, or tendering him
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« Reply #12 on: Jan 18, 2012 at 17:54 »

From the WWL

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Alabama DE/OLB Courtney Upshaw (92)
Upshaw's first step is just average, but he's arguably the best hand-fighter in this group. He shows above-average upper-body strength on film, and his active hands make it difficult for offensive tackles to sustain blocks on him. There's also a lot to like about Upshaw's foot speed. At 6-2 and 271 pounds, he has the lateral quickness to keep offensive tackles off-balance and impressive finishing power as a pass-rusher.

NFL fit: Pittsburgh has more pressing needs than a pass-rusher, but it wouldn't come as a surprise if the Steelers took Upshaw in the first round. Standout OLB James Harrison is 33 years old and on the downside of his career, despite what his production says. Upshaw is a perfect fit for the scheme, and he's capable of pushing 2010 second-round pick Jason Worilds for the starting job when Harrison moves on.

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South Florida G Jeremiah Warren does not have great athletic ability or lateral agility, which causes him to struggle in space, but he showed good balance and plays with his feet under him. Warren has a massive frame (6-2⅞, 336), displayed a strong punch, and shows the ability to get movement and sustain in the run game when he plays with leverage. He also slid is feet well in one-on-one drills and used his long arms well, and Warren could be working his way into the later rounds.

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« Reply #13 on: Jan 19, 2012 at 09:15 »

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« Reply #14 on: Jan 20, 2012 at 10:33 »

R1.  ILB Don’t’a Hightower, Alabama.  6'3", 260#, 4.78 est.
R2.  NT Josh Chapman, Alabama.  6'1", 310#, 5.02 est.
R3.  OT Matt McCants, University of Alabama-Birmingham (UAB).  6’6”, 295#, 5.26 est.
R4.  OLB Adrian Robinson, Temple.  6’1”, 250, 4.73 est.
R5.  RB/FB Terrance Ganaway, Baylor.  5’11”, 240#, 4.62 est.
R6.  WR Derek Moye, Penn State.  6’4”, 210#, 4.54 est.
R7.  QB B.J. Coleman, Tennessee-Chattanooga.  6’3”, 234#.
R7.  SS Winston Guy, Kentucky. 6’1”, 216#, 4.57 est.
R7.  OG Joe Looney, Wake Forest.  6’3”, 320#, 5.02 est.
FA:  NT Hebron Fangupo, BYU; DB Micah Pellerin, Hampton; K Randy Bullock, Texas A&M; some others.
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« Reply #15 on: Jan 23, 2012 at 08:11 »

I still think we need a ILB with our first pick, that being said I do agree that the first three rounds we need to go Defense right up the middle.

1st- Dont'a Hightower - ILB
2nd - Alameda Ta'amu - NT
3rd - Harrison Smith - SS
4th - Best OT available
5th - Same as above
6th - Blair Walsh - K
7th - Patrick Witt - QB (Yale)


I can't see ignoring OL past the first 3 rounds AGAIN. They badly need a LG or OT in the top three (preferably top 2).
While I think we need another ILB, we could survive with a solid R4-R6 talent. We did win a Super Bowl with Larry Foote, so I think we can survive without 4 All Pro caliber LB's.

I'd much rather have a road grader on the Oline/Dline or a ballhawking safety.
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« Reply #16 on: Feb 20, 2012 at 15:20 »

R1.  ILB Don’t’a Hightower, Alabama.  6'3", 260#, 4.78 est.
R2.  NT Josh Chapman, Alabama.  6'1", 310#, 5.02 est.
R3.  OT Matt McCants, University of Alabama-Birmingham (UAB).  6’6”, 295#, 5.26 est.
R4.  OLB Adrian Robinson, Temple.  6’1”, 250, 4.73 est.
R5.  RB/FB Terrance Ganaway, Baylor.  5’11”, 240#, 4.62 est.
R6.  WR Derek Moye, Penn State.  6’4”, 210#, 4.54 est.
R7.  QB B.J. Coleman, Tennessee-Chattanooga.  6’3”, 234#.
R7.  SS Winston Guy, Kentucky. 6’1”, 216#, 4.57 est.
R7.  OG Joe Looney, Wake Forest.  6’3”, 320#, 5.02 est.
FA:  NT Hebron Fangupo, BYU; DB Micah Pellerin, Hampton; K Randy Bullock, Texas A&M; some others.

I'm not high on Hightower, or any other ILB in the first round not named Kuechly.

Here are a few prospects I'm really high on (no particular order) along the O-line:

OT:
Nate Potter - Boise St
Matt Reynolds - BYU (converted to OG)
James Brown - Troy (might be the steal of the OT class)
Joe Long - Wayne State

OG/OC:
Kevin Zietler - Wisconsin
Ryan Miller - Colorado
Amini Silatolu - Mid Western State
Brandon Brooks - Miami (OH)
David Molk - Michigan
Philip Blake - Baylor


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« Reply #17 on: Feb 27, 2012 at 12:29 »

From the sound of it, Poe moving up draft board almost as quickly as his 40 time.

Doubt he'll be there at 1.24.

44 reps and 4.87 (!) 40.  You fuckin' serious??

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« Reply #18 on: Feb 27, 2012 at 12:35 »

One of the other highly rated NTs (Fletcher Cox) impressing as well.

These 300#+ guys running sub 5.0 times is redonkulous.
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« Reply #19 on: Feb 28, 2012 at 13:12 »

Also, from the articles I've read, Burfict is absolutely tanking at the combine, on and especially off the turf.
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« Reply #20 on: Feb 28, 2012 at 13:35 »

If Hightower and Poe are both on the board, who do you take?  I guess it depends on what you'd expect to be available later.  If they're evaluated to be equal values then I'm thinking you have to pick the NT.  Otherwise, take the BAA of the two.

The AFCN blogger says Poe won't be there.
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« Reply #21 on: Feb 28, 2012 at 15:39 »

Honestly, not sure.

I'd probably err on the conservative side and go with the more polished football player in Hightower; especially considering the amount of "quality" DTs in the draft.  That's not a no brainer, tho.  It's easy to get all 89% for a guy that wins the combine at his position, but it does also make you wonder why he wasn't considered an elite prospect coming in.

To be completely honest, after watching his combine drills and seeing a few videos of him in action, despite his monstruous size, he struck me as more of a 4-3 DT than a 3-4 DT.  Can't really say exactly why.  Maybe it's just that he looked so...athletic for a guy his size.  He was as fast and fluid as guys that weighed 50-70 pounds less.  I guess I've still got it in my head that a 3-4 DT is meant to be a clogging boulder (kinda like Ta'amu) in the middle, but players are just evolving so quickly.  I mean, there were several DTs that broke the 5.0 barrier.  That was unheard of several years ago.  Nowadays, not so much.  Bigger.  Stronger.  Faster.  *6 Million Dollar Man theme*

I dunno.  I'm just starting to pay a little attention to this stuff.  Haven't even looked at other positions yet.
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« Reply #22 on: Feb 28, 2012 at 15:48 »

Also, from the articles I've read, Burfict is absolutely tanking at the combine, on and especially off the turf.

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« Reply #23 on: Feb 28, 2012 at 15:48 »

Oh, and it would not surprise me if Poe went top 15 now, as in, R1 + R2 to get him ~1.14?
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« Reply #24 on: Feb 29, 2012 at 10:14 »

Oh, and it would not surprise me if Poe went top 15 now, as in, R1 + R2 to get him ~1.14?

Really?  You'd give up a R1 and R2 to draft him?

Yeah, the dude's a physical freak and all, but I'm very leery of doing that for a workout warrior.  I really like what I see from him, but damn, they have so many holes to fill.  Read something last night about him going top 10, possibly to the Panthers.
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« Reply #25 on: Feb 29, 2012 at 10:57 »

Oh, and it would not surprise me if Poe went top 15 now, as in, R1 + R2 to get him ~1.14?

Really?  You'd give up a R1 and R2 to draft him?

Yeah, the dude's a physical freak and all, but I'm very leery of doing that for a workout warrior.  I really like what I see from him, but damn, they have so many holes to fill.  Read something last night about him going top 10, possibly to the Panthers.

No, no way I give up all that, and in fact I'm re-thinking how much of a surge he gets off Indy.  We have too many holes to fill, so if Poe is gone, so be it.  Great upside, but he doesn't fit the Steelers R1 paradigm except in age/malleability:  they don't like guys without more proven on tape.  Still, if he's there at 1.24, I say go.  Poe and, say, ILB Wagner or one of the OG/OT types would be a nice start to things.
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« Reply #26 on: Feb 29, 2012 at 12:59 »

Scouts Inc has Poe listed at the 5th DT so hopefully there's a chance he'll still be there.
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