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« on: Jan 15, 2012 at 17:06 »

OK we have a glaring need at LB, NT and OT.


Here are a few prospects I would love to see in the black and gold

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« Reply #1 on: Jan 17, 2012 at 11:44 »

Haven't started thinking about the draft yet.

Only thing I can say at this point is they need to improve up the middle (NT, ILB and S) on defense and bolster the OL (obv).  Wildcards would be finding a RB gem and maybe one of dem freakish TEs.  Miller is solid, but he's not that kinda player.
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« Reply #2 on: Jan 17, 2012 at 13:39 »

Haven't started thinking about the draft yet.

Only thing I can say at this point is they need to improve up the middle (NT, ILB and S) on defense and bolster the OL (obv).  Wildcards would be finding a RB gem and maybe one of dem freakish TEs.  Miller is solid, but he's not that kinda player.

'Bout right.  Be interesting to see if Baron Batch looks as good in camp as he did last year, might be the end for MeMo.  Still, always backs there late to consider.  Arian Foster, UDFA FFS.  Been thinking a lot about the freak TE as the missing "tall receiver" Ben pines for, reportedly.  Unless Limas Sweed can make a comeback!
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 18, 2012 at 12:00 »

NFL games are now about two things: rushing the other guys' passer, and protecting your own. That's the end of the essential "to-do" list for any gameplan in any game, and I exaggerate only slightly I think.

The games we lost, we lost because our pass protection shat the bed at the critical moment and we couldn't put pressure on the other guy's passer, especially when it counted. The second Ravens' game is a case in point - we put little pressure on Whacko on that last drive. The second half of the year, without Woodley, the pass rush just couldn't get it done. We would have lost the New England game if Woodley had gotten hurt in the first quarter. Flip side, our two-minute drills have kind of sucked lately, and pass blocking breakdowns have been a big part of that.

But point is, we need more pass rushers. We can't go into next year once again facing the prospect that, if one of our two OLBs is out, the pass rush is crippled. Doesn't mean we have to pick one in the first round -- but if the FO rolled the dice on 2 or 3 guys they can envision being pass rush specialists between rounds 2 and 5, I wouldn't mind a bit.

We also need another middle-area zone receiver, either a wideout with some bulk or another TE. Losing Ward's role in the offense hurt us a lot, I think, and Brown-Wallace-Sanders don't complement each other enough.

The offensive line should be a priority, but I don't think they have to sell out to fix what's wrong. Get one quality starting G, get a decent backup for the interior, and we're set. A line with LT-Gilbert, LG-FIRST-ROUND-PICK, C-Pouncey, RG-Foster, RT-Colon is plenty good enough to get it done, but depth has to be improved.

I don't know who they should pick exactly, but a draft that went something like this would feel right to me:

Round 1) OG Cordy Glenn or NT Poe, depending on who's available and the scouting of the FO. My gut feeling is that Glenn is a lock to be a good player, but may not be anything special. But that's fine. Fixing the gaping leak at LG could elevate the productivity of our LT and our C pretty damn significantly, so there's a whole ripple effect that could start with this pick. Poe could be a great big pass-rushing monster from the NT position or he could be another Terrance Cody. The first round looks to have several quality players at G and NT for the Steelers to pick from, so this is a year where the draft class, our needs, and our draft position seem to be aligning quite nicely.

Round 2) OG if not taken in round 1. Otherwise, a pass rusher
(any position so long as this is his chief skill). If we wait until round 2 to take a OG, though, I might prefer they draft another OL in round 3, just to be sure we get some fucking talent up front for once. Not like we can't use the bodies.

Round 3) WR or TE -- I know everyone here will think I'm crazy to suggest a WR, but I think right now Brown is the only really special player until Wallace proves otherwise with some fucking productivity.  Plus, if his contract demands are way out of whack for his productivity, I might prefer the risk of letting him walk and possibly flourish elsewhere to overpaying him.

Round 4) Pass rusher (any position, though ability to play ILB would be nice). NT if there's a good prospect available.

Round 5) OT/OG -- immediate depth guy, developmental prospect eventually.

Round 6) Best special team guy available, including possibly kicker.

Round 7) QB, assuming 2 or more of our backups leave. Otherwise, take your pick: DT/ILB/S/RB
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« Reply #4 on: Jan 18, 2012 at 12:16 »

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Round 6) Best special team guy available, including possibly kicker.

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« Reply #5 on: Jan 18, 2012 at 13:19 »

I've only started to sift through the draft prospects.  The bitter memory of the deleted thread still stings.

A few thoughts on Manimal's draft stuff.  Poe seems a little too raw for our usual R1 type of pick, and he's 6'5" which loses leverage.  He seems like he'd be better as a 4-3 NT or even a 3-4 DE.  Be fine with upgrading OG in R1.

"Pass rusher" seems a bit vague.  A 5-technique?  Didn't we just draft a couple of those in recent R1s?  OLB?  Don't we have Woodley, Harrison, and Worilds?  So that basically leaves ILB.  And we have Timmons, so you're talking the new Farrior, since Sylvester looks more like a backup.  So I doubt we take TWO pass rushers in the first 4 rounds.

Our OT situation is still shaky.  Starks's deal and ACL, Colon coming off injury, and then you have Gilbert who should improve but may not be a LT.  I'm close to vomiting just thinking about our tackles.  Oh yeah, we have Jon Scott, dandy!  Fuckin' fuckin' FUCK.

S needs to be a higher priority.  Lost to 3:16 Hisself largely because Mundy was the replacement, and who knows what might happen any given season with Pola.  I'm thinking we need a FS/SS hybrid somewhere in the top 2 rounds.
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 18, 2012 at 14:32 »

Dunno if he's a hybrid type, but, like I said before, Mark Barron should be there round about our spot in round 1.
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« Reply #7 on: Jan 18, 2012 at 14:34 »

"Pass rusher" seems a bit vague.  A 5-technique?  Didn't we just draft a couple of those in recent R1s?  OLB?  Don't we have Woodley, Harrison, and Worilds?  So that basically leaves ILB.  And we have Timmons, so you're talking the new Farrior, since Sylvester looks more like a backup.  So I doubt we take TWO pass rushers in the first 4 rounds.

Thanks for the reply -- good points. I'll try to expand briefly as I can, without meaning to be argumentative. I think a team needs pass rushing depth, and we lack it. We're only 3 deep (including starters) at OLB and DE next year: Harrison/Woodley/Worldis & Keisel/Hood/Heyward. One old guy in each trio. Throw in a couple of injuries -- especially at OLB -- and our pass rush disappears. That's what I think we should address. Not in round 1 - but a DE and/or an OLB in rounds 2 through 5 seems appropriate to me.

Position shouldn't matter -- if there are two guys who are a little lighter than the DE you'd typically want on a 3-4 team, but they can rush the passer, and they can contribute by either keeping the top 3 fresh for the 4th quarter or come in themselves on the odd 3rd down -- I think that helps us.

I agree we need another S on this team, and it would be fine with me if they drafted one, but I'd be content with them taking a S number one or two after next year. We can skate by with we have in 2012, I think, at safety.

But we're not competing for a Super Bowl without better production in the trenches in the 4th quarter. In some drafts, you want to take a stab at fixing all your problems. In others, I think it pays to stock up on a couple of core weaknesses. To me, the latter strategy should apply to this one.

To your points about the O-Line, I consider Starks a goner. Without the ACL it would be a different story, though the injury might increase the likelihood we keep him (but reduce his abilities). And you're right, who knows whether Colon can restart his career after two season-ending injuries. I forecast Gilbert as LT because the PG has reported multiple times that the coaching staff is high on Gilbert and foresee him as the eventual LT. Whether that's good or not I'm ready to say...
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« Reply #8 on: Jan 18, 2012 at 14:48 »

Dunno if he's a hybrid type, but, like I said before, Mark Barron should be there round about our spot in round 1.

I jotted down 2 mocks, neither of which I love, and one of them had Barron as our R1.  I think he could def fit that bill.
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« Reply #9 on: Jan 18, 2012 at 15:09 »

Manimal, I get what you're saying, but I think S is more of a pressing need than you do.  One injury to Pola and this defence goes down the shitter.  Pola's 30, Clark is 32.  Pola has the concussion history.  That's a ticking time bomb, IMO.  We need a guy like Barron who can be ready to step in and make an impact.

As for pass rush, I agree that injuries can take that away from us, but I feel that even with the injuries Harrison and Woodley suffered, they still have plenty of mileage left, and Worilds will hopefully improve.  Also, the rookie Carter may be worth watching as depth/situational PR.  I'd consider OLB no sooner than R5.

Same with DE:  Keisel should rebound from the groiner, and we have 2 R1s, I can't see devoting a high pick here either, higher than R1.

R1-4:  NT, OG, S, ILB, OT.  Whoops.  That's 5 needs and 4 slots.  Def don't see us going DE/OLB sooner, but JMO.  Prolly net 2 R7 comps, so R5-7c:  whatever slips from the R1-4 needs, also possibly QB, TE/WR, K, DE, OLB, RB, depth OL for the 4 remaining spots.  Right now, this can't be done without some FAs to putty up the needs, but seeing as we're $25 trillion over the cap, that looks just a tad unlikely.
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